Penn Law PEP Forum

[Anonymous User]

The people who are saying no one stikes out from Penn are either (1) class of 2023 or earlier, or (2) haven't actually asked around. Class of '24 strikeouts seemed to be all over the map in terms of GPA, background, other factors. Lots of people made poor choices (bidding, pre-OCI) relying on OCS advice. You should do this PEP program and then mass apply by the beginning of July.

We aren't allowed to mass apply. Our only pre-OCI options are PEP and diversity scholarships.

[Anonymous User]

The people who are saying no one stikes out from Penn are either (1) class of 2023 or earlier, or (2) haven't actually asked around. Class of '24 strikeouts seemed to be all over the map in terms of GPA, background, other factors. Lots of people made poor choices (bidding, pre-OCI) relying on OCS advice. You should do this PEP program and then mass apply by the beginning of July.

We aren't allowed to mass apply. Our only pre-OCI options are PEP and diversity scholarships.

Everyone suggesting this knows that, and we are suggesting you ignore these rules! No firm is going to call up Penn and tattle on you. Plus, as I understand, the stated punishment is just not doing the official OCI. Trust me, even if a firm calls up Suzanne Marsh and says AnonymousUser123 broke your rules, you are way better off applying now and not participating in official OCI. Last year OCS told students not to mass apply before OCI too, and as a result way more than the usual number of people struck out completely or went to firms they're unhappy with. Up to you if that risk is worth compliance with unenforceable OCS rules.

[Anonymous User]

I noticed that OCS moved all of the OCI information from their website to a Canvas page, the participating employers spreadsheet isn't even online anymore, and I have to wonder if they didn't want upper-level students to have access to the details of this year's recruiting because morris fellows/club mentors/upper-level friends would see them and advise rising 2Ls with decent GPAs to skip out on official recruiting.

[Anonymous User]

The people who are saying no one stikes out from Penn are either (1) class of 2023 or earlier, or (2) haven't actually asked around. Class of '24 strikeouts seemed to be all over the map in terms of GPA, background, other factors. Lots of people made poor choices (bidding, pre-OCI) relying on OCS advice. You should do this PEP program and then mass apply by the beginning of July.

We aren't allowed to mass apply. Our only pre-OCI options are PEP and diversity scholarships.

Everyone suggesting this knows that, and we are suggesting you ignore these rules! No firm is going to call up Penn and tattle on you. Plus, as I understand, the stated punishment is just not doing the official OCI. Trust me, even if a firm calls up Suzanne Marsh and says AnonymousUser123 broke your rules, you are way better off applying now and not participating in official OCI. Last year OCS told students not to mass apply before OCI too, and as a result way more than the usual number of people struck out completely or went to firms they're unhappy with. Up to you if that risk is worth compliance with unenforceable OCS rules.

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[Anonymous User]

If a student violates the above policy, they may forfeit the opportunity to participate in the Penn Early Program and/or the Summer OCI program. If an employer violates the above policy, they may forfeit the opportunity to participate in some or all on-campus activities and recruiting programs.

In 2022, Latham NYC had something like 10-20 screener slots for the entire school. People bid them no. 1 and still didn't get screeners because the firm had shifted so heavily to pre-OCI. Would they really care if Penn kicked them out of official OCI? Evidently, no. Plus, Penn would NEVER do that for a major, desirable firm. It runs counter to their interests and it would lead to even more students finding jobs outside the official OCI process.

[Anonymous User]

The people who are saying no one stikes out from Penn are either (1) class of 2023 or earlier, or (2) haven't actually asked around. Class of '24 strikeouts seemed to be all over the map in terms of GPA, background, other factors. Lots of people made poor choices (bidding, pre-OCI) relying on OCS advice. You should do this PEP program and then mass apply by the beginning of July.

We aren't allowed to mass apply. Our only pre-OCI options are PEP and diversity scholarships.

Everyone suggesting this knows that, and we are suggesting you ignore these rules! No firm is going to call up Penn and tattle on you. Plus, as I understand, the stated punishment is just not doing the official OCI. Trust me, even if a firm calls up Suzanne Marsh and says AnonymousUser123 broke your rules, you are way better off applying now and not participating in official OCI. Last year OCS told students not to mass apply before OCI too, and as a result way more than the usual number of people struck out completely or went to firms they're unhappy with. Up to you if that risk is worth compliance with unenforceable OCS rules.

Firms get banned from OCI for breaking the rules.

[Anonymous User]

Hey, folx, can we keep this thread focused on PEP movement and bitch about the failures of Penn OCS elsewhere? It's not conducive to gathering PEP data points.

[Anonymous User]

Ropes, STB, Quinn, Milbank, WLRK, and Sidley callbacks

[Anonymous User]

If you read this thread, don’t get offers you want through PEP, and then strike out completely or with firms you like because you want to follow the OCS plan, then you deserve your outcome.

[Anonymous User]

The people who are saying no one stikes out from Penn are either (1) class of 2023 or earlier, or (2) haven't actually asked around. Class of '24 strikeouts seemed to be all over the map in terms of GPA, background, other factors. Lots of people made poor choices (bidding, pre-OCI) relying on OCS advice. You should do this PEP program and then mass apply by the beginning of July.

We aren't allowed to mass apply. Our only pre-OCI options are PEP and diversity scholarships.

Everyone suggesting this knows that, and we are suggesting you ignore these rules! No firm is going to call up Penn and tattle on you. Plus, as I understand, the stated punishment is just not doing the official OCI. Trust me, even if a firm calls up Suzanne Marsh and says AnonymousUser123 broke your rules, you are way better off applying now and not participating in official OCI. Last year OCS told students not to mass apply before OCI too, and as a result way more than the usual number of people struck out completely or went to firms they're unhappy with. Up to you if that risk is worth compliance with unenforceable OCS rules.

Firms get banned from OCI for breaking the rules.

That’s an empty threat.

[Anonymous User]

The people who are saying no one stikes out from Penn are either (1) class of 2023 or earlier, or (2) haven't actually asked around. Class of '24 strikeouts seemed to be all over the map in terms of GPA, background, other factors. Lots of people made poor choices (bidding, pre-OCI) relying on OCS advice. You should do this PEP program and then mass apply by the beginning of July.

Seems like the class of 2024 seriously lacked common sense. I understand the market wasn’t as hot and that the class was way larger than normal but it’s so obvious that you shouldn’t listen to anything OCS says. They are idiotic and unprofessional bureaucrats. Their “rules” are irrelevant and not enforceable. You also can pick up interviews outside of the OCI bid process even during OCI. I just informally emailed like 5 firms during OCI, told them I bid them and didn’t get an interview but still would like to interview, and I think 3 still gave me one and I got an offer from one of those firms. Guess what, most of the firms don’t give a crap about OCS’s rules either.

The school should also give real GPAs so people don’t screw themselves on bids.

[Anonymous User]

The people who are saying no one stikes out from Penn are either (1) class of 2023 or earlier, or (2) haven't actually asked around. Class of '24 strikeouts seemed to be all over the map in terms of GPA, background, other factors. Lots of people made poor choices (bidding, pre-OCI) relying on OCS advice. You should do this PEP program and then mass apply by the beginning of July.

Seems like the class of 2024 seriously lacked common sense. I understand the market wasn’t as hot and that the class was way larger than normal but it’s so obvious that you shouldn’t listen to anything OCS says. They are idiotic and unprofessional bureaucrats. Their “rules” are irrelevant and not enforceable. You also can pick up interviews outside of the OCI bid process even during OCI. I just informally emailed like 5 firms during OCI, told them I bid them and didn’t get an interview but still would like to interview, and I think 3 still gave me one and I got an offer from one of those firms. Guess what, most of the firms don’t give a crap about OCS’s rules either.

The school should also give real GPAs so people don’t screw themselves on bids.

“You also can pick up interviews outside of the OCI bid process even during OCI. I just informally emailed like 5 firms during OCI, told them I bid them and didn’t get an interview but still would like to interview, and I think 3 still gave me one and I got an offer from one of those firms.”

IME firms stopped doing that last summer, perhaps because they had robust pre-OCI processes or because they had already filled a lot of their spots.

[Anonymous User]

Ropes, STB, Quinn, Milbank, WLRK, and Sidley callbacks

All NYC? Screeners last week?

[Anonymous User]

The people who are saying no one stikes out from Penn are either (1) class of 2023 or earlier, or (2) haven't actually asked around. Class of '24 strikeouts seemed to be all over the map in terms of GPA, background, other factors. Lots of people made poor choices (bidding, pre-OCI) relying on OCS advice. You should do this PEP program and then mass apply by the beginning of July.

We aren't allowed to mass apply. Our only pre-OCI options are PEP and diversity scholarships.

Everyone suggesting this knows that, and we are suggesting you ignore these rules! No firm is going to call up Penn and tattle on you. Plus, as I understand, the stated punishment is just not doing the official OCI. Trust me, even if a firm calls up Suzanne Marsh and says AnonymousUser123 broke your rules, you are way better off applying now and not participating in official OCI. Last year OCS told students not to mass apply before OCI too, and as a result way more than the usual number of people struck out completely or went to firms they're unhappy with. Up to you if that risk is worth compliance with unenforceable OCS rules.

Firms get banned from OCI for breaking the rules.

That’s an empty threat.

Firms have flat out told me to PEP them to get the callback they already decided to give me because otherwise they wouldn't touch me until OCI, so clearly a few firms at least care. It can be an empty threat, sure, but if firms are deciding to play by the rules, we can't do jack squat.

[Anonymous User]

The people who are saying no one stikes out from Penn are either (1) class of 2023 or earlier, or (2) haven't actually asked around. Class of '24 strikeouts seemed to be all over the map in terms of GPA, background, other factors. Lots of people made poor choices (bidding, pre-OCI) relying on OCS advice. You should do this PEP program and then mass apply by the beginning of July.

Seems like the class of 2024 seriously lacked common sense. I understand the market wasn’t as hot and that the class was way larger than normal but it’s so obvious that you shouldn’t listen to anything OCS says. They are idiotic and unprofessional bureaucrats. Their “rules” are irrelevant and not enforceable. You also can pick up interviews outside of the OCI bid process even during OCI. I just informally emailed like 5 firms during OCI, told them I bid them and didn’t get an interview but still would like to interview, and I think 3 still gave me one and I got an offer from one of those firms. Guess what, most of the firms don’t give a crap about OCS’s rules either.

The school should also give real GPAs so people don’t screw themselves on bids.

This was much less of a thing in summer 2022.

[Anonymous User]

Is Quinn doing straight to callback and not screeners for PEP?

[Anonymous User]

Anyone get interview invites for Davis Polk or Gibson Dunn?

[Anonymous User]

Ropes, STB, Quinn, Milbank, WLRK, and Sidley callbacks

Nice work. Would not even take the Ropes CB in your shoes. Rest are strong options.

[Anonymous User]

Ropes, STB, Quinn, Milbank, WLRK, and Sidley callbacks

Which cities/when did the screener invites go out (or were they all straight to CB?

[Anonymous User]

To summarize/get back on track:

SCREENERS OUT

NYC
Cravath
Jones Day
Mayer Brown
Milbank
Skadden
Wachtell
Weil
Winston Strawn

DC
Covington
Freshfields
Linklaters
Jones Day
McDermott
Paul, Weiss
White & Case

CALLBACKS OUT

NYC
Debevoise
DPW
Mayer Brown
Milbank
Paul, Weiss
Quinn
S&C
Sidley
Skadden
STB
Wachtell

DC
Gibson Dunn
Paul, Weiss
Sidley

Boston
Ropes

OFFERS OUT
Paul, Weiss NYC

[Anonymous User]

Paul Weiss NYC callback

[Anonymous User]

If a firm does screeners, should we anticipate all callbacks going out at roughly the same time?

[Anonymous User]

DPW CBs out

[Anonymous User]

DPW callbacks

[Anonymous User]

Davis Polk NYC callbacks out today