Backing out from a federal judge after acceptance Forum

[Anonymous User]

OCI is the most efficient way to find biglaw jobs. AND IT'S LITERALLY TWO MONTHS AWAY. OP if not aspie or has shit grades this semester, is chicken little if at this point he takes anything as long as it gives out sponsorship? Most of the NYC Biglaw give H1B sponsorship. There is no need to choose one fork OP can have both here.

Without being rude, is English your first language? Because not only is your advice terrible, your posts are horribly written.

No offer.

Dude try keeping your own job safety first I'm all set with offer now.

[Anonymous User]

How is it possible that the firm can guarantee you that they will sponsor you for H1B when you are just a 1L? They may decide you are not a good fit after you start working for them. Their hiring needs may change by the time you reach 3L spring. The chances of winning the H1B lottery vary dramatically over the years. H1B may not even exist then if Trump wins.

And people say it's such a seal-deal that worths foreclosing any future possibility of federal internship and OCI.

Firm is not gonna sign a 1L, there is no chance of pre-filing H1B. You always file you 3L year, that is granted after your enjoyable experience with them after two solid summer. Loads of shit could go south, locking OP in right now is so myopic AND CHICKEN SHIT.

On top of that, I doubt that the firm gon be happy about OP doing OCI, so OP ended up forgoing OCI + forgoing district court internship in exchange for a promise that they will file for H1B two years later.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Backing out of a summer judicial internship isn't going to get the OP blackballed from federal clerkships, and is very unlikely to get the OP banned from OCI.

1L firms also totally understand that people do OCI.

Even leaving aside visa issues, there isn't such a significant benefit to doing a judicial internship that it's worth passing on a paid firm job if that's what the OP would prefer. Judicial internships are just not some kind of ace in the hole. They're nice. Tons of people do them. They don't confer some amazing benefit.

[Anonymous User]

judges don't have to be mad to let the career service know and ban you from OCI, 1L clerk is invisible to judges that doesn't mean you can say no to them after you freaking get your finger prints approved. People who get biglaw job get them through OCI, massmail seems to be prevalent in TLS but it RARELY works. Massmail are for 2L who struck out and had to do massmail like a mad dog. I cannot possibly think of a reason why your firm cannot hire you again back as a 2L, knowing that you are doing great work with a federal judge 1L. It's hilarious how previous anon think you should snatch something up and seal the deal like you'd be some damaged good as a 2L with district court internship.

This post is awful on so many levels.

why? Cuz I offended mass-mailing 2Ls?

previous long anon above

(i) finger prints take like 10 minutes and they are completed by a staff member. Not a big deal. Like I said, I was a week out when I backed out.


(ii) I think mass mailing post oci is far less effective then doing it before hand. Seen (and heard of) alot more success from people who start over the summer. Mass mailing is not just for people who struck out. I'm not going to argue the merits of mass mailing.

(iii) You are completely over stating the weight firms give judicial internships.

(iv) Again giving to much weight. Also not saying you would be damaged goods, but passing up an offer in hand is a lot more valuable than a potential offer through oci. I am not saying OP will not get a job through oci. What I am is saying that there is risk associated with passing on this offer (and passing on a sponsor). Just as there is a risk associated with telling a judge no after you have already accepted the offer. All I am is saying that weighing the pros/cons I think it is a relatively easy decision.

(v) Your post is awful because you are making comments and giving advice without offering any support. You are attacking current clerks, who work with judges on a daily basis, and have gone through OCI and the job search process. I went through almost the exact same situation (minus the need for a sponsor which makes this an even easier call). I have talked with other clerks about this. What you are saying is just wrong.

long anon you some high school debate teem bro?

no you didn't go through the same situation. You struck out OP is not gonna strike out, same interview skills and same grades aint gonna dramatically change the outcome people.

edit: I gotta say your last paragraph is really hilarious. Very sensational you should run for class president or something

[Anonymous User]

Backing out of a summer judicial internship isn't going to get the OP blackballed from federal clerkships, and is very unlikely to get the OP banned from OCI.

1L firms also totally understand that people do OCI.

Even leaving aside visa issues, there isn't such a significant benefit to doing a judicial internship that it's worth passing on a paid firm job if that's what the OP would prefer. Judicial internships are just not some kind of ace in the hole. They're nice. Tons of people do them. They don't confer some amazing benefit.

Yes nobody is saying either is an ace in the hole, but I really don't think paid firm gig is better in any sense, especially now OP has to reject a federal judge. No matter how minimal the actual risk, it's just a pretty bad move- can't one keep his words after finalizing the last move? It's May, and OP is rejecting a judge. Assuming school is involved ( OP is doing that for credit so clinic / extenrship officers are involved for sure), unless OP is in dire need of money, choosing the firm is just a bad move.

[almondjoy]

Backing out of a summer judicial internship isn't going to get the OP blackballed from federal clerkships, and is very unlikely to get the OP banned from OCI.

1L firms also totally understand that people do OCI.

Even leaving aside visa issues, there isn't such a significant benefit to doing a judicial internship that it's worth passing on a paid firm job if that's what the OP would prefer. Judicial internships are just not some kind of ace in the hole. They're nice. Tons of people do them. They don't confer some amazing benefit.

Yes nobody is saying either is an ace in the hole, but I really don't think paid firm gig is better in any sense, especially now OP has to reject a federal judge. No matter how minimal the actual risk, it's just a pretty bad move- can't one keep his words after finalizing the last move? It's May, and OP is rejecting a judge. Assuming school is involved ( OP is doing that for credit so clinic / extenrship officers are involved for sure), unless OP is in dire need of money, choosing the firm is just a bad move.

1. Money
2. Sponsorship
3. (great?) chance at full time employment

Judicial externship gives you none of these. This is such a no-brainer and your posts in this thread are really dumb.

[mrs.miawallace]

Backing out of a summer judicial internship isn't going to get the OP blackballed from federal clerkships, and is very unlikely to get the OP banned from OCI.

1L firms also totally understand that people do OCI.

Even leaving aside visa issues, there isn't such a significant benefit to doing a judicial internship that it's worth passing on a paid firm job if that's what the OP would prefer. Judicial internships are just not some kind of ace in the hole. They're nice. Tons of people do them. They don't confer some amazing benefit.

Yes nobody is saying either is an ace in the hole, but I really don't think paid firm gig is better in any sense, especially now OP has to reject a federal judge. No matter how minimal the actual risk, it's just a pretty bad move- can't one keep his words after finalizing the last move? It's May, and OP is rejecting a judge. Assuming school is involved ( OP is doing that for credit so clinic / extenrship officers are involved for sure), unless OP is in dire need of money, choosing the firm is just a bad move.

1. Money
2. Sponsorship
3. (great?) chance at full time employment

Judicial externship gives you none of these. This is such a no-brainer and your posts in this thread are really dumb.

can't your little shitbird brain put in a bit of subtractions here.

1. a midly annoyed federal judge or a mildly annoyed admin staff in the chamber (they got tons of time to contact your school, especially the clinic officer.
and no further possibilities with that chamber and potentially any other judicial internship)
2. look like a huge disorganized mess, show a lack of ability to respect rules and orders
3. firm is not gonna be happy with OP doing OCI.

[favabeansoup]

can't your little shitbird brain put in a bit of subtractions here.

3. firm is not gonna be happy with OP doing OCI.

No offense, but this is just not true. I knew several, several law students who had 1L summer jobs do OCI without any repercussions. The firm will more than likely already have given you an offer for next summer by that point, and they won't give a shit if you sit on it for an extra month. It's not like some super-busy partner is going to call you up and yell at you for not accepting yet. He won't even be thinking about you.

I didn't know a single law student who didn't do OCI because their 1L firm would be "unhappy" with them for doing so. The only ones who didn't do OCI were ones who liked their firms, got a 2L offer, and were too lazy to trudge through rest of OCI to maybe get some other offers.

At my own firm, I knew some of the 1L summers later did OCI. Guess what, no one at my firm gave a hoot. All but one came back 2L summer anyway.

[PvblivsScipio]

can't your little shitbird brain put in a bit of subtractions here.

3. firm is not gonna be happy with OP doing OCI.

No offense, but this is just not true. I knew several, several law students who had 1L summer jobs do OCI without any repercussions. The firm will more than likely already have given you an offer for next summer by that point, and they won't give a shit if you sit on it for an extra month. It's not like some super-busy partner is going to call you up and yell at you for not accepting yet. He won't even be thinking about you.

I didn't know a single law student who didn't do OCI because their 1L firm would be "unhappy" with them for doing so. The only ones who didn't do OCI were ones who liked their firms, got a 2L offer, and were too lazy to trudge through rest of OCI to maybe get some other offers.

At my own firm, I knew some of the 1L summers later did OCI. Guess what, no one at my firm gave a hoot. All but one came back 2L summer anyway.

Well, anon is literally just making shit up.

[Winter is Coming]

Backing out of a summer judicial internship isn't going to get the OP blackballed from federal clerkships, and is very unlikely to get the OP banned from OCI.

1L firms also totally understand that people do OCI.

Even leaving aside visa issues, there isn't such a significant benefit to doing a judicial internship that it's worth passing on a paid firm job if that's what the OP would prefer. Judicial internships are just not some kind of ace in the hole. They're nice. Tons of people do them. They don't confer some amazing benefit.

Yes nobody is saying either is an ace in the hole, but I really don't think paid firm gig is better in any sense, especially now OP has to reject a federal judge. No matter how minimal the actual risk, it's just a pretty bad move- can't one keep his words after finalizing the last move? It's May, and OP is rejecting a judge. Assuming school is involved ( OP is doing that for credit so clinic / extenrship officers are involved for sure), unless OP is in dire need of money, choosing the firm is just a bad move.

1. Money
2. Sponsorship
3. (great?) chance at full time employment

Judicial externship gives you none of these. This is such a no-brainer and your posts in this thread are really dumb.

can't your little shitbird brain put in a bit of subtractions here.

1. a midly annoyed federal judge or a mildly annoyed admin staff in the chamber (they got tons of time to contact your school, especially the clinic officer.
and no further possibilities with that chamber and potentially any other judicial internship)
2. look like a huge disorganized mess, show a lack of ability to respect rules and orders
3. firm is not gonna be happy with OP doing OCI.

The sheer stupidity of this anon's posts is an abuse of anon.

[Serett]

Backing out of a summer judicial internship isn't going to get the OP blackballed from federal clerkships, and is very unlikely to get the OP banned from OCI.

1L firms also totally understand that people do OCI.

Even leaving aside visa issues, there isn't such a significant benefit to doing a judicial internship that it's worth passing on a paid firm job if that's what the OP would prefer. Judicial internships are just not some kind of ace in the hole. They're nice. Tons of people do them. They don't confer some amazing benefit.

Yes nobody is saying either is an ace in the hole, but I really don't think paid firm gig is better in any sense, especially now OP has to reject a federal judge. No matter how minimal the actual risk, it's just a pretty bad move- can't one keep his words after finalizing the last move? It's May, and OP is rejecting a judge. Assuming school is involved ( OP is doing that for credit so clinic / extenrship officers are involved for sure), unless OP is in dire need of money, choosing the firm is just a bad move.

1. Money
2. Sponsorship
3. (great?) chance at full time employment

Judicial externship gives you none of these. This is such a no-brainer and your posts in this thread are really dumb.

can't your little shitbird brain put in a bit of subtractions here.

1. a midly annoyed federal judge or a mildly annoyed admin staff in the chamber (they got tons of time to contact your school, especially the clinic officer.
and no further possibilities with that chamber and potentially any other judicial internship)
2. look like a huge disorganized mess, show a lack of ability to respect rules and orders
3. firm is not gonna be happy with OP doing OCI.

SO now that you're done hiding:

1. Doesn't matter unless a.) the school says 'screw it' to their own employment numbers by barring OP from participating in OCI AND b.) OP does not receive a borderline customary invitation back for 2L summer AND c.) OP strikes out mass mailing. Two of those things won't likely happen, but regardless, the odds of 1L SA turning into 2L SA turning into offer exceeds the odds of OCI turning into 2L SA turning into offer at any non-T14.
2. Tragic. Also irrelevant.
3. Firms with 1L SAs are fairly accustomed to OCI. I don't even know where this is coming from.

In other words, stop shitting up this thread.

[Anonymous User]

it's not that person is done hiding, it's that he/she got outed

[Serett]

it's not that person is done hiding, it's that he/she got outed

I am aware. For posting shitty, insulting, baseless things that did not require anonymity anonymously, you cowardly anon.

[ballouttacontrol]

I assumed all of the shitty advice in this thread was the same retard anon but apparently not smh

[mrs.miawallace]

that poor anon above is not me

[encore1101]

what firm is it seems like a joint venture of the punctillio of loyalty just formed.

what does this even mean

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