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[B.B. Homemaker]

I'm just not sure why that would be the case after the economic meltdown. I'm not saying it doesn't happen on a firm to firm level, maybe they call back more people as a recruiting strategy but an across the board decrease in callback to offer rates sounds strange over the past few years. But maybe I'm wrong. Just don't see the motivation behind it.

I think part of it is that people actually out in the workforce realize that we're through the recession but still economically meh. With these stupid low interest rates and cheap money, things should be booming, not just moderately adding a few jobs here and there. I'd bet firms are aware that there's some underlying instability and are trying to avoid another round of highly public layoffs by being pretty conservative in hiring in the meantime.

And yeah, notgreat, someone sent me stuff from past years.

[Anonymous User]

6 callbacks, 3 NY, 3 smaller regional market with weak to passable ties. 0 offers. I'm at a T7 (I think, don't care about that anymore), have decent grades, and am pretty personable. Work experience is interesting and relevant. I write like a boss and have some diversity things going for me.

what type of work experience .

Work abroad, biglaw marketing, preftigious government gig this past summer.

Does decent mean top 25% or better?

Noap. Not top of the class, but all things considered, grades shouldn't be a total bar for the firms I've been targeting, from the school I'm at.

[Anonymous User]

Post as much info as you feel comfortable posting, and I'll tell you what you are doing wrong.

Try to include: target market, targeted practice group, class rank, school, how many places you mass mailed, interview strategy, etc. etc.

We get it DF, you work in Big Law

I wonder how many of DF's interviewees are reading this forum right now.

[Anonymous User]

Out of curiosity, if you interview with 4 people (2 partners + 2 associates) on a CB and go to lunch with 2 associates, how many yeses do you need to get in order to get an offer?

[Anonymous User]

What does it mean if you interview with only 3 people, followed by 2 people lunches (and everyone else had 4 people)?

I know scheduling might be a reason but is it possible they already met their yield?

[Desert Fox]

What does it mean if you interview with only 3 people, followed by 2 people lunches (and everyone else had 4 people)?

I know scheduling might be a reason but is it possible they already met their yield?

No, its just scheduling

[Anonymous User]

hi DF. i have a question that might be related to why i struck out at OCI.

if a [male] partner you have a screener with struck you as a closeted homosexual, and you really hammed it up gay-baiting in your screener, should you continue that charade at your CB or tone it down? TYIA

[Desert Fox]

hi DF. i have a question that might be related to why i struck out at OCI.

if a [male] partner you have a screener with struck you as a closeted homosexual, and you really hammed it up gay-baiting in your screener, should you continue that charade at your CB or tone it down? TYIA

turn down for what

[Anonymous User]

Lower T14
Top 25% of Class
looking for Transactional
75% NYC, 25% DC
Ties in both places
2/10 NYC
0/1 DC

How can my offer rate be so abysmal and why haven't I heard anything from DC for three weeks? I had a DC partner literally say that he would be in touch by the end of the week with a CB offer and then I got a snail mail rejection letter three weeks later...

[jbagelboy]

Lower T14
Top 25% of Class
looking for Transactional
75% NYC, 25% DC
Ties in both places
2/10 NYC
0/1 DC

How can my offer rate be so abysmal and why haven't I heard anything from DC for three weeks? I had a DC partner literally say that he would be in touch by the end of the week with a CB offer and then I got a snail mail rejection letter three weeks later...

is 2 offers what passes for "striking out" these days?

[Anonymous User]

Lower T14
Top 25% of Class
looking for Transactional
75% NYC, 25% DC
Ties in both places
2/10 NYC
0/1 DC

How can my offer rate be so abysmal and why haven't I heard anything from DC for three weeks? I had a DC partner literally say that he would be in touch by the end of the week with a CB offer and then I got a snail mail rejection letter three weeks later...

is 2 offers what passes for "striking out" these days?

Striking out in DC was my problem, mostly... I really would have preferred that over NYC, but I could only find so many firms that even pretended to have a transactional practice.

[baal hadad]

Lower T14
Top 25% of Class
looking for Transactional
75% NYC, 25% DC
Ties in both places
2/10 NYC
0/1 DC

How can my offer rate be so abysmal and why haven't I heard anything from DC for three weeks? I had a DC partner literally say that he would be in touch by the end of the week with a CB offer and then I got a snail mail rejection letter three weeks later...

is 2 offers what passes for "striking out" these days?

Striking out in DC was my problem, mostly... I really would have preferred that over NYC, but I could only find so many firms that even pretended to have a transactional practice.

You didnt strike out u retard

[El Pollito]

lol

[goden]

i mass mailed a chicago firm and didn't get it. strong corp interest although the chicago firm didn't have a corporate department, lol. 8/10 in NY tho (and going to a V7).

tell me why i struck out in chicago

[B.B. Homemaker]

lol

[patogordo]

i mass mailed a chicago firm and didn't get it. strong corp interest although the chicago firm didn't have a corporate department, lol. 8/10 in NY tho (and going to a V7).

tell me why i struck out in chicago

the legal community is tight-knit. someone in chicago probably heard you were interviewing outside the V6 and immediately shredded your resume.

[jbagelboy]

Lower T14
Top 25% of Class
looking for Transactional
75% NYC, 25% DC
Ties in both places
2/10 NYC
0/1 DC

How can my offer rate be so abysmal and why haven't I heard anything from DC for three weeks? I had a DC partner literally say that he would be in touch by the end of the week with a CB offer and then I got a snail mail rejection letter three weeks later...

is 2 offers what passes for "striking out" these days?

Striking out in DC was my problem, mostly... I really would have preferred that over NYC, but I could only find so many firms that even pretended to have a transactional practice.

basically everyone strikes out in DC. Even the larger firms take like 6-10 SA's. Come on man. Congrats on the offers

[Anonymous User]

is 2 offers what passes for "striking out" these days?

Striking out in DC was my problem, mostly... I really would have preferred that over NYC, but I could only find so many firms that even pretended to have a transactional practice.

basically everyone strikes out in DC. Even the larger firms take like 6-10 SA's. Come on man. Congrats on the offers

Can confirm. Top 5% at CCN, got butchered in DC even with a strong story about regulatory work.

Also c'mon dude you did not strike out. And lol at DC transactional. Is that a thing? Some of the places I was looking at did like antitrust M&A advising out of their DC branch but that was about the extent.

[Desert Fox]

Lower T14
Top 25% of Class
looking for Transactional
75% NYC, 25% DC
Ties in both places
2/10 NYC
0/1 DC

How can my offer rate be so abysmal and why haven't I heard anything from DC for three weeks? I had a DC partner literally say that he would be in touch by the end of the week with a CB offer and then I got a snail mail rejection letter three weeks later...

is 2 offers what passes for "striking out" these days?

Striking out in DC was my problem, mostly... I really would have preferred that over NYC, but I could only find so many firms that even pretended to have a transactional practice.

if you went 2/11 on call backs that sorta sucks, but getting 11 cbs is pretty damn good. You did only somewhat below par.

You didn't get DC because

1) Your grades are way too low.

2) DC barely has tranactional work.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

Lower T14
Top 25% of Class
looking for Transactional
75% NYC, 25% DC
Ties in both places
2/10 NYC
0/1 DC

How can my offer rate be so abysmal and why haven't I heard anything from DC for three weeks? I had a DC partner literally say that he would be in touch by the end of the week with a CB offer and then I got a snail mail rejection letter three weeks later...

1. If you think getting two offers but not converting the one callback you had in the country's toughest legal market is striking out, talk to someone who actually struck out and see how long it takes for them to punch you in the face.

2. Your offer rate might suck because you're tone-deaf; see e.g. #1.

3. Why the fuck does every law student want to work in DC despite the fact that 95% of the work DC does are things students claim not to be interested in? It's seriously baffling. I mean what the fuck is going through the head of someone who wants to do transactional work applying to DC at all? Is this just a product of every single Poli Sci major doing an internship on the Hill when they were 19 and deciding that was relevant to where they base their entire legal career or what?

[jbagelboy]

Lower T14
Top 25% of Class
looking for Transactional
75% NYC, 25% DC
Ties in both places
2/10 NYC
0/1 DC

How can my offer rate be so abysmal and why haven't I heard anything from DC for three weeks? I had a DC partner literally say that he would be in touch by the end of the week with a CB offer and then I got a snail mail rejection letter three weeks later...

1. If you think getting two offers but not converting the one callback you had in the country's toughest legal market is striking out, talk to someone who actually struck out and see how long it takes for them to punch you in the face.

2. Your offer rate might suck because you're tone-deaf; see e.g. #1.

3. Why the fuck does every law student want to work in DC despite the fact that 95% of the work DC does are things students claim not to be interested in? It's seriously baffling. I mean what the fuck is going through the head of someone who wants to do transactional work applying to DC at all? Is this just a product of every single Poli Sci major doing an internship on the Hill when they were 19 and deciding that was relevant to where they base their entire legal career or what?

it's gotta be the barbecue. that house of cards shit

[wiz]

Lower T14
Top 25% of Class
looking for Transactional
75% NYC, 25% DC
Ties in both places
2/10 NYC
0/1 DC

How can my offer rate be so abysmal and why haven't I heard anything from DC for three weeks? I had a DC partner literally say that he would be in touch by the end of the week with a CB offer and then I got a snail mail rejection letter three weeks later...

1. If you think getting two offers but not converting the one callback you had in the country's toughest legal market is striking out, talk to someone who actually struck out and see how long it takes for them to punch you in the face.

2. Your offer rate might suck because you're tone-deaf; see e.g. #1.

3. Why the fuck does every law student want to work in DC despite the fact that 95% of the work DC does are things students claim not to be interested in? It's seriously baffling. I mean what the fuck is going through the head of someone who wants to do transactional work applying to DC at all? Is this just a product of every single Poli Sci major doing an internship on the Hill when they were 19 and deciding that was relevant to where they base their entire legal career or what?

Because working in NY blows, and DC is the only other place where you arguably don't need strong ties.

[Anonymous User]

Also c'mon dude you did not strike out. And lol at DC transactional. Is that a thing? Some of the places I was looking at did like antitrust M&A advising out of their DC branch but that was about the extent.

this.

[JCougar]

4/6 in SF~PA
3/4 in DC
0 in Chicago
t14 33% IP WHY DOES CHICAGO HATE ME

Because Chicago IP = dead

at least I think. I did similarly awful in Chicago IP market. I only got like 1 offer there after heavily bidding it.

Chicago everything = dead.

Today I was going through file drawers for 8 hours (discovery) with a new unpaid fellow from c/o 2014. Before I knew his school, he started complaining about how the job market was pure shit, but he did mention striking out at interviews for a few prestigious jobs, so I knew it was somewhere at least decent. He went to C.

I've seen two job openings in the entire last year in my practice area for less than 2 years of experience.

Lesson: Don't be a moron and make Chicago your main target, and don't waste your time taking the IL bar exam unless you already have something lined up.

[FKASunny]

I really hope that by T14, he meant GULC