what do law students think about skadden Forum

[Anonymous User]

Despite the satire, and perhaps slightly diff than described, “it” factor definitely exists among law students and many associates (for better or worse)

The merger market stats, non white-shoe history, Lathaming, candidate stats, etc. all contribute. We can act like “it” doesn’t matter (bc it might not), but not that it doesn’t exist…

I go to cls/nyu and have never heard of any of my friends talking about "it" factor during eip/eiw season - we were all just trying to figure out which firm is nicer and more humane/ better in the field we are interested in LOL. But then again, probs different types of law students lol

[Anonymous User]

Despite the satire, and perhaps slightly diff than described, “it” factor definitely exists among law students and many associates (for better or worse)

The merger market stats, non white-shoe history, Lathaming, candidate stats, etc. all contribute. We can act like “it” doesn’t matter (bc it might not), but not that it doesn’t exist…

I go to cls/nyu and have never heard of any of my friends talking about "it" factor during eip/eiw season - we were all just trying to figure out which firm is nicer and more humane/ better in the field we are interested in LOL. But then again, probs different types of law students lol

Another CLS/NYU person confirming that this entire conversation is insane. No one gives a shit about "candidate stats" or "it factor," even the gunners. The only firms that stand out in any meaningful way are ones that are uniquely amazing in their geographic or practice area (e.g., Wachtell for M&A).

Is this entire thread not satire? I know practice groups matter but I cannot even fathom having a serious conversation about Cravath or S&C or whatever having an "it factor" generally. Some people need hobbies. Damn.

[dentist]

I go to cls/nyu and have never heard of any of my friends talking about "it" factor during eip/eiw season - we were all just trying to figure out which firm is nicer and more humane/ better in the field we are interested in LOL. But then again, probs different types of law students lol

Another CLS/NYU person confirming that this entire conversation is insane. No one gives a shit about "candidate stats" or "it factor," even the gunners. The only firms that stand out in any meaningful way are ones that are uniquely amazing in their geographic or practice area (e.g., Wachtell for M&A).

Is this entire thread not satire? I know practice groups matter but I cannot even fathom having a serious conversation about Cravath or S&C or whatever having an "it factor" generally. Some people need hobbies. Damn.

Also from CLS/NYU - agreed with all the above.

[Anonymous User]

Despite the satire, and perhaps slightly diff than described, “it” factor definitely exists among law students and many associates (for better or worse)

The merger market stats, non white-shoe history, Lathaming, candidate stats, etc. all contribute. We can act like “it” doesn’t matter (bc it might not), but not that it doesn’t exist…

I go to cls/nyu and have never heard of any of my friends talking about "it" factor during eip/eiw season - we were all just trying to figure out which firm is nicer and more humane/ better in the field we are interested in LOL. But then again, probs different types of law students lol

Another CLS/NYU person confirming that this entire conversation is insane. No one gives a shit about "candidate stats" or "it factor," even the gunners. The only firms that stand out in any meaningful way are ones that are uniquely amazing in their geographic or practice area (e.g., Wachtell for M&A).

Is this entire thread not satire? I know practice groups matter but I cannot even fathom having a serious conversation about Cravath or S&C or whatever having an "it factor" generally. Some people need hobbies. Damn.

Non-CLS/NYU people larping after watching one too many episodes of Suits, perhaps?

[Anonymous User]

Despite the satire, and perhaps slightly diff than described, “it” factor definitely exists among law students and many associates (for better or worse)

The merger market stats, non white-shoe history, Lathaming, candidate stats, etc. all contribute. We can act like “it” doesn’t matter (bc it might not), but not that it doesn’t exist…

I go to cls/nyu and have never heard of any of my friends talking about "it" factor during eip/eiw season - we were all just trying to figure out which firm is nicer and more humane/ better in the field we are interested in LOL. But then again, probs different types of law students lol

Another CLS/NYU person confirming that this entire conversation is insane. No one gives a shit about "candidate stats" or "it factor," even the gunners. The only firms that stand out in any meaningful way are ones that are uniquely amazing in their geographic or practice area (e.g., Wachtell for M&A).

Is this entire thread not satire? I know practice groups matter but I cannot even fathom having a serious conversation about Cravath or S&C or whatever having an "it factor" generally. Some people need hobbies. Damn.

Non-CLS/NYU people larping after watching one too many episodes of Suits, perhaps?

I can't imagine someone actually using "it" factor in conversation but it's implicit in these firms reputations. No way above median CLS/NYU or top 25% t14 are not taking these smaller variables into account when picking firms...

[Anonymous User]

I can't imagine someone actually using "it" factor in conversation but it's implicit in these firms reputations. No way above median CLS/NYU or top 25% t14 are not taking these smaller variables into account when picking firms...

First, a lot of those students are targeting non-big-NY firms already, which likely leads to fewer options and/or more basic divisions (city, boutique v. big firm, etc.). Second, I have talked to a lot of students and alumni about their decisionmaking processes, and while a minority do pick based on Vault, that is basically as far as it goes in terms of prestige whoring. The rest of the decision is practice groups/fit. No one cares about the "it" factor. The idea that 2Ls generally care about financial stats or "candidate stats" among firms is deluded.

[Anonymous User]

I can't imagine someone actually using "it" factor in conversation but it's implicit in these firms reputations. No way above median CLS/NYU or top 25% t14 are not taking these smaller variables into account when picking firms...

First, a lot of those students are targeting non-big-NY firms already, which likely leads to fewer options and/or more basic divisions (city, boutique v. big firm, etc.). Second, I have talked to a lot of students and alumni about their decisionmaking processes, and while a minority do pick based on Vault, that is basically as far as it goes in terms of prestige whoring. The rest of the decision is practice groups/fit. No one cares about the "it" factor. The idea that 2Ls generally care about financial stats or "candidate stats" among firms is deluded.

I mean the top top students, who tend to be litigators, want to work at (1) boutiques, (2) DC biglaw, or (3) the top trial/appeals shops wherever they’re from. Insofar as they think any firms have the “it” factor they’re going to think like Gibson DC, MoloLamken, or MTO, or even Jones Day Columbus, not S&C NY. There really aren’t gradations between the NY places even if you’re extremely snobby.