Choosing an offer within the V10 Forum

[sideroxylon]

Just say the firms and your practice area interests if you want people to discuss whatever minor differences exist. If you don't want to do that for whatever reason then type the firms into the search box at the bottom of this page, as every V10ish firm has been compared to every other V-10ish firm at some point on this site.

OP here. Reason for the ambiguity is that I'm not looking for specific differences, I'm really only concerned about whether and to what degree the rankings themselves correlate to anything I should care about. If they just don't matter then that's great info too.

I mean I guess they kind of correlate to NYC corporate reputations. But they don't really matter in and of themselves, which is why people flip out when someone asks about rankings. For corporate, Cravath and Cleary are basically equal but both are better than Covington. But they aren't better because V10 is automatically better than V11.

Also worth saying clearly for OP: if you're interested in lit, Vault rankings are pretty meaningless.

[Old Gregg]

FIERCE argument ITT singlehandedly demonstrate why deciding between law firms solely based on Vault rankings is stupid.

Can we end this dumb thread now?

There have already been 3 "This is dumb posts" in this thread. Please, don't be a douche and try to contribute.

Thanks man. I got your sarcasm in one of your prior posts. Try not falling over while trying too hard.

Just try to live up to the bullshit metrics you retardedly try to impose on others. Oh, and please don't out me.

Yeah, I obviously wasn't setting a hard line at "three." It's almost like you're looking for a book when someone says it's the oldest joke in it.

[Anonymous User]

ITT a lot of jealous people? Since when has TLS been so hostile to people with prestigious law firm offers?

On the other hand, OP--You are a dumbass. Seriously. Odds are that the firms you are deciding between have been dissected many, many times on this forum already. Just use the search function to search for the firm at which you have an offer, and odds are you will find threads contemplating the exact decision you're trying to make.

And as an aside, you can't expect us to possibly give you any advice without knowing the specific firms or your intended practice group.

Finally:

and I don't think it affects much aside from exit options.

False. Within the V10, what'll influence your exits (aside from being at WLRK, which is the only real exception) are your experiences and practice group. If you're a doc review idiot at S&C, good luck to you. But if you're running deals as a junior, go forth and gun my friend.

OP here - thanks for the ill-founded ad hominem attack! I am not deciding on prestige - (y'know, what I actually SAID in my original post) - I have looked at damn near everything from compensation structure, training, practice area strengths, the people and reputation of the firm in the region I want to practice, summer program and early career development, experience from individuals who have left, etc. I'm not so delusional as to think that I'll be making partner at any of the V10 firms - so I want to plan for alternatives, and I don't know to what extent, if at all, the rankings matter.

[Neal Patrick Harris]

FIERCE argument ITT singlehandedly demonstrate why deciding between law firms solely based on Vault rankings is stupid.

Can we end this dumb thread now?

There have already been 3 "This is dumb posts" in this thread. Please, don't be a douche and try to contribute.

Thanks man. I got your sarcasm in one of your prior posts. Try not falling over while trying too hard.

So much BM ITT :lol:

[bjsesq]

Yeah, I obviously wasn't setting a hard line at "three." It's almost like you're looking for a book when someone says it's the oldest joke in it.

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your tone deaf head

[Old Gregg]

FIERCE argument ITT singlehandedly demonstrate why deciding between law firms solely based on Vault rankings is stupid.

Can we end this dumb thread now?

There have already been 3 "This is dumb posts" in this thread. Please, don't be a douche and try to contribute.

Never really understood ppl who come into threads to say shit like "this is dumb, can we end this thread" as if like this thread getting more posts somehow takes away from his bandwidth or something lmao. Like you come into a thread to read a bunch of posts just to comment on how dumb it is? Surely you got better things to do I'd hope.

Curious what happens if he/she reads a thread that they agree with, will the post be "oh what a scholar!" instead?

I don't crib from xo nearly as much as a lot of other people here do, so that wouldn't be my response, no.

But more to the point, you are the poster ITT who said this:

Short story - if you're going to get butt fucked, you want to get butt fucked by someone with a bigger name. For instance, if you had to get butt fucked, you'd much prefer to get it from Leonardo DiCaprio than Daniel Radcliffe.

...so I guess that means no one here has to take you seriously.

[Old Gregg]

Yeah, I obviously wasn't setting a hard line at "three." It's almost like you're looking for a book when someone says it's the oldest joke in it.

point

your tone deaf head

Holy shit, you got me there. I'm tone deaf!

You're now directly criticizing my broader point (instead of passive aggressively pussy-footing around the bush like you did before this) that the "TLS Pile On (tm)" is stupid? Not really a battle worth fighting dude, because I'm right. I guess it feels good to participate in a large circle of jerking; you'll have a sore dick by the end of the day, but the climax(es) were definitely worth it. So I guess I should stop criticizing.

[bjsesq]

Yeah, I obviously wasn't setting a hard line at "three." It's almost like you're looking for a book when someone says it's the oldest joke in it.

point

your tone deaf head

Holy shit, you got me there. I'm tone deaf!

You're now directly criticizing my broader point (instead of passive aggressively pussy-footing around the bush like you did before this) that the "TLS Pile On (tm)" is stupid? Not really a battle worth fighting dude, because I'm right. I guess it feels good to participate in a large circle of jerking; you'll have a sore dick by the end of the day, but the climax(es) were definitely worth it. So I guess I should stop criticizing.

But when you participate in the same sort of fucking behavior you just goddamn criticized, you are somehow exempt from it. Your holier than thou shtick is tired.

[baal hadad]

ITT a lot of jealous people? Since when has TLS been so hostile to people with prestigious law firm offers?

On the other hand, OP--You are a dumbass. Seriously. Odds are that the firms you are deciding between have been dissected many, many times on this forum already. Just use the search function to search for the firm at which you have an offer, and odds are you will find threads contemplating the exact decision you're trying to make.

And as an aside, you can't expect us to possibly give you any advice without knowing the specific firms or your intended practice group.

Finally:

and I don't think it affects much aside from exit options.

False. Within the V10, what'll influence your exits (aside from being at WLRK, which is the only real exception) are your experiences and practice group. If you're a doc review idiot at S&C, good luck to you. But if you're running deals as a junior, go forth and gun my friend.

OP here - thanks for the ill-founded ad hominem attack! I am not deciding on prestige - (y'know, what I actually SAID in my original post) - I have looked at damn near everything from compensation structure, training, practice area strengths, the people and reputation of the firm in the region I want to practice, summer program and early career development, experience from individuals who have left, etc. I'm not so delusional as to think that I'll be making partner at any of the V10 firms - so I want to plan for alternatives, and I don't know to what extent, if at all, the rankings matter.

I think people can be forgiven for disbelieving you when you said you weren't trying to decide based on prestige. After all the only relevant criteria listed in your op are the vault rankings, which purport to create a ranking solely based on prestige.

[baal hadad]

This is a good thread

[Old Gregg]

But when you participate in the same sort of fucking behavior you just goddamn criticized, you are somehow exempt from it. Your holier than thou shtick is tired.

...and your shtick about shticks is dumb? I mean, who gives a shit? Hypocrisy doesn't invalidate a point.

[Morgan12Oak]

But more to the point, you are the poster ITT who said this:

Short story - if you're going to get butt fucked, you want to get butt fucked by someone with a bigger name. For instance, if you had to get butt fucked, you'd much prefer to get it from Leonardo DiCaprio than Daniel Radcliffe.

...so I guess that means no one here has to take you seriously.

For one, egregious Daniel Radcliffe trolling - this point should not be controversial at all... don't know about you but if you had to get a dick in your ass it might as well be one that's more well respected in the community. If you can't see that analogy i dunno what to tell you.

[bjsesq]

But when you participate in the same sort of fucking behavior you just goddamn criticized, you are somehow exempt from it. Your holier than thou shtick is tired.

...and your shtick about shticks is dumb? I mean, who gives a shit? Hypocrisy doesn't invalidate a point.

No, but it really captures you as a person.

(get upset about other people's behavior)
(do the same behavior)
(what? what's the problem?)

[baal hadad]

But more to the point, you are the poster ITT who said this:

Short story - if you're going to get butt fucked, you want to get butt fucked by someone with a bigger name. For instance, if you had to get butt fucked, you'd much prefer to get it from Leonardo DiCaprio than Daniel Radcliffe.

...so I guess that means no one here has to take you seriously.

For one, egregious Daniel Radcliffe trolling - this point should not be controversial at all... don't know about you but if you had to get a dick in your ass it might as well be one that's more well respected in the community. If you can't see that analogy i dunno what to tell you.

What is your fascination with buggery

[Anonymous User]

ITT a lot of jealous people? Since when has TLS been so hostile to people with prestigious law firm offers?

On the other hand, OP--You are a dumbass. Seriously. Odds are that the firms you are deciding between have been dissected many, many times on this forum already. Just use the search function to search for the firm at which you have an offer, and odds are you will find threads contemplating the exact decision you're trying to make.

And as an aside, you can't expect us to possibly give you any advice without knowing the specific firms or your intended practice group.

Finally:

and I don't think it affects much aside from exit options.

False. Within the V10, what'll influence your exits (aside from being at WLRK, which is the only real exception) are your experiences and practice group. If you're a doc review idiot at S&C, good luck to you. But if you're running deals as a junior, go forth and gun my friend.

OP here - thanks for the ill-founded ad hominem attack! I am not deciding on prestige - (y'know, what I actually SAID in my original post) - I have looked at damn near everything from compensation structure, training, practice area strengths, the people and reputation of the firm in the region I want to practice, summer program and early career development, experience from individuals who have left, etc. I'm not so delusional as to think that I'll be making partner at any of the V10 firms - so I want to plan for alternatives, and I don't know to what extent, if at all, the rankings matter.

I think people can be forgiven for disbelieving you when you said you weren't trying to decide based on prestige. After all the only relevant criteria listed in your op are the vault rankings, which purport to create a ranking solely based on prestige.

That would certainly be true if I didn't directly state that I wasn't deciding on prestige and currently didn't think it mattered much (but was looking for confirmation). I was really trying not to start a flame-war thread - I'm not mad at y'all TLS, just... disappointed (and that's a joke, for all of you out there).

I am curious about some of the Latham hostility - they're on my list and they seem pretty chill. I can see why the top dogs are going to have more prestige (for whatever that matters) than L&W, but why would DPW, STB, Cleary, or others in the mid-range be necessarily better?

[Morgan12Oak]

I am curious about some of the Latham hostility - they're on my list and they seem pretty chill. I can see why the top dogs are going to have more prestige (for whatever that matters) than L&W, but why would DPW, STB, Cleary, or others in the mid-range be necessarily better?

None really - replace K&E and its the same thing. I just was comparing a lower V10 to some of the higher ones. DPW/STB/Cleary are better because some junior/midlevel associate at some other law firm is putting a 9 next to DPW/STB/Cleary's prestige and a 7 or an 8 next to L&W/K&E. Some day that junior/midlevel associate will move in house and one day be hiring an attorney for an inhouse position. Who is he going to pick? If you can fuck a 9 why would you settle for a 7?

[bjsesq]

We need to keep this up, Zweit. This is making my morning go a lot quicker.

[Old Gregg]

But when you participate in the same sort of fucking behavior you just goddamn criticized, you are somehow exempt from it. Your holier than thou shtick is tired.

...and your shtick about shticks is dumb? I mean, who gives a shit? Hypocrisy doesn't invalidate a point.

No, but it really captures you as a person.

(get upset about other people's behavior)
(do the same behavior)
(what? what's the problem?)

As a person? This is the internet. You don't know me. Your thoughts became borderline incomprehensible when you said that I'm "holier than thou" (which couldn't be further from the truth; how do you glean that from a forum post???).

But sure, I guess it captures me as a user on TLS. I think I'll survive that.

[bjsesq]

I mean, we've met. And I know plenty about your antics.

[bjsesq]

Can you speed up your responses? I feel like I am entering a refractory period here.

[Old Gregg]

I mean, we've met. And I know plenty about your antics.

I challenge you to actually get to know me in real life and then level the same criticism you're making.

Not that you couldn't end up hating my guts, but I urge you to do that before basically stating:

"I met you as a person. I've read your internet posts. Therefore, I know you."

And if you have legit beef with me, feel free to PM (or gchat me); we can hug it out.

[baal hadad]

I am curious about some of the Latham hostility - they're on my list and they seem pretty chill. I can see why the top dogs are going to have more prestige (for whatever that matters) than L&W, but why would DPW, STB, Cleary, or others in the mid-range be necessarily better?

The plus side to Latham is now that Bob dell is leaving your risk of getting Bob dell'd had significantly lessened

[Old Gregg]

I am curious about some of the Latham hostility - they're on my list and they seem pretty chill. I can see why the top dogs are going to have more prestige (for whatever that matters) than L&W, but why would DPW, STB, Cleary, or others in the mid-range be necessarily better?

The plus side to Latham is now that Bob dell is leaving your risk of getting Bob dell'd had significantly lessened

Latham was Bob Dell'ing before Bob Dell became Bob Dell. This isn't a leadership thing. It's a firm thing.

[bjsesq]

I mean, we've met. And I know plenty about your antics.

I challenge you to actually get to know me in real life and then level the same criticism you're making.

Not that you couldn't end up hating my guts, but I urge you to do that before basically stating:

"I met you as a person. I've read your internet posts. Therefore, I know you."

Maybe

[Morgan12Oak]

I am curious about some of the Latham hostility - they're on my list and they seem pretty chill. I can see why the top dogs are going to have more prestige (for whatever that matters) than L&W, but why would DPW, STB, Cleary, or others in the mid-range be necessarily better?

The plus side to Latham is now that Bob dell is leaving your risk of getting Bob dell'd had significantly lessened

He's got one more in him - he still has 3 months and a full class of incoming first years