Georgetown EIW - 2016 Forum

[buckiguy_sucks]

Is there a reliable way to find out summer class sizes? I've seen NALP forms but sometimes have trouble finding office-specific information.

SA threads on TLS are the only place I've found class sizes

[Anonymous User]

.

[TLSModBot]

Is there a reliable way to find out summer class sizes? I've seen NALP forms but sometimes have trouble finding office-specific information.

SA threads on TLS are the only place I've found class sizes

NALP has this data. Search for the firm on NALP, choose the specific office, and go to 'recruitment and hiring.' Should have the class size for previous year which should give you an idea of this year's size.

[navykev]

tag

[Anonymous User]

Any advice for bidding with a 3.24 GPA?

Bombed one class and it wrecked my GPA. Got As in LRW and another class (hopefully that shows I'm not completely hopeless). I am flexible on location and practice area.

Also interested in this cuz same GPA (but no B-'s or C's)

[Anonymous User]

what's a good bid list for median, gambling on DC with some NY?

Jones Day
Foley & Lardner
Akin Gump
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meaghen
Davis Polk
Dechert
Latham & Watkins
Simpson Thatcher & Bartlett
Cleary Gottleib Steen Hamilton
Hogan Lovells
Kirkland & Ellis
O'Melveny & Myers
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

[Anonymous User]

what's a good bid list for median, gambling on DC with some NY?

Jones Day
Foley & Lardner
Akin Gump
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meaghen
Davis Polk
Dechert
Latham & Watkins
Simpson Thatcher & Bartlett
Cleary Gottleib Steen Hamilton
Hogan Lovells
Kirkland & Ellis
O'Melveny & Myers
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

[Anonymous User]

what's a good bid list for median, gambling on DC with some NY?

Jones Day
Foley & Lardner
Akin Gump
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meaghen
Davis Polk
Dechert
Latham & Watkins
Simpson Thatcher & Bartlett
Cleary Gottleib Steen Hamilton
Hogan Lovells
Kirkland & Ellis
O'Melveny & Myers
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

[Minnietron]

what's a good bid list for median, gambling on DC with some NY?

Jones Day
Foley & Lardner
Akin Gump
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meaghen
Davis Polk
Dechert
Latham & Watkins
Simpson Thatcher & Bartlett
Cleary Gottleib Steen Hamilton
Hogan Lovells
Kirkland & Ellis
O'Melveny & Myers
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

This one looks terrible. Way too aggressive.

[Minnietron]

what's a good bid list for median, gambling on DC with some NY?

Jones Day
Foley & Lardner
Akin Gump
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meaghen
Davis Polk
Dechert
Latham & Watkins
Simpson Thatcher & Bartlett
Cleary Gottleib Steen Hamilton
Hogan Lovells
Kirkland & Ellis
O'Melveny & Myers
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

This one looks a little too conservative.

[Minnietron]

what's a good bid list for median, gambling on DC with some NY?

Jones Day
Foley & Lardner
Akin Gump
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meaghen
Davis Polk
Dechert
Latham & Watkins
Simpson Thatcher & Bartlett
Cleary Gottleib Steen Hamilton
Hogan Lovells
Kirkland & Ellis
O'Melveny & Myers
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

This one looks perfect!

[buckiguy_sucks]

what's a good bid list for median, gambling on DC with some NY?

Jones Day
Foley & Lardner
Akin Gump
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meaghen
Davis Polk
Dechert
Latham & Watkins
Simpson Thatcher & Bartlett
Cleary Gottleib Steen Hamilton
Hogan Lovells
Kirkland & Ellis
O'Melveny & Myers
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

This one looks terrible. Way too aggressive.

But really tho have you looked at the grade spreadsheet at all?

These are like all reach firms and some are completely a waste of a bid with median grades

[TLSModBot]

Slightly below median, is this too aggressive guys?

Wachtell
Williams & Connolly
White House Counsel/Attorney General
WilmerHale
Covington
Sullivan & Cromwell
The Vatican (Cardinal or higher)
Quinn Emmanuel
Goldman Sachs C-suite

[buckiguy_sucks]

Slightly below median, is this too aggressive guys?

Wachtell
Williams & Connolly
White House Counsel/Attorney General
WilmerHale
Covington
Sullivan & Cromwell
The Vatican (Cardinal or higher)
Quinn Emmanuel
Goldman Sachs C-suite

Would probably be more preftigious with more v3 i doubt v1 is enough. How else will you leverage starting salaries against each other? 180k is only for those without chips on the table

[WhiskeyAndCupcakes]

.

[Hand]

Slightly below median, is this too aggressive guys?

Wachtell
Williams & Connolly
White House Counsel/Attorney General
WilmerHale
Covington
Sullivan & Cromwell
The Vatican (Cardinal or higher)
Quinn Emmanuel
Goldman Sachs C-suite

Would probably be more preftigious with more v3 i doubt v1 is enough. How else will you leverage starting salaries against each other? 180k is only for those without chips on the table

You forgot about SCOTUS clerk. Get it together and ~*~do big things with big dreams~*~

tagging this thread for the lulz

[Anonymous User]

what's a good bid list for median, gambling on DC with some NY?

Jones Day
Foley & Lardner
Akin Gump
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meaghen
Davis Polk
Dechert
Latham & Watkins
Simpson Thatcher & Bartlett
Cleary Gottleib Steen Hamilton
Hogan Lovells
Kirkland & Ellis
O'Melveny & Myers
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

This one looks terrible. Way too aggressive.

But really tho have you looked at the grade spreadsheet at all?

These are like all reach firms and some are completely a waste of a bid with median grades

To be more helpful, though, I'd say it's aggressive because so many in your top 10 are ones where your GPA might make it tough to get a callback. You can bid some of these firms if you really want to, but put them way lower in your bidlist and firms that are a closer GPA fit in the top 20-25.

Also a rising 2L, so I hope some GULC 3Ls/alums on the board come and chime in, but I'd say you can probably keep Dechert, Foley, and Akin Gump. I'm not sure about Latham, Jones Day, and Weil (Capitol call in). Hogan, Kirkland & Ellis, Skadden, O'Melveny & Meyers, Cleary all seem aggressive.

[TLSModBot]

what's a good bid list for median, gambling on DC with some NY?

Jones Day
Foley & Lardner
Akin Gump
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meaghen
Davis Polk
Dechert
Latham & Watkins
Simpson Thatcher & Bartlett
Cleary Gottleib Steen Hamilton
Hogan Lovells
Kirkland & Ellis
O'Melveny & Myers
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

This one looks terrible. Way too aggressive.

But really tho have you looked at the grade spreadsheet at all?

These are like all reach firms and some are completely a waste of a bid with median grades

To be more helpful, though, I'd say it's aggressive because so many in your top 10 are ones where your GPA might make it tough to get a callback. You can bid some of these firms if you really want to, but put them way lower in your bidlist and firms that are a closer GPA fit in the top 20-25.

Also a rising 2L, so I hope some GULC 3Ls/alums on the board come and chime in, but I'd say you can probably keep Dechert, Foley, and Akin Gump. I'm not sure about Latham, Jones Day, and Weil (Capitol call in). Hogan, Kirkland & Ellis, Skadden, O'Melveny & Meyers, Cleary all seem aggressive.

Mostly agree with above, except I think O'Melveny isn't a stretch at all and Jones Day is also a solid possibility. I'd also posit that Akin might be a reach. I'd add in Crowell as well.

Latham and Hogan are good to keep even as stretches, because they have large DC summer classes and take multiple GULC students per year, so your odds are a little better than reaching for, say, Cleary.

[Londonbear]

what's a good bid list for median, gambling on DC with some NY?

Jones Day
Foley & Lardner
Akin Gump
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meaghen
Davis Polk
Dechert
Latham & Watkins
Simpson Thatcher & Bartlett
Cleary Gottleib Steen Hamilton
Hogan Lovells
Kirkland & Ellis
O'Melveny & Myers
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

This one looks terrible. Way too aggressive.

Am typing on phone so keeping it short. Was around median, got offers from NY V10-V50. Wanted NY, didn't care for DC but bid for some anyways bc I have connect to DC besides going to GULC. I bid on a lot of the firms you mentioned (screened with L&W, hogan, K&E, Weil, cleary, STB and ended up in one of those firms for the summer). It can happen but it wasn't easy and a lot of luck and hustle. Make sure your GPA is at least their min. I would mix your top bids with more safety firms bc you can always trade or pick up selective firms (like there were a lot of DPW and Carvath available slots cause people don't even bother) It's hard to pick up/trade for firms that have 3.2-3.5 GPA median bc they're in demand. practice interviewing, contact all the people you know, go to suites, etc. It's going to be hard in some of your interviews because some firms really adhere to their cut offs and won't really give you the light of day if it wasn't for lottery. You gotta impress to get a callback at some of the firms you listed. Good luck, you'll need it, but work on everything and anything you can control.

[Anonymous User]

If you have exactly a 3.6, what are the chances of getting an SA with one of the firms that have a median GPA of 3.62-3.63 (STB, DPW, Skadden, Paul Weiss, etc.)?

I would have been above their medians, but the last grade that came in screwed me...

[Anonymous User]

alum advice on using the OCS resume edits? seem arbitrary

[buckiguy_sucks]

If you have exactly a 3.6, what are the chances of getting an SA with one of the firms that have a median GPA of 3.62-3.63 (STB, DPW, Skadden, Paul Weiss, etc.)?

I would have been above their medians, but the last grade that came in screwed me...

3.6 is within the gpa range of 3.6x firms so you should probably feel comfortable bidding them but beyond that your ~chances~ depend on a myriad of factors

[Elfy]

Is it too soon to get this cycle's EIW thread rolling? I met with a Career Counselor last week who told me that, despite what I thought was the conventional wisdom to bid conservatively, I should to be more not less aggressive in bidding firms where I was below median, both in DC and generally. Wished I'd had a EIW thread to share it in

I can give specific transfer advice if anyone wants it (quote and I can PM).

A word of advice, our career center is pretty good at hustling to get you in front of interviewers. But I would STRONGY CAUTION their advice upon all other matters.

TLS wisdom provides a solid set of tips that should be followed, which are often contradictory to OCS advice.

Would love some transfer advice as well.

[unfinishedthough]

I can give specific transfer advice if anyone wants it (quote and I can PM).

Yes, please.

[TLSModBot]

If you have exactly a 3.6, what are the chances of getting an SA with one of the firms that have a median GPA of 3.62-3.63 (STB, DPW, Skadden, Paul Weiss, etc.)?

I would have been above their medians, but the last grade that came in screwed me...

3.6 is within the gpa range of 3.6x firms so you should probably feel comfortable bidding them but beyond that your ~chances~ depend on a myriad of factors

Basically this. GPA seems to matter more as a minimum/barrier to entry than any kind of positive helping factor.

Be really interesting and good at interviewing and you can outperform your GPA to some extent. But a terrible interviewer can almost never be saved by just a good GPA.