Summer Classes of 2022 Edition Forum

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
University of Michigan (3)
Vanderbilt (3)
Queen’s University (2)
Rutgers (2)
UC Berkeley (2)
University of Toronto (2)
Emory (1)
Howard (1)
Pace (1)
University of Iowa (1)
Villanova (1)
University of North Carolina (1)
Washington University (1)

Wow, a lot of Fordham here.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
University of Michigan (3)
Vanderbilt (3)
Queen’s University (2)
Rutgers (2)
UC Berkeley (2)
University of Toronto (2)
Emory (1)
Howard (1)
Pace (1)
University of Iowa (1)
Villanova (1)
University of North Carolina (1)
Washington University (1)

Wow, a lot of Fordham here.

Weren't YSC students supposed to be too good for Skadden, esp. their NY office?

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
University of Michigan (3)
Vanderbilt (3)
Queen’s University (2)
Rutgers (2)
UC Berkeley (2)
University of Toronto (2)
Emory (1)
Howard (1)
Pace (1)
University of Iowa (1)
Villanova (1)
University of North Carolina (1)
Washington University (1)

Wow, a lot of Fordham here.

Weren't YSC students supposed to be too good for Skadden, esp. their NY office?

That's a misconception. At least at Y/S it hires down to the bottom of the class (straight Ps), but it's still a well-regarded safety firm with a social reputation and well-regarded corporate practice groups.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
University of Michigan (3)
Vanderbilt (3)
Queen’s University (2)
Rutgers (2)
UC Berkeley (2)
University of Toronto (2)
Emory (1)
Howard (1)
Pace (1)
University of Iowa (1)
Villanova (1)
University of North Carolina (1)
Washington University (1)

Wow, a lot of Fordham here.

Weren't YSC students supposed to be too good for Skadden, esp. their NY office?

What's a YSC? Yale Stanford Columbia?

Skadden's headquarters is the NY one. I don't even get the question.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
University of Michigan (3)
Vanderbilt (3)
Queen’s University (2)
Rutgers (2)
UC Berkeley (2)
University of Toronto (2)
Emory (1)
Howard (1)
Pace (1)
University of Iowa (1)
Villanova (1)
University of North Carolina (1)
Washington University (1)

Wow, a lot of Fordham here.

Weren't YSC students supposed to be too good for Skadden, esp. their NY office?

What's a YSC? Yale Stanford Columbia?

Skadden's headquarters is the NY one. I don't even get the question.

The C is for Chicago, they jumped Harvard in the law school rankings.

It doesn't matter where a firm's headquarters is, New York is less selective than offices in other cities at the same firms because there are way more jobs and a higher cost of living.

That aside, this is a massive summer class for Skadden, almost double what they had in 2020. I wonder if they regret that now that the economy is looking less rosy than it did in OCI season and legal work in the most profitable practices is slowing down.

[Anonymous User]

That aside, this is a massive summer class for Skadden, almost double what they had in 2020. I wonder if they regret that now that the economy is looking less rosy than it did in OCI season and legal work in the most profitable practices is slowing down.

Does the risk of no-offers go up when a firm has theoretically over-hired like this? It must be tempting for Skadden to cull the ranks (motive) and the offer period at end of summer gives it the means & opportunity to do so.

Or would the reputational blowback from that be too high?

[Anonymous User]

That aside, this is a massive summer class for Skadden, almost double what they had in 2020. I wonder if they regret that now that the economy is looking less rosy than it did in OCI season and legal work in the most profitable practices is slowing down.

Does the risk of no-offers go up when a firm has theoretically over-hired like this? It must be tempting for Skadden to cull the ranks (motive) and the offer period at end of summer gives it the means & opportunity to do so.

Or would the reputational blowback from that be too high?

kirkland chicago basically doubled their summer class as well, afaik. ~44—>93

[Anonymous User]

That aside, this is a massive summer class for Skadden, almost double what they had in 2020. I wonder if they regret that now that the economy is looking less rosy than it did in OCI season and legal work in the most profitable practices is slowing down.

Does the risk of no-offers go up when a firm has theoretically over-hired like this? It must be tempting for Skadden to cull the ranks (motive) and the offer period at end of summer gives it the means & opportunity to do so.

Or would the reputational blowback from that be too high?

Doubtful, that would be a huge hindrance to recruiting when things pick back up. I wouldn't want to be a low-hours 2nd year right now though.

[Anonymous User]

Am I the only one really not too worried about overhiring? Firms are currently hit by 1) record attrition, 2) chronic shortage in seniors due to tiny classes in previous years and 3) more work than ever (except for maybe 2021). Even if #3 disappears, these firms are still going to have enough work to occupy a double class year. Firms lack midlevels and seniors. The aim is probably that in 3-5 years the stars will be slotted into the work flow in place of the missing seniors, and the rest will be treated as class year or lower.

Tldr, currently firms are underemployed, this is just balancing.

[Anonymous User]

That aside, this is a massive summer class for Skadden, almost double what they had in 2020. I wonder if they regret that now that the economy is looking less rosy than it did in OCI season and legal work in the most profitable practices is slowing down.

Does the risk of no-offers go up when a firm has theoretically over-hired like this? It must be tempting for Skadden to cull the ranks (motive) and the offer period at end of summer gives it the means & opportunity to do so.

Or would the reputational blowback from that be too high?

kirkland chicago basically doubled their summer class as well, afaik. ~44—>93

Noticed this. They took way more students from outside the T14. The number of U Chi and NU students they took seems consistent with the previous year. Weirdly, based on the names of the people going there from my school, they seemed to be focused on taking students with higher GPAs than in previous years (historically the average gpa out of NU has been 3.7-3.8.)

[Anonymous User]

That aside, this is a massive summer class for Skadden, almost double what they had in 2020. I wonder if they regret that now that the economy is looking less rosy than it did in OCI season and legal work in the most profitable practices is slowing down.

Does the risk of no-offers go up when a firm has theoretically over-hired like this? It must be tempting for Skadden to cull the ranks (motive) and the offer period at end of summer gives it the means & opportunity to do so.

Or would the reputational blowback from that be too high?

kirkland chicago basically doubled their summer class as well, afaik. ~44—>93

Noticed this. They took way more students from outside the T14. The number of U Chi and NU students they took seems consistent with the previous year. Weirdly, based on the names of the people going there from my school, they seemed to be focused on taking students with higher GPAs than in previous years (historically the average gpa out of NU has been 3.7-3.8.)

Was KE class breakdown posted and I missed it due to derail? Can you guys post breakdown.

[Anonymous User]

Oh another thing with KE (and I believe a bunch of other firms but to a lesser extent), they did a HUGE amount of 3L hiring for classes of 21/22. I personally got an cb with them, and my GPA was under their typical yield for OCI. I know others who got hired. As far as I know, everyone who struck out in OCI my year '21, NU) got a 3L or post grad offer. So the comparison of summer class size should take into account and compare instead incoming class size to summers.

[Anonymous User]

Oh another thing with KE (and I believe a bunch of other firms but to a lesser extent), they did a HUGE amount of 3L hiring for classes of 21/22. I personally got an cb with them, and my GPA was under their typical yield for OCI. I know others who got hired. As far as I know, everyone who struck out in OCI my year '21, NU) got a 3L or post grad offer. So the comparison of summer class size should take into account and compare instead incoming class size to summers.

Same with Sidley Chicago, Latham Chicago, and Skadden Chicago. They hired a bunch of 3Ls that struck out and had lower GPAs than OCI average. Mostly for transactional but Latham hired a few for litigation. Sidley was paying 3Ls to work.

But I think some GPAs went up after OCI based on non-doctrinal curve inflation. P/F due to covid during spring 2020 screwed some people over.

[Anonymous User]

Can someone share Sidley Chicago's class size for this summer and how many from NU and Chicago? Everyone from NU seems to be going there this year.

[Anonymous User]

Oh another thing with KE (and I believe a bunch of other firms but to a lesser extent), they did a HUGE amount of 3L hiring for classes of 21/22. I personally got an cb with them, and my GPA was under their typical yield for OCI. I know others who got hired. As far as I know, everyone who struck out in OCI my year '21, NU) got a 3L or post grad offer. So the comparison of summer class size should take into account and compare instead incoming class size to summers.

Same with Sidley Chicago, Latham Chicago, and Skadden Chicago. They hired a bunch of 3Ls that struck out and had lower GPAs than OCI average. Mostly for transactional but Latham hired a few for litigation. Sidley was paying 3Ls to work.

But I think some GPAs went up after OCI based on non-doctrinal curve inflation. P/F due to covid during spring 2020 screwed some people over.

Right, a lot of those firms and even others. Chi in particular tightened their summer belts in recent years and seems to regret it.

My 3L gpa was still below the avg of their pre-2L OCI based on the CB list. My 1L GPA was way under, so much that I didn't even bid them.

[Anonymous User]

Oh another thing with KE (and I believe a bunch of other firms but to a lesser extent), they did a HUGE amount of 3L hiring for classes of 21/22. I personally got an cb with them, and my GPA was under their typical yield for OCI. I know others who got hired. As far as I know, everyone who struck out in OCI my year '21, NU) got a 3L or post grad offer. So the comparison of summer class size should take into account and compare instead incoming class size to summers.

Same with Sidley Chicago, Latham Chicago, and Skadden Chicago. They hired a bunch of 3Ls that struck out and had lower GPAs than OCI average. Mostly for transactional but Latham hired a few for litigation. Sidley was paying 3Ls to work.

But I think some GPAs went up after OCI based on non-doctrinal curve inflation. P/F due to covid during spring 2020 screwed some people over.

Right, a lot of those firms and even others. Chi in particular tightened their summer belts in recent years and seems to regret it.

My 3L gpa was still below the avg of their pre-2L OCI based on the CB list. My 1L GPA was way under, so much that I didn't even bid them.

I wonder why KE tightened it again for 2L summer recruiting. I didn't get a CB with higher than their 3.7 average but have a good friend going there with a 3.9. Most of the names on their roster are people known at NU for having GPAs higher than their oci average (3.8-4). Even for transactional work. Which was puzzling to me. On the flipside, Sidley seemed to dip super low and took several nonurm 3.2s.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
University of Michigan (3)
Vanderbilt (3)
Queen’s University (2)
Rutgers (2)
UC Berkeley (2)
University of Toronto (2)
Emory (1)
Howard (1)
Pace (1)
University of Iowa (1)
Villanova (1)
University of North Carolina (1)
Washington University (1)

Wow, a lot of Fordham here.

Fordham's pull in the new york market is underrated. They deserve to be ranked higher for that network placement.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
University of Michigan (3)
Vanderbilt (3)
Queen’s University (2)
Rutgers (2)
UC Berkeley (2)
University of Toronto (2)
Emory (1)
Howard (1)
Pace (1)
University of Iowa (1)
Villanova (1)
University of North Carolina (1)
Washington University (1)

Wow, a lot of Fordham here.

Fordham's pull in the new york market is underrated. They deserve to be ranked higher for that network placement.

They are also huge (like, 3x most schools) and in NYC. So yeah, the top 25% have similar outcomes to T14s, but then there's another 450 students. And they are stingy with scholarships so their hard stats are low. I think they are ranked exactly where they should be.

[Anonymous User]

Oh another thing with KE (and I believe a bunch of other firms but to a lesser extent), they did a HUGE amount of 3L hiring for classes of 21/22. I personally got an cb with them, and my GPA was under their typical yield for OCI. I know others who got hired. As far as I know, everyone who struck out in OCI my year '21, NU) got a 3L or post grad offer. So the comparison of summer class size should take into account and compare instead incoming class size to summers.

Same with Sidley Chicago, Latham Chicago, and Skadden Chicago. They hired a bunch of 3Ls that struck out and had lower GPAs than OCI average. Mostly for transactional but Latham hired a few for litigation. Sidley was paying 3Ls to work.

But I think some GPAs went up after OCI based on non-doctrinal curve inflation. P/F due to covid during spring 2020 screwed some people over.

Right, a lot of those firms and even others. Chi in particular tightened their summer belts in recent years and seems to regret it.

My 3L gpa was still below the avg of their pre-2L OCI based on the CB list. My 1L GPA was way under, so much that I didn't even bid them.

I wonder why KE tightened it again for 2L summer recruiting. I didn't get a CB with higher than their 3.7 average but have a good friend going there with a 3.9. Most of the names on their roster are people known at NU for having GPAs higher than their oci average (3.8-4). Even for transactional work. Which was puzzling to me. On the flipside, Sidley seemed to dip super low and took several nonurm 3.2s.

Tight requirements for summers then loosened after kinda fits KE's MO on recruiting in general, along with focusing more on laterals than retention.

[Anonymous User]

This thread did indeed go off the rails. It's almost like all the threads are merging into one giant shit fest.

Any other v50 classes on here?

[Anonymous User]

This thread did indeed go off the rails. It's almost like all the threads are merging into one giant shit fest.

Any other v50 classes on here?

Lol, what?

[MergerQueen]

Am I the only one really not too worried about overhiring? Firms are currently hit by 1) record attrition, 2) chronic shortage in seniors due to tiny classes in previous years and 3) more work than ever (except for maybe 2021). Even if #3 disappears, these firms are still going to have enough work to occupy a double class year. Firms lack midlevels and seniors. The aim is probably that in 3-5 years the stars will be slotted into the work flow in place of the missing seniors, and the rest will be treated as class year or lower.

Tldr, currently firms are underemployed, this is just balancing.

Recession Risk Is Rising, Economists Say

Forecasters raise probability of economic contraction in next 12 months to 28% as Fed tightens to beat back inflation

https://www.wsj.com/articles/recession- ... c&mod=e2fb

[Anonymous User]

Am I the only one really not too worried about overhiring? Firms are currently hit by 1) record attrition, 2) chronic shortage in seniors due to tiny classes in previous years and 3) more work than ever (except for maybe 2021). Even if #3 disappears, these firms are still going to have enough work to occupy a double class year. Firms lack midlevels and seniors. The aim is probably that in 3-5 years the stars will be slotted into the work flow in place of the missing seniors, and the rest will be treated as class year or lower.

Tldr, currently firms are underemployed, this is just balancing.

Recession Risk Is Rising, Economists Say

Forecasters raise probability of economic contraction in next 12 months to 28% as Fed tightens to beat back inflation

https://www.wsj.com/articles/recession- ... c&mod=e2fb

When aren't they lol? Also that's a 72% of no recession. Doesnt' sound too bad to me.

But my point is that even if there is a recession, these firms have long term staffing shortages that need to be filled. They learned this the hard way when in the current boom they had no staff bc of years of underhiring.

[Anonymous User]

This thread did indeed go off the rails. It's almost like all the threads are merging into one giant shit fest.

Any other v50 classes on here?

Lol, what?

Ah I meant anyone else on this board have data on this summer's v50 class compositions.

[MergerQueen]

This thread did indeed go off the rails. It's almost like all the threads are merging into one giant shit fest.

Any other v50 classes on here?

Lol, what?

Ah I meant anyone else on this board have data on this summer's v50 class compositions.

Sorry, pal. Only got deets on a V52.