Summer Internships and Corona Forum

[Anonymous User]

Jones Day emailed SAs firm-wide today and is doing the full 10 weeks but starting remote. No word on how long they expect remote work to last.

I mean, the email talked about getting out of your housing plans, so it doesn't seem like they expect people to be in the office at all, or at least in the office you originally were hired for...

[Anonymous User]

Jones Day emailed SAs firm-wide today and is doing the full 10 weeks but starting remote. No word on how long they expect remote work to last.

I mean, the email talked about getting out of your housing plans, so it doesn't seem like they expect people to be in the office at all, or at least in the office you originally were hired for...

Yeah, that's the vibe I got too when I re-read the email. It did seem unclear though that they said it will "launch" online, like only the beginning of the summer would be remote.

[Anonymous User]

Jones Day emailed SAs firm-wide today and is doing the full 10 weeks but starting remote. No word on how long they expect remote work to last.

I mean, the email talked about getting out of your housing plans, so it doesn't seem like they expect people to be in the office at all, or at least in the office you originally were hired for...

Yeah, that's the vibe I got too when I re-read the email. It did seem unclear though that they said it will "launch" online, like only the beginning of the summer would be remote.

I suppose they could try to have people engage with the offices in their hometowns, e.g., if someone lives in NYC but was hired for the Chicago office, they could try and meet up with partners in the NYC office of their desired practice group, etc., but I would expect that to be mostly social (like the pre-OCI gatherings) and not more than that.

[Anonymous User]

Jones Day emailed SAs firm-wide today and is doing the full 10 weeks but starting remote. No word on how long they expect remote work to last.

I mean, the email talked about getting out of your housing plans, so it doesn't seem like they expect people to be in the office at all, or at least in the office you originally were hired for...

Yeah, that's the vibe I got too when I re-read the email. It did seem unclear though that they said it will "launch" online, like only the beginning of the summer would be remote.

I suppose they could try to have people engage with the offices in their hometowns, e.g., if someone lives in NYC but was hired for the Chicago office, they could try and meet up with partners in the NYC office of their desired practice group, etc., but I would expect that to be mostly social (like the pre-OCI gatherings) and not more than that.

If things do start to open up this summer and offices do start to have in-person events, I wonder how the firm will address the issue of some summers being excluded. I would imagine that summers who aren't residing near a JD office will be at a disadvantage if their peers get to socialize in-person while they are relegated to Zoom.

[LSATWiz.com]

Jones Day emailed SAs firm-wide today and is doing the full 10 weeks but starting remote. No word on how long they expect remote work to last.

I mean, the email talked about getting out of your housing plans, so it doesn't seem like they expect people to be in the office at all, or at least in the office you originally were hired for...

Yeah, that's the vibe I got too when I re-read the email. It did seem unclear though that they said it will "launch" online, like only the beginning of the summer would be remote.

I suppose they could try to have people engage with the offices in their hometowns, e.g., if someone lives in NYC but was hired for the Chicago office, they could try and meet up with partners in the NYC office of their desired practice group, etc., but I would expect that to be mostly social (like the pre-OCI gatherings) and not more than that.

If things do start to open up this summer and offices do start to have in-person events, I wonder how the firm will address the issue of some summers being excluded. I would imagine that summers who aren't residing near a JD office will be at a disadvantage if their peers get to socialize in-person while they are relegated to Zoom.

Unfortunately, I think it's overly optimistic to assume that becomes an issue. Even if restaurants and the like are legally allowed to open by June, there is still the risk of liability if employees get COVID-19 because they felt pressured to go to an event at a crowded restaurant. Lawyers are generally risk adverse.

[Anonymous User]

Covington got delayed to early june and is virtual with the potential for us to come in to the office (optional) in July if things get better. 8 weeks long now but everyone will get paid for as long as they committed to spend with the firm. Also potential for a week of social events in late july to make up for the lack of socializing during the program.

[Anonymous User]

Not heading to a firm, but an SA program at a Fortune 100 company. Gotten two emails so far, the first said that they were planning on starting the program on time, but orientation might be virtual. Second said they ordered the whole company to WFH and that they'll update us as the situation develops.

[Anonymous User]

Email sent to at least one Jones Day summer office asking about computer and wifi access for remote work during the summer.

[Anonymous User]

Email sent to at least one Jones Day summer office asking about computer and wifi access for remote work during the summer.

I'm at a non NY/DC office and did not get this email

[Anonymous User]

Anon as I'm a SullCrom summer, but they are dropping the ball here.

They haven't paid out promised advances, and their latest update simply stated that they are not holding the program till mid-June at the earliest. No mention of offers or pay. Is the firm in trouble financially?

[Anonymous User]

Anon as I'm a SullCrom summer, but they are dropping the ball here.

They haven't paid out promised advances, and their latest update simply stated that they are not holding the program till mid-June at the earliest. No mention of offers or pay. Is the firm in trouble financially?

Jones Day hasn't paid the promised relocation stipend (which should've arrived by the end of March), nor have they mentioned offers or pay. They've done only a little more than SullCrom has--so it doesn't seem like SullCrom is much behind the curve.

[jackshunger]

Anon as I'm a SullCrom summer, but they are dropping the ball here.

They haven't paid out promised advances, and their latest update simply stated that they are not holding the program till mid-June at the earliest. No mention of offers or pay. Is the firm in trouble financially?

Jones Day hasn't paid the promised relocation stipend (which should've arrived by the end of March), nor have they mentioned offers or pay. They've done only a little more than SullCrom has--so it doesn't seem like SullCrom is much behind the curve.

I doubt S&C really wants to be compared to Jones Day.

[Anonymous User]

Greenberg Traurig Summer Associate here, they are having a phone call this evening with all the summers associates firmwide (~70 summers) to discuss updates to the program. May or may not be good news, but I'll update once I have the call.

[Anonymous User]

Email sent to at least one Jones Day summer office asking about computer and wifi access for remote work during the summer.

I'm at a non NY/DC office and did not get this email

I'm at a non NY/DC office and I received an email about computer and wifi access for remote work this week. I'm sure you'll probably be getting the same email from your office

[DC2NY2x]

Greenberg Traurig Summer Associate here, they are having a phone call this evening with all the summers associates firmwide (~70 summers) to discuss updates to the program. May or may not be good news, but I'll update once I have the call.

Greenberg Traurig Summer Anon here. I am relieved as shit to say, GT has extended full-time post grad offers to all of its 2L summers firm wide. We are getting a 10K advance in July against our first year salary, and in July each individual office will gauge the situation, and if necessary may have an option to extend the summer program part time into the school year. But the structure of the summer program is up to the individual office's discretion (quite reasonably, given how different the situation is in different parts of the country).
GT came through for me, pretty dope ngl.

[Oleo]

Greenberg Traurig Summer Associate here, they are having a phone call this evening with all the summers associates firmwide (~70 summers) to discuss updates to the program. May or may not be good news, but I'll update once I have the call.

Greenberg Traurig Summer Anon here. I am relieved as shit to say, GT has extended full-time post grad offers to all of its 2L summers firm wide. We are getting a 10K advance in July against our first year salary, and in July each individual office will gauge the situation, and if necessary may have an option to extend the summer program part time into the school year. But the structure of the summer program is up to the individual office's discretion (quite reasonably, given how different the situation is in different parts of the country).
GT came through for me, pretty dope ngl.

This is sarcasm, I assume? Summer program cancelled with no pay, the only “pay” comes out of our first year’s salary. After seeing how most of the other large firms are handling everything this feels like a slap in the face. The promise of a job after graduation to me rings hollow if they’re not even going to attempt to follow through on their promise of a job/compensation this summer.

This sounds to me like a clever way for the firm to attempt to placate us with some money now without really promising us anything. If everything looks better a year from now and they decide they want to actually hire us, they’ve lost nothing because that money will come out of our salaries. If, however, they decide to dump us like they did this summer then they’ve lost at most $10k. Either way it’s a terrible deal and I find it completely ridiculous. Unsurprising but disappointing nonetheless. Like others have said, I would much rather have some compensation for this summer as opposed to a “guaranteed” offer for after graduation. Aside from really needing the money, that to me says a lot more about how much the firm values and is committed to me than an empty promise that can easily be withdrawn.

[Anonymous User]

Anon in case recruiters read these forums. Does anyone have thoughts as to why some v15 firms have remained silent? I am going to be at Weil NYC and don't understand why they wouldn't be more communicative/come to a decision...

[DC2NY2x]

Greenberg Traurig Summer Associate here, they are having a phone call this evening with all the summers associates firmwide (~70 summers) to discuss updates to the program. May or may not be good news, but I'll update once I have the call.

Greenberg Traurig Summer Anon here. I am relieved as shit to say, GT has extended full-time post grad offers to all of its 2L summers firm wide. We are getting a 10K advance in July against our first year salary, and in July each individual office will gauge the situation, and if necessary may have an option to extend the summer program part time into the school year. But the structure of the summer program is up to the individual office's discretion (quite reasonably, given how different the situation is in different parts of the country).
GT came through for me, pretty dope ngl.

This is sarcasm, I assume? Summer program cancelled with no pay, the only “pay” comes out of our first year’s salary. After seeing how most of the other large firms are handling everything this feels like a slap in the face. The promise of a job after graduation to me rings hollow if they’re not even going to attempt to follow through on their promise of a job/compensation this summer.

This sounds to me like a clever way for the firm to attempt to placate us with some money now without really promising us anything. If everything looks better a year from now and they decide they want to actually hire us, they’ve lost nothing because that money will come out of our salaries. If, however, they decide to dump us like they did this summer then they’ve lost at most $10k. Either way it’s a terrible deal and I find it completely ridiculous. Unsurprising but disappointing nonetheless. Like others have said, I would much rather have some compensation for this summer as opposed to a “guaranteed” offer for after graduation. Aside from really needing the money, that to me says a lot more about how much the firm values and is committed to me than an empty promise that can easily be withdrawn.

Well its up to each individual office on how to handle their summer program, which I feel is more realistic than saying "every office will have the program as scheduled" considering the variance in impact of the virus on different regions of the country. I think if and when we cross the bridge of the individual offices saying "yeah no we aren't having a program", THEN you can be pissed off.
But also, I feel you are in the minority of people if you have the opinion that you'd rather have 40K this summer than a guaranteed position after law school. Yes, losing out on a summer program sucks, but the first-year associate job is what this has all been about. Especially considering GT did not extend offers to every summer last year when the economy was booming, this is a very welcome development in my book.

[Anonymous User]

Greenberg Traurig Summer Associate here, they are having a phone call this evening with all the summers associates firmwide (~70 summers) to discuss updates to the program. May or may not be good news, but I'll update once I have the call.

Greenberg Traurig Summer Anon here. I am relieved as shit to say, GT has extended full-time post grad offers to all of its 2L summers firm wide. We are getting a 10K advance in July against our first year salary, and in July each individual office will gauge the situation, and if necessary may have an option to extend the summer program part time into the school year. But the structure of the summer program is up to the individual office's discretion (quite reasonably, given how different the situation is in different parts of the country).
GT came through for me, pretty dope ngl.

This is sarcasm, I assume? Summer program cancelled with no pay, the only “pay” comes out of our first year’s salary. After seeing how most of the other large firms are handling everything this feels like a slap in the face. The promise of a job after graduation to me rings hollow if they’re not even going to attempt to follow through on their promise of a job/compensation this summer.

This sounds to me like a clever way for the firm to attempt to placate us with some money now without really promising us anything. If everything looks better a year from now and they decide they want to actually hire us, they’ve lost nothing because that money will come out of our salaries. If, however, they decide to dump us like they did this summer then they’ve lost at most $10k. Either way it’s a terrible deal and I find it completely ridiculous. Unsurprising but disappointing nonetheless. Like others have said, I would much rather have some compensation for this summer as opposed to a “guaranteed” offer for after graduation. Aside from really needing the money, that to me says a lot more about how much the firm values and is committed to me than an empty promise that can easily be withdrawn.

Well its up to each individual office on how to handle their summer program, which I feel is more realistic than saying "every office will have the program as scheduled" considering the variance in impact of the virus on different regions of the country. I think if and when we cross the bridge of the individual offices saying "yeah no we aren't having a program", THEN you can be pissed off.
But also, I feel you are in the minority of people if you have the opinion that you'd rather have 40K this summer than a guaranteed position after law school. Yes, losing out on a summer program sucks, but the first-year associate job is what this has all been about. Especially considering GT did not extend offers to every summer last year when the economy was booming, this is a very welcome development in my book.

With all due respect for your enthusiasm - from someone who worked in Miami where GT exiles are all over (I did not work at GT) - I've literally never met a happy associate from GT. Everyone says it is a horrible place and they were happy to leave. It´s good to have an offer in hand, but you cannot and should not trust that firm. They have not earned it.

[Anonymous User]

Anon in case recruiters read these forums. Does anyone have thoughts as to why some v15 firms have remained silent? I am going to be at Weil NYC and don't understand why they wouldn't be more communicative/come to a decision...

I can't imagine a V15 NYC firm screwing their summers in a substantively bigger way than their peer firms. I don't know why some firms have been silent but I would guess it's because they want to wait and see what happens in order to have a summer program that's as close to the real thing (at least in terms of length and facetime) as possible.

[Anonymous User]

Dentons is deferring their starting class until 2021. This year's summers will receive a "stipend" and will work remotely for a shortened period. Not sure how much the stipend will be, but they will not be doing any client work so I doubt it will be substantial. They've also guaranteed offers for all summers for the following year. 1Ls will not have a summer program but are guaranteed a spot as 2Ls.

[Anonymous User]

McKool Smith canceled for 1Ls and went virtual for 2Ls

[Anonymous User]

Is there a general range of firms where summers should be more likely to prepare themselves for the worst? I can tell the Wacthells and the Cravaths are probably going to be fine, but what about the Hogans or the Goodwins (and obviously lower)?

[trebekismyhero]

Is there a general range of firms where summers should be more likely to prepare themselves for the worst? I can tell the Wacthells and the Cravaths are probably going to be fine, but what about the Hogans or the Goodwins (and obviously lower)?

I think generally if your firm is in the V50 and profitable you are unlikely to get completely screwed. There will be varying degrees, some of those firms might still cancel the summers and just give a small stipend, but as long as this thing doesn't turn into a great depression and last until summer 2021 you will likely have a job when you graduate.

[Anonymous User]

Hunton Andrews Kurth is planning on going to 6 weeks with later start and end dates.