School OCI Data Forum

[romothesavior]

The top 25 legal markets based on an old martindale search from a TLS post I found:

This is very helpful and interesting. Hopefully St. Louis is willing to make it 6,158 just for me.

[Anonymous User]

My firm (V100, NYC) cut way back from '08, and again from '09 for this summer. The hiring partner told me he plans to hire even fewer people next summer (single digits.)

[como]

My firm (V100, NYC) cut way back from '08, and again from '09 for this summer. The hiring partner told me he plans to hire even fewer people next summer (single digits.)

Gulp.

[KMaine]

My firm (V100, NYC) cut way back from '08, and again from '09 for this summer. The hiring partner told me he plans to hire even fewer people next summer (single digits.)

Gulp.

So you decided to cut your list of interviews from your post, Como?

[como]

My firm (V100, NYC) cut way back from '08, and again from '09 for this summer. The hiring partner told me he plans to hire even fewer people next summer (single digits.)

Gulp.

So you decided to cut your list of interviews from your post, Como?

Haha.. thought it was probably for the best.

[KMaine]

My firm (V100, NYC) cut way back from '08, and again from '09 for this summer. The hiring partner told me he plans to hire even fewer people next summer (single digits.)

Gulp.

So you decided to cut your list of interviews from your post, Como?

Haha.. thought it was probably for the best.

Good luck, though. Will probably see you there. I will be the stressed-out old guy.

[Anonymous User]

So far, if I remember correctly, we have the following for hard stats:

Yale - 100% SA placement*
Harvard - 100% SA placement*
Stanford - 100% SA placement*
Columbia - 69% SA placement
NYU - 69% SA placement
Chicago - 69% SA placement
Berkeley - 40% SA placement
Virginia - XX% SA placement
Penn - XX% SA placement
Michigan - 50% SA placement
Northwestern - XX% SA placement
Duke - XX% SA placement
Cornell - 43% SA placement
Georgetown - XX% SA placement

*Potential placement.

I propose we fill in the stats for the rest of the T14 with actual hard data. Would people from the remaining schools do what they can to get some good information? This could be really helpful for future 0Ls deciding between schools.

The actual list of students and employers for summer 2010 is out; this is hard data:

Duke - 62-65% SA placement, others have confirmed on multiple TLS threads.

[270910]

The actual list of students and employers for summer 2010 is out; this is hard data:

Duke - 62-65% SA placement, others have confirmed on multiple TLS threads.

I believe you're looking at the class of 2009 at graduation, not the class of 2011 at summer.

[Anonymous User]

I believe you're looking at the class of 2009 at graduation, not the class of 2011 at summer.

No, it's the actual Class of 2011 SA placement, and others have confirmed this.

[270910]

I believe you're looking at the class of 2009 at graduation, not the class of 2011 at summer.

No, it's the actual Class of 2011 SA placement, and others have confirmed this.

I have never seen it posted or discussed on TLS or XO, and I doubt I've missed a thread on employment

[Core]

Any data for Penn's summer 2010 SA placement?

[Anonymous User]

The actual list and breakdown was posted by 2L Duke Law students, in the Duke Class of 2013 thread for one.

[270910]

The actual list and breakdown was posted by 2L Duke Law students, in the Duke Class of 2013 thread for one.

I was correct.

Here is the post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p3204456

The person is confused and misquoting. I'm looking at the Graduating Class of 2009 Duke placement, and it matches that data exactly. Somebody just got confused reading between threads, it happens. It's hard to keep track of the years on these things. Duke has not, to my knowledge, released any information about how many current summer associates it has placed.

[Anonymous User]

The actual list and breakdown was posted by 2L Duke Law students, in the Duke Class of 2013 thread for one.

I was correct.

Here is the post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p3204456

The person is confused and misquoting. I'm looking at the Graduating Class of 2009 Duke placement, and it matches that data exactly. Somebody just got confused reading between threads, it happens. It's hard to keep track of the years on these things. Duke has not, to my knowledge, released any information about how many current summer associates it has placed.

I am a different poster than the person above, and there is a list, it exists, it's in front of me, and the data is correct. 145 out of 224 students in Duke c/o 2011 were/are at a firm SA job this very summer. That's 64.7%. Are all of those NYC Vault firms? No. But that wasn't the question asked.

For informations sake, and without checking the V100 religiously, I count 77/224 V100.

Would you like to argue some more, or are you going to keep scolding people like children?

[270910]

The actual list and breakdown was posted by 2L Duke Law students, in the Duke Class of 2013 thread for one.

I was correct.

Here is the post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p3204456

The person is confused and misquoting. I'm looking at the Graduating Class of 2009 Duke placement, and it matches that data exactly. Somebody just got confused reading between threads, it happens. It's hard to keep track of the years on these things. Duke has not, to my knowledge, released any information about how many current summer associates it has placed.

I am a different poster than the person above, and there is a list, it exists, it's in front of me, and the data is correct. 145 out of 224 students in Duke c/o 2011 were/are at a firm SA job this very summer. That's 64.7%. Are all of those NYC Vault firms? No. But that wasn't the question asked.

For informations sake, and without checking the V100 religiously, I count 77/224 V100.

Would you like to argue some more, or are you going to keep scolding people like children?

Well we're definitely looking at the same list. It's possible the person who I received it from incorrectly told me it was at graduation, and that it is in fact the class of 2011 / summer 2010 list.

*shrug*

[miamiman]

if true, those duke #s are solid for ite.

[SuichiKurama]

if true, those duke #s are solid for ite.

Not only that, but if Duke is pulling this off people are really overdoing the whole "everyone but HYS is screwed" rants.

[Anonymous User]

The only schools that have released "official" data are Columbia, NYU, and Cornell.

[Anonymous User]

I went through the Duke list one more time and realized that the 64.7% included split summers. There weren't all that many split firm summers; most if splitting were firm and government. If you look at just # of students with at least one firm SA, that means 135/224, or 60.3%.

There are also by my count 30 additional unique students in government, or 13.3%

[Anonymous User]

So far, if I remember correctly, we have the following for hard stats:

Yale - 100% SA placement*
Harvard - 100% SA placement*
Stanford - 100% SA placement*
Columbia - 69% SA placement
NYU - 69% SA placement
Chicago - 69% SA placement
Berkeley - 40% SA placement
Virginia - XX% SA placement
Penn - XX% SA placement
Michigan - 50% SA placement
Northwestern - XX% SA placement
Duke - XX% SA placement
Cornell - 43% SA placement
Georgetown - XX% SA placement

*Potential placement.

I propose we fill in the stats for the rest of the T14 with actual hard data. Would people from the remaining schools do what they can to get some good information? This could be really helpful for future 0Ls deciding between schools.

The actual list of students and employers for summer 2010 is out; this is hard data:

Duke - 62-65% SA placement, others have confirmed on multiple TLS threads.

Berkeley - 40% SA placement; Michigan - 50% SA placement; Cornell - 43% SA placement

Duke - 60.3% SA placement

if true, those duke #s are solid for ite.

this.

[bwv812]

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[Core]

So far, if I remember correctly, we have the following for hard stats:

Yale - 100% SA placement*
Harvard - 100% SA placement*
Stanford - 100% SA placement*
Columbia - 69% SA placement
NYU - 69% SA placement
Chicago - 69% SA placement
Berkeley - 40% SA placement
Virginia - XX% SA placement
Penn - XX% SA placement
Michigan - 50% SA placement
Northwestern - XX% SA placement
Duke - XX% SA placement
Cornell - 43% SA placement
Georgetown - XX% SA placement

*Potential placement.

I propose we fill in the stats for the rest of the T14 with actual hard data. Would people from the remaining schools do what they can to get some good information? This could be really helpful for future 0Ls deciding between schools.

The actual list of students and employers for summer 2010 is out; this is hard data:

Duke - 62-65% SA placement, others have confirmed on multiple TLS threads.

Berkeley - 40% SA placement; Michigan - 50% SA placement; Cornell - 43% SA placement

Duke - 60.3% SA placement

if true, those duke #s are solid for ite.

this.

Sorry if this is explained on an earlier page, but where is this 50% for Michigan coming from? It seems about right, but I read, in a number of threads on TLS and XOXO, that Michigan's 2010 SA placement was about 36-40%.
Wonder where Uva and Penn stand.

[Anonymous User]

XOXO posted Penn was around 35%, but I do not believe any of the MVPB have released any official publications regarding last year's OCI.

[SuichiKurama]

if true, those duke #s are solid for ite.

Yeah, but what qualifies as SA for Duke's numbers? Hourly rates at small firms?


Weren't virtually all of Cornell's 43% placement V100? Even if not, it makes sense to compare the V100 SA placement rate, unless we know how each school is classifying/counting non-V100 private practice placements.

edit: it looks like all but 13 of Cornell's published SAs were in V100, for ~37% of the class. Compare to Duke's 39% in V100. The discrepancy in overall SA placement is what makes me wonder what Duke is doing and where these non-V100 students are working.

People aren't going to like this but one of the reaons why Duke is probably pulling this off is because their grads aim for markets in the South at a higher rate than a school like Penn. Southern markets view Duke as essentially a top 5 school (along with HY and UVA, with Stanford being in a weird spot) and they treat Duke students accordingly. A lot of these firms simply won't pop up in the V100 but they will pay their associates six figure salaries. Now a lot of people will bash Duke for putting people in these types of firms but the bottom line is that these firms are paying six figures to their hires (and in cities with low COL to boot). I've always thought it was unfair that Duke was grouped with Cornell, it essentially out places Cornell in almost every meaningful way.

[Anonymous User]

Any word on U Chicago?

Here's the rundown I did. I tried to do it fast, so there may be a couple miscounts, but this should be close to accurate. I got less than iphone4 did, but I made sure not to double-count people who were splitting between two firms, so that's probably why there's a difference:

Law-firm placements: 137 (69%)*

Vault breakdown:

V5 - 6 (3%)
V10 - 19 (10%)
V20 - 48 (24%)
V50 - 95 (48%)
V100 - 107 (54%)

Non-Vault firm placements - 30 (15%)

*Percentages are based on the assumption of a class size of 200 (though the class size is probably a tad bigger than that because of transfers).

Chicago's SA firm placements included non-Vault firm placements