K&E (Chi) v. NY V5 - Litigation Forum

[MrTooToo]

I have totally derailed your thread with my comment about Chicago, OP. I apologize.

I would say you should visit both cities/offices and see which you prefer. From a work standpoint, I don’t think you can go wrong either way, and yes, lateraling is of course an option.

As you can see, people on both sides have strong feelings about the city. You’ll just have to make your own.

hahaha I think this can be said for every TLS thread ever. At this point it's a feature not a bug.

[Anonymous User]

Seems like you enjoy both cities (location agnostic). The opportunities themselves are both great. So just take the one where you'll make more money (K&E Chi). Not sure how this thread is missing the main obvious difference b/w Chi and NY if you like both places.

[Anonymous User]

So many weird takes here it's almost comical. Yes, people with excel and PowerPoint jobs are professionals. Yes, crime is up in all major cities, some more than others. If you're worried about crime in Chicago, move to the suburbs and take the Metra. Your commute will still be shorter than living in Brooklyn.

[Anonymous User]

To try to bring this back on topic, I'd suggest looking at litigators in the two offices you're interested in and find representative cases. The work likely isn't the same. Do you want antitrust, merger litigation, bankruptcy litigation, toxic torts, pharma...? I know it's hard to figure out preferences, but that would be one source of distinction.

Also, K&E chi will be pretty free-market. Not sure about your other option. At K&E, you'll have some ability to accept/reject cases, which will impact both experience and quality of life. That may be less true elsewhere. On the other hand, some people prefer to just be assigned to cases and not have to go through the process of finding where the good work is and learning who to avoid, etc.

[Anonymous User]

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[Res Ipsa Loquitter]

So many weird takes here it's almost comical. Yes, people with excel and PowerPoint jobs are professionals. Yes, crime is up in all major cities, some more than others. If you're worried about crime in Chicago, move to the suburbs and take the Metra. Your commute will still be shorter than living in Brooklyn.

Thinking every office worker is a “professional” may seem obvious to a Chicagoan, but it’s not obvious everywhere.

OP should work in Chicago for that $$$ and because he has no preference for NYC that would be worth losing $$$ over. There will be relatively fewer professionals (meaning biglaw, high finance, highly paid tech, etc.) but making more $$$ than your neighbors isn’t a bad thing at all.

[Anonymous User]

Different people have different tolerances towards crime, and also different perceptions of the level of crime. Chicago’s exceptional political symbolism (leading to tons of news attention) and extreme segregation (meaning that many North Siders frankly feel uncomfortable around black people) make it especially prone to differences in the latter. If you’ve lived in Chi you obviously have your own opinions.

[Anonymous User]

So many weird takes here it's almost comical. Yes, people with excel and PowerPoint jobs are professionals. Yes, crime is up in all major cities, some more than others. If you're worried about crime in Chicago, move to the suburbs and take the Metra. Your commute will still be shorter than living in Brooklyn.

Thinking every office worker is a “professional” may seem obvious to a Chicagoan, but it’s not obvious everywhere.

OP should work in Chicago for that $$$ and because he has no preference for NYC that would be worth losing $$$ over. There will be relatively fewer professionals (meaning biglaw, high finance, highly paid tech, etc.) but making more $$$ than your neighbors isn’t a bad thing at all.

Making more than your neighbors is actually a big positive. In NYC, lawyers are practically improvised compared to the wide swath of finance folks and global wealthy voyeurists and it can be pretty depressing. In Chicago, you have more purchasing power and also feel more successful and financially secure. Either way, the crime sucks--but I think in Chicago, having relatively more money and the nature of the city makes it a lot easier to avoid it (e.g. by living in closer burbs, owning a car, taking ubers etc). In NYC, being just above the disposable income line as a 1st year means you're very often stuck in a shittier neighborhood, taking the train, etc.

[Anonymous User]

So many weird takes here it's almost comical. Yes, people with excel and PowerPoint jobs are professionals. Yes, crime is up in all major cities, some more than others. If you're worried about crime in Chicago, move to the suburbs and take the Metra. Your commute will still be shorter than living in Brooklyn.

Thinking every office worker is a “professional” may seem obvious to a Chicagoan, but it’s not obvious everywhere.

OP should work in Chicago for that $$$ and because he has no preference for NYC that would be worth losing $$$ over. There will be relatively fewer professionals (meaning biglaw, high finance, highly paid tech, etc.) but making more $$$ than your neighbors isn’t a bad thing at all.

The material issue here is not how much people make but if they are criminals or not. A marketing intern will not mug you.

[Res Ipsa Loquitter]

So many weird takes here it's almost comical. Yes, people with excel and PowerPoint jobs are professionals. Yes, crime is up in all major cities, some more than others. If you're worried about crime in Chicago, move to the suburbs and take the Metra. Your commute will still be shorter than living in Brooklyn.

Thinking every office worker is a “professional” may seem obvious to a Chicagoan, but it’s not obvious everywhere.

OP should work in Chicago for that $$$ and because he has no preference for NYC that would be worth losing $$$ over. There will be relatively fewer professionals (meaning biglaw, high finance, highly paid tech, etc.) but making more $$$ than your neighbors isn’t a bad thing at all.

The material issue here is not how much people make but if they are criminals or not. A marketing intern will not mug you.

Fair point. Marketing interns do lessen the ambience IMO but they are typically non-violent (at least when sober).