What firms would you take over Cravath? Forum

[dixiecupdrinking]

Agreed!!

Why are people so into Cravath? It sounds like the worst.

I forget where I read it, but somebody once said Cravath is a place for people who love the law and hate everyone, and everything, else.

I almost worked there. If you want to be intense about lawying it's a good place to go to be intense about lawying.

Anecdotally, this seems right to me. It also seems like a description of a place where most people will be miserable, including me. So to answer the OP's question, I would go to literally any firm that would be less likely to make me miserable. YMMV.

[Anonymous User]

As someone heavily considering accepting a cravath offer, I am scared. I recognize you will work hard but it seems you learn a lot and will have great options (not necessarily better than v10 counterparts) after a few years. I went into my cb extremely apprehensive but I was surprised with how cool everyone was. No one hid how much they work, either. Am I crazy for considering cravath ?

[Anonymous User]

I would go to several much lower ranked yet awesome firms such as Schulte over Cravath. Cravath just doesn't fit my personality...didn't even apply there.

Of course, there are people whose values line up perfectly with Cravath's. To those people, I say good for them. But Cravath sure as hell isn't for me.

[KidStuddi]

I would go to several much lower ranked yet awesome firms such as Schulte over Cravath. Cravath just doesn't fit my personality...didn't even apply there.

Of course, there are people whose values line up perfectly with Cravath's. To those people, I say good for them. But Cravath sure as hell isn't for me.

Odds on this being the same guy from the other SRZ thread? I'm going with >95%

[Morgan12Oak]

flaming in the other thread was a bit egregious with SRZ, but SRZ really has to be leading the conversation if you want to work in funds or hedge fund work. SRZ is like the Williams and Connelly of funds work, so i think its a bit egregious to say it generically, SRZ is certainly a Williams and Connelly-type boutique for certain practice areas

[Law Sauce]

flaming in the other thread was a bit egregious with SRZ, but SRZ really has to be leading the conversation if you want to work in funds or hedge fund work. SRZ is like Williams and Connelly for funds work, so i think its a bit egregious to say it generically, SRZ is certainly a Williams and Connelly-type boutique for certain practice areas

Lol, and if you get placed in another practice area....

Not the same level firm as Cravath.

[Morgan12Oak]

flaming in the other thread was a bit egregious with SRZ, but SRZ really has to be leading the conversation if you want to work in funds or hedge fund work. SRZ is like Williams and Connelly for funds work, so i think its a bit egregious to say it generically, SRZ is certainly a Williams and Connelly-type boutique for certain practice areas

Lol, and if you get placed in another practice area....

Not the same level firm as Cravath.

Obviously. Don't really see what this response adds, you're arguing a point no one was refuting. Just saying if you want to do funds work and you get in their funds group, you're better off than going to a V5 doing funds work.

[thesealocust]

Threads like this are why we (broadly defined; like, the entire profession) can't have nice things.

Ambition is probably good, but it just blows up in everyone's face in law.

RANK EVERYTHING THEN ARGUE ABOUT IT BZZZ.

[09042014]

flaming in the other thread was a bit egregious with SRZ, but SRZ really has to be leading the conversation if you want to work in funds or hedge fund work. SRZ is like Williams and Connelly for funds work, so i think its a bit egregious to say it generically, SRZ is certainly a Williams and Connelly-type boutique for certain practice areas

Lol, and if you get placed in another practice area....

Not the same level firm as Cravath.

Obviously. Don't really see what this response adds, you're arguing a point no one was refuting. Just saying if you want to do funds work and you get in their funds group, you're better off than going to a V5 doing funds work.

Having one good practice group doesn't make it an "awesome" firm.

Is FREED FRANK the GOAT Dirt Law firm?

[09042014]

I don't think NYC is worth it. I think they treat you worse than slaves cause at least slaves are your property. You are a rental car.

[philepistemer]

flaming in the other thread was a bit egregious with SRZ, but SRZ really has to be leading the conversation if you want to work in funds or hedge fund work. SRZ is like Williams and Connelly for funds work, so i think its a bit egregious to say it generically, SRZ is certainly a Williams and Connelly-type boutique for certain practice areas

Lol, and if you get placed in another practice area....

Not the same level firm as Cravath.

Obviously. Don't really see what this response adds, you're arguing a point no one was refuting. Just saying if you want to do funds work and you get in their funds group, you're better off than going to a V5 doing funds work.

Saying Schulte is the Williams and Connelly of funds work is like saying Fitzgerald Law Firm is the Williams and Connelly of personal injury lit.

[Old Gregg]

Saying Schulte is the Williams and Connelly of funds work is like saying Fitzgerald Law Firm is the Williams and Connelly of personal injury lit.

CR. and this is really a dumb argument to have in the first place.

[Morgan12Oak]

flaming in the other thread was a bit egregious with SRZ, but SRZ really has to be leading the conversation if you want to work in funds or hedge fund work. SRZ is like Williams and Connelly for funds work, so i think its a bit egregious to say it generically, SRZ is certainly a Williams and Connelly-type boutique for certain practice areas

Lol, and if you get placed in another practice area....

Not the same level firm as Cravath.

Obviously. Don't really see what this response adds, you're arguing a point no one was refuting. Just saying if you want to do funds work and you get in their funds group, you're better off than going to a V5 doing funds work.

Saying Schulte is the Williams and Connelly of funds work is like saying Fitzgerald Law Firm is the Williams and Connelly of personal injury lit.

Probably, it's just saying you're the best at your particular practice area/niche. Like saying your post is the Williams and Connelly of posts that are anonymous for no reason

[Morgan12Oak]

Saying Schulte is the Williams and Connelly of funds work is like saying Fitzgerald Law Firm is the Williams and Connelly of personal injury lit.

CR. and this is really a dumb argument to have in the first place.

Don't see how it's dumb but enlighten us

[Old Gregg]

who goes to law school knowing they want to do hedge fund legal work? who there actually even knows what hedge fund legal work entails?

because from the hedge fund work that ive done, it sucks.

i realize that the practice group sounds cool and prestigious and shit, but really youve gotta think about ur life here.

i think the V5 firms in general are great places to start your career. you're fresh out of law school, most of you have NO IDEA what you want to do or what you would like to end up doing, etc. V5 firms are great because they're excellent in many broad areas so it lets you sample what you feel you'd want to do, and if you end up realizing you like something a little niche, not hard to use the brand name and experiences to move to a firm that does what you really want to do.

but seriously, if i was interviewing for SRZ's hedge fund practice and met a law student who said they really want to work in that practice group... unless they gave a really, really good answer to my question of "why?" id immediately think they're full of shit. absurd.

[Anonymous User]

The SRZ troll is amazing.

[Mal Reynolds]

The SRZ troll is amazing.

Whoops. This was me.

[Old Gregg]

Probably, it's just saying you're the best at your particular practice area/niche. Like saying your post is the Williams and Connelly of posts that are anonymous for no reason

So the similarity ends there, right? like SRZ is the W&C of hedge funds just like the miami heat are the W&C of basketball?

[Anonymous User]

As someone heavily considering accepting a cravath offer, I am scared. I recognize you will work hard but it seems you learn a lot and will have great options (not necessarily better than v10 counterparts) after a few years. I went into my cb extremely apprehensive but I was surprised with how cool everyone was. No one hid how much they work, either. Am I crazy for considering cravath ?

Can anyone comment on this?

[Morgan12Oak]

who goes to law school knowing they want to do hedge fund legal work? who there actually even knows what hedge fund legal work entails?

because from the hedge fund work that ive done, it sucks.

i realize that the practice group sounds cool and prestigious and shit, but really youve gotta think about ur life here.

i think the V5 firms in general are great places to start your career. you're fresh out of law school, most of you have NO IDEA what you want to do or what you would like to end up doing, etc. V5 firms are great because they're excellent in many broad areas so it lets you sample what you feel you'd want to do, and if you end up realizing you like something a little niche, not hard to use the brand name and experiences to move to a firm that does what you really want to do.

but seriously, if i was interviewing for SRZ's hedge fund practice and met a law student who said they really want to work in that practice group... unless they gave a really, really good answer to my question of "why?" id immediately think they're full of shit. absurd.

You're operating on the assumption that theres no one out there that knows they want to do hedge fund legal work (and know what the hedge fund legal work entails). That's a fine assumption but it has nothing to do with what I've been saying.

My argument was literally "Schulte is the Williams and Connelly of funds work" and you said that "was a really dumb argument." How in the fuck is that a dumb argument because of the assumption above? Your basis for calling the argument dumb is completely irrelevant and retarded. My original argument stands as I previously said and that is simply that SRZ is the best law firm for funds work. Has NOTHING to do with whether someone knows they want to do hedge fund legal work at all.

[Old Gregg]

As someone heavily considering accepting a cravath offer, I am scared. I recognize you will work hard but it seems you learn a lot and will have great options (not necessarily better than v10 counterparts) after a few years. I went into my cb extremely apprehensive but I was surprised with how cool everyone was. No one hid how much they work, either. Am I crazy for considering cravath ?

Can anyone comment on this?

jesus dude. think for yourself. if you liked it, then go. there literally is no other element to consider here.

[Old Gregg]

My argument was literally "Schulte is the Williams and Connelly of funds work" and you said that "was a really dumb argument." How in the fuck is that a dumb argument because of the assumption above? Your basis for calling the argument dumb is completely irrelevant and retarded. My original argument stands as I previously said and that is simply that SRZ is the best law firm for funds work. Has NOTHING to do with whether someone knows they want to do hedge fund legal work at all.

that post wasnt in response to you moron.

[Morgan12Oak]

As someone heavily considering accepting a cravath offer, I am scared. I recognize you will work hard but it seems you learn a lot and will have great options (not necessarily better than v10 counterparts) after a few years. I went into my cb extremely apprehensive but I was surprised with how cool everyone was. No one hid how much they work, either. Am I crazy for considering cravath ?

Can anyone comment on this?

jesus dude. think for yourself. if you liked it, then go. there literally is no other element to consider here.

Accept it probably. You'll work the same at the other law firms you're considering. You may get yelled at more, but it really doesn't matter. All of the law firms are fungible unless you really are set on a practice group where a law firm sets itself apart (i.e. if you couldn't tell like SRZ and hedge fund work)

[El Pollito]

This is amazing. More please.

[Morgan12Oak]

Probably, it's just saying you're the best at your particular practice area/niche. Like saying your post is the Williams and Connelly of posts that are anonymous for no reason

So the similarity ends there, right? like SRZ is the W&C of hedge funds just like the miami heat are the W&C of basketball?

Depends on the time frame you're looking at; maybe be more like Celtics/Lakers are the W&C of basketball if you're talking about pedigree. That's the only similarity though really SRZ and W&C have nothing in common besides the fact that they are the best at a particular practice area.