What do people mean by dream firm? Forum

[seizmaar]

I think people are pointing out that law students are overly optimistic about dream jobs/firms/careers. When you're actually practicing and reality sets in as you're crying at your desk, you won't be quite so optimistic anymore.

You people are absolutely insufferable. You make a lot of money. There are worse jobs in the world. Stop the incessant complaining about a career path you voluntarily chose.

I read that biglaw associates don't make any more than mcdonald's employees if you equalize for hours worked

[Man from Nantucket]

I think people are pointing out that law students are overly optimistic about dream jobs/firms/careers. When you're actually practicing and reality sets in as you're crying at your desk, you won't be quite so optimistic anymore.

You people are absolutely insufferable. You make a lot of money. There are worse jobs in the world. Stop the incessant complaining about a career path you voluntarily chose.

I read that biglaw associates don't make any more than mcdonald's employees if you equalize for hours worked

$160,000 / 2,000 hours = $80/hour

$160,000 / 3,000 hours = $53.33/hour

[nsideirish]

I think people are pointing out that law students are overly optimistic about dream jobs/firms/careers. When you're actually practicing and reality sets in as you're crying at your desk, you won't be quite so optimistic anymore.

You people are absolutely insufferable. You make a lot of money. There are worse jobs in the world. Stop the incessant complaining about a career path you voluntarily chose.

I read that biglaw associates don't make any more than mcdonald's employees if you equalize for hours worked

Lol. A biglaw lawyer would have to work appx. 18,500 hours annually for this to be true.

[seizmaar]

I thought obama boosted minimum wage to like $65 or is that just SEATAC?

[EngageEight]

I think people are pointing out that law students are overly optimistic about dream jobs/firms/careers. When you're actually practicing and reality sets in as you're crying at your desk, you won't be quite so optimistic anymore.

You people are absolutely insufferable. You make a lot of money. There are worse jobs in the world. Stop the incessant complaining about a career path you voluntarily chose.

I read that biglaw associates don't make any more than mcdonald's employees if you equalize for hours worked

Lol. A biglaw lawyer would have to work appx. 18,500 hours annually for this to be true.

Technically Donald Thompson is an employee of McDonalds.

[kcdc1]

Would anyone doing lit in DC not choose W&C if they had the option? DF nailed it.

I want to do lit in DC but declined my CB at W&C because I am fond of the idea of seeing my family and the sun at the same time.

enjoy never seeing the sun from inside a shittier firm

Perhaps so, but I like my chances of seeing the sun better at a midlaw boutique than at W&C.

[Anonymous User]

I think people are pointing out that law students are overly optimistic about dream jobs/firms/careers. When you're actually practicing and reality sets in as you're crying at your desk, you won't be quite so optimistic anymore.

You people are absolutely insufferable. You make a lot of money. There are worse jobs in the world. Stop the incessant complaining about a career path you voluntarily chose.

+1. It is annoying as hell and not helpful in the slightest. I worked my ass off for 3 years prior to law school at a startup and averaged 60k a year. 160k for slightly longer hours sounds pretty fucking good. The whole "woe is me I am in the top 2% of income and have to work hard" attitude is entitled and childish.

we get it. you work in big law and work a lot of hours. no need to keep alluding to it in every other thread.

[gk101]

I think people are pointing out that law students are overly optimistic about dream jobs/firms/careers. When you're actually practicing and reality sets in as you're crying at your desk, you won't be quite so optimistic anymore.

You people are absolutely insufferable. You make a lot of money. There are worse jobs in the world. Stop the incessant complaining about a career path you voluntarily chose.

+1. It is annoying as hell and not helpful in the slightest. I worked my ass off for 3 years prior to law school at a startup and averaged 60k a year. 160k for slightly longer hours sounds pretty fucking good. The whole "woe is me I am in the top 2% of income and have to work hard" attitude is entitled and childish.

you are retarded if you think people bitch about biglaw because it requires hard work. The long hours are a factor but there is so much more to what makes biglaw a miserable existence for a lot of people

[Anonymous User]

I think people are pointing out that law students are overly optimistic about dream jobs/firms/careers. When you're actually practicing and reality sets in as you're crying at your desk, you won't be quite so optimistic anymore.

You people are absolutely insufferable. You make a lot of money. There are worse jobs in the world. Stop the incessant complaining about a career path you voluntarily chose.

+1. It is annoying as hell and not helpful in the slightest. I worked my ass off for 3 years prior to law school at a startup and averaged 60k a year. 160k for slightly longer hours sounds pretty fucking good. The whole "woe is me I am in the top 2% of income and have to work hard" attitude is entitled and childish.

you are retarded if you think people bitch about biglaw because it requires hard work. The long hours are a factor but there is so much more to what makes biglaw a miserable existence for a lot of people

what are the factors that are unique to big law that are not present in other high stakes professional jobs?

[Actus Reus]

I think people are pointing out that law students are overly optimistic about dream jobs/firms/careers. When you're actually practicing and reality sets in as you're crying at your desk, you won't be quite so optimistic anymore.

You people are absolutely insufferable. You make a lot of money. There are worse jobs in the world. Stop the incessant complaining about a career path you voluntarily chose.

+1. It is annoying as hell and not helpful in the slightest. I worked my ass off for 3 years prior to law school at a startup and averaged 60k a year. 160k for slightly longer hours sounds pretty fucking good. The whole "woe is me I am in the top 2% of income and have to work hard" attitude is entitled and childish.

we get it. you work in big law and work a lot of hours. no need to keep alluding to it in every other thread.

QF 5 years from now.

[Rahviveh]

Would anyone doing lit in DC not choose W&C if they had the option? DF nailed it.

I want to do lit in DC but declined my CB at W&C because I am fond of the idea of seeing my family and the sun at the same time.

enjoy never seeing the sun from inside a shittier firm

Perhaps so, but I like my chances of seeing the sun better at a midlaw boutique than at W&C.

What is a mid law boutique

[seizmaar]

what are the factors that are unique to big law that are not present in other high stakes professional jobs?

I once had to wait behind two people to use the keurig bc I didn't wanna walk to another lounge to use one of the other ones

[gk101]

what are the factors that are unique to big law that are not present in other high stakes professional jobs?

you are forced to work with and be around other lawyers all the time

[Anonymous User]

what are the factors that are unique to big law that are not present in other high stakes professional jobs?

you are forced to work with and be around other lawyers all the time

lol fair enough. accountants, consultants and bankers suck too though.

accidental anon

[baal hadad]

Would anyone doing lit in DC not choose W&C if they had the option? DF nailed it.

I want to do lit in DC but declined my CB at W&C because I am fond of the idea of seeing my family and the sun at the same time.

enjoy never seeing the sun from inside a shittier firm

Perhaps so, but I like my chances of seeing the sun better at a midlaw boutique than at W&C.

A work at a boutique that does work on behalf of corporate clients in a specialized industry

Billable req is 2000 hrs/yr so not cravath but it's a lot of work

More experiences associates can bill like 2200 tho

So no just saying "I'm gonna do a 'mid law boutique' [wtf]" is not the answer

[kcdc1]

A work at a boutique that does work on behalf of corporate clients in a specialized industry

Billable req is 2000 hrs/yr so not cravath but it's a lot of work

More experiences associates can bill like 2200 tho

2000-2200 is an admittedly heavy workload, but it's also comparable to what professionals in other industries face.

[First Offense]

A work at a boutique that does work on behalf of corporate clients in a specialized industry

Billable req is 2000 hrs/yr so not cravath but it's a lot of work

More experiences associates can bill like 2200 tho

2000-2200 is an admittedly heavy workload, but it's also comparable to what professionals in other industries face.

2000 is 40 hours billed in a week. Didn't that Yale study show that about 75% of hours worked are billed? So what does that mean... average is ~2600 hours worked to get 2k billed or so. That's only like 50 hours a week...

Something must be wrong here. Someone that knows math help me out.

Edit: I guess this assumes steady workflow.

[Cogburn87]

And like a lot of dreams there's a monster at the end of it.

[FKASunny]

I want more dream lateral firms from you associates

[baal hadad]

I want more dream lateral firms from you associates

Usao or a govt job where I can get paid to browse the net

[FKASunny]

I want more dream lateral firms from you associates

Usao or a govt job where I can get paid to browse the net

Sorry, not a socialist

[gk101]

I want more dream lateral firms from you associates

government?

ETA: scooped. But it really is the dream to go work for the government

[B.B. Homemaker]

I want more dream lateral firms from you associates

government?

Seriously. Interviewers always wistfully sigh when I talk about my past work experience in the government.

[anyriotgirl]

I want more dream lateral firms from you associates

Usao or a govt job where I can get paid to browse the net

Sorry, not a socialist

is this a plus when applying for gov't jobs?

[DELG]

+1. It is annoying as hell and not helpful in the slightest. I worked my ass off for 3 years prior to law school at a startup and averaged 60k a year. 160k for slightly longer hours sounds pretty fucking good. The whole "woe is me I am in the top 2% of income and have to work hard" attitude is entitled and childish.

we get it. you work in big law and work a lot of hours. no need to keep alluding to it in every other thread.

I don't think I have ever, ever complained about my hours on here. The hours are not what makes it suck. I don't know how many times I have to say that, but that's not the thing that makes it suck.