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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by BearLaw » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:55 pm

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BearLaw wrote: Also, Im a rising 3L and Vandy, did the OCI thing last year. Please ask any questions you have, I will try to answer them as best I can.
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How high do people normally have to bid the nashville firms to get a lottery slot? Obviously it depends on how many slots the firm has, but for example, Bass Berry has 19 slots. Since they are really popular, is bidding them #1 basically required?
Full Disclosure: I did not bid Nashville at all last year. That being said, plenty of people got jobs there this summer. I would guess that bidding your top choices in Nashville toward the top of your bid list is never a bad idea. Keep in mind though that there are not a ton of people (usually) looking to stay in Nashville, and quite a few people will bid the Nashville firms as a fallback, so I would assume that 19 slots should be enough for those people really interested in Nashville biglaw if you bid them high.

Sorry I cannot be super helpful with Nashville. Also, if your second choice is ATL or Birmingham, dont bury those bids too far down. There always seems to be a lot of people wanting those two places as well.

There is also the chance that people will cancel interviews and you will get one after the initial list goes out. If there is a firm you might want to interview with, bid them and stay on the list if you dont get an interview initially. I got one additional screener last year this way.
How about DC? For example, Hogan only has 19 slots. Any idea how high those firms should be bid? Also, how do we find out about what the grade cutoffs really are. Hogan says 3.3 required, but they probably want much higher for a callback, I would assume. Does CSO release any data like that if you ask them?
DC is tough because it is DC, but if that is your choice market, bid those firms toward the top of your list and you should get at least some interviews in that market. Remember, the class isnt all that big, so there is not likely to be a ton of people bidding the same market first (NYC excepted, and maybe Nashville but its hard to say). I know several people who got offers in DC and at least one who had an offer before OCI even happened last year. If you know a market you really want to work in, I would bid that high and then hit NYC later, or a second market you would not mind working in.

I knew what city I wanted to be in and bid that city exclusively. In retrospect, I was probably stupid not to bid at least some in NYC as a hedge, but I got screeners with every firm from that city at OCI, multiple callbacks and offers. It worked out for me, but like I said, I would not advise putting all your eggs in one basket.

Also, the resume drops that CSO does are actually pretty helpful, I got several phone screeners and two callbacks from those.

Im not sure what the actual grade cuts are at a lot of firms and I dont think CSO will be more specific than what is on Symplicity (either because they dont know or just arent telling). I would say at least be above what is online when you bid, but I cant say for certain how far. I got call backs from some places that I was barely over their posted cut, and missed places where I was well over it. I think that comes down to interviewing and luck.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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BearLaw wrote: DC is tough because it is DC, but if that is your choice market, bid those firms toward the top of your list and you should get at least some interviews in that market. Remember, the class isnt all that big, so there is not likely to be a ton of people bidding the same market first (NYC excepted, and maybe Nashville but its hard to say). I know several people who got offers in DC and at least one who had an offer before OCI even happened last year. If you know a market you really want to work in, I would bid that high and then hit NYC later, or a second market you would not mind working in.

I knew what city I wanted to be in and bid that city exclusively. In retrospect, I was probably stupid not to bid at least some in NYC as a hedge, but I got screeners with every firm from that city at OCI, multiple callbacks and offers. It worked out for me, but like I said, I would not advise putting all your eggs in one basket.

Also, the resume drops that CSO does are actually pretty helpful, I got several phone screeners and two callbacks from those.

Im not sure what the actual grade cuts are at a lot of firms and I dont think CSO will be more specific than what is on Symplicity (either because they dont know or just arent telling). I would say at least be above what is online when you bid, but I cant say for certain how far. I got call backs from some places that I was barely over their posted cut, and missed places where I was well over it. I think that comes down to interviewing and luck.
Any idea how high you need to bid Houston to get a lottery interview? TX firms are currently 18-24 on my bidlist. Assume grades are good enough, but no TX ties, so I doubt I'll get a preselect. Am I SOL for the firms that only have 19 slots?

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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Would anyone be interested in critiquing my bid-list?

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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Anonymous User wrote:Would anyone be interested in critiquing my bid-list?
I could give it a go, although I don't know how much help I can be, given I'm endlessly reworking my bidlist as well.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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Anonymous User wrote:Would anyone be interested in critiquing my bid-list?
I could give it a go, although I don't know how much help I can be, given I'm endlessly reworking my bidlist as well.
I have no idea what the hell I'm doing.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:15 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Would anyone be interested in critiquing my bid-list?
I could give it a go, although I don't know how much help I can be, given I'm endlessly reworking my bidlist as well.
I have no idea what the hell I'm doing.
Original OP Here: I literally have no idea either. We need that 3L back in here to lay some knowledge on us.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:17 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Would anyone be interested in critiquing my bid-list?
I could give it a go, although I don't know how much help I can be, given I'm endlessly reworking my bidlist as well.
I have no idea what the hell I'm doing.
Me either, really. I'm wondering how low the list we can still expect to get lottery slots from. Obviously depends on how popular the firm is, but you would think that with a lot of firms only having 9-10 lottery slots that anything past #20 pretty much requires a preselect. But who knows.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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Anonymous User wrote:Would anyone be interested in critiquing my bid-list?
I could give it a go, although I don't know how much help I can be, given I'm endlessly reworking my bidlist as well.
I have no idea what the hell I'm doing.
Me either, really. I'm wondering how low the list we can still expect to get lottery slots from. Obviously depends on how popular the firm is, but you would think that with a lot of firms only having 9-10 lottery slots that anything past #20 pretty much requires a preselect. But who knows.
I'm so worried that I'm screwing myself no matter how I bid.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:35 pm

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Me either, really. I'm wondering how low the list we can still expect to get lottery slots from. Obviously depends on how popular the firm is, but you would think that with a lot of firms only having 9-10 lottery slots that anything past #20 pretty much requires a preselect. But who knows.
I'm so worried that I'm screwing myself no matter how I bid.
Same here. The grade requirements on Symplicity are completely unhelpful. I am confident that King & Spalding's ATL office has never hired anyone at Vandy who only has a 3.3. I have no idea if TX firms preselect based heavily on ties. If so, I need to bid them a lot higher because I definitely won't get any lottery picks. How popular is DC? Now that the cutoffs have changed, will everyone bid DC? Ughhhhhh

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:39 pm

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Me either, really. I'm wondering how low the list we can still expect to get lottery slots from. Obviously depends on how popular the firm is, but you would think that with a lot of firms only having 9-10 lottery slots that anything past #20 pretty much requires a preselect. But who knows.
I'm so worried that I'm screwing myself no matter how I bid.
Same here. The grade requirements on Symplicity are completely unhelpful. I am confident that King & Spalding's ATL office has never hired anyone at Vandy who only has a 3.3. I have no idea if TX firms preselect based heavily on ties. If so, I need to bid them a lot higher because I definitely won't get any lottery picks. How popular is DC? Now that the cutoffs have changed, will everyone bid DC? Ughhhhhh
DC is always popular because it's DC, and TX I have no idea about. Doesn't sound like we are aiming for similar markets except for ATL

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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DC is always popular because it's DC, and TX I have no idea about. Doesn't sound like we are aiming for similar markets except for ATL
Well I'm only bidding like 3 ATL firms anyway. Definitely not my main target market.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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DC is always popular because it's DC, and TX I have no idea about. Doesn't sound like we are aiming for similar markets except for ATL
Well I'm only bidding like 3 ATL firms anyway. Definitely not my main target market.
I hear ya. I just don't want to out myself here with my bid list...

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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DC is always popular because it's DC, and TX I have no idea about. Doesn't sound like we are aiming for similar markets except for ATL
Well I'm only bidding like 3 ATL firms anyway. Definitely not my main target market.
I hear ya. I just don't want to out myself here with my bid list...
Yeah definitely. I really wish CSO would give out a list of callback GPAs or something. Even just medians would be helpful. I have no idea how grade selective most of these firms are. The whole bidding process is a black box.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:52 pm

Would they provide the list if someone asked? My guess is probably not?

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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Anonymous User wrote:Would they provide the list if someone asked? My guess is probably not?
Someone said no, but I don't even know if they keep that information to begin with. I guess I could send my bidlist to my CSO counselor, but they've never sent anything out saying they'll look it over for us. I don't have much confidence in them anyway.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by BearLaw » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote: Any idea how high you need to bid Houston to get a lottery interview? TX firms are currently 18-24 on my bidlist. Assume grades are good enough, but no TX ties, so I doubt I'll get a preselect. Am I SOL for the firms that only have 19 slots?
I would assume that bidding Houston middle of your list will get you at least some interviews there. Also, if the deadline has not passed (and they are doing it again this year) get to the Houston Job Fair if you can. I know several who did it last year and had multiple (a few ppl 6-7+) screeners before OCI even started. There were also a number (not sure exactly how many, but I know at least one person got an offer from the HJF) callbacks from that fair.

If Houston is your top choice, bid it high and you should lottery most firms (I know a person who bid Houston his top 8-10 spots and got screeners with them all) and middle of the pack should get you at least some screeners there.

Like I said, I didnt really do OCI "right" last year and focused on a single market. It worked out for me, I had ties and WE in the region, but I wouldn't recommend it.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:25 pm

I'm assuming it's stupid to leave bids on the table, right? I know it sounds obvious, but more than a few people have mentioned only using 20 or so bids.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by ms9 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:40 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:Would anyone be interested in critiquing my bid-list?
I could give it a go, although I don't know how much help I can be, given I'm endlessly reworking my bidlist as well.
I have no idea what the hell I'm doing.
Original OP Here: I literally have no idea either. We need that 3L back in here to lay some knowledge on us.
Why don't you ask your CSO?
Why did you need to post this Anon? (User has been outed)

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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Anonymous User wrote: Why don't you ask your CSO?
Do you go to Vandy?

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by BearLaw » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:00 pm

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Why don't you ask your CSO?
Lol, sweet annon use bro. To the poster below you, the better question is; do you go to law school? Vandy CSO is made up of several very nice people who know just enough about the legal job market to be absolutely unhelpful 90% of the time. As for callback info from previous years, I doubt they have it organized enough to release, as they rely totally on students (i believe) to give it to them.

To the poster asking about using all of their bids, why would you not? Unless there is a market you WILL NOT work in, and all of the markets you would work in have not maxed out your bids, there is no reason not to use them all. In short, there is no reason not to use them all, because any job is better than no job.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:58 am

Bid list finalized.

I'm targeting the West Coast and DC. I have no desire to work anywhere else so I left a lot of bids on the table. Worst idea ever? I'll find out soon enough.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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Anonymous User wrote:Bid list finalized.

I'm targeting the West Coast and DC. I have no desire to work anywhere else so I left a lot of bids on the table. Worst idea ever? I'll find out soon enough.
There's still a couple of hours to fill the rest of your bidlist. Unless you have a 3.8, I'd be throwing in some NYC bids. A job in NYC is better than unemployment in LA.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

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Anonymous User wrote:Bid list finalized.

I'm targeting the West Coast and DC. I have no desire to work anywhere else so I left a lot of bids on the table. Worst idea ever? I'll find out soon enough.
There's still a couple of hours to fill the rest of your bidlist. Unless you have a 3.8, I'd be throwing in some NYC bids. A job in NYC is better than unemployment in LA.
I have a 2L SA offer in NYC but I have no desire to work there. I'm utilizing OCI for non-NYC opportunities.

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Re: Vandy OCI c/o 2016

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:29 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Bid list finalized.

I'm targeting the West Coast and DC. I have no desire to work anywhere else so I left a lot of bids on the table. Worst idea ever? I'll find out soon enough.
There's still a couple of hours to fill the rest of your bidlist. Unless you have a 3.8, I'd be throwing in some NYC bids. A job in NYC is better than unemployment in LA.
I have a 2L SA offer in NYC but I have no desire to work there. I'm utilizing OCI for non-NYC opportunities.
Ah, well if you have an offer in hand, then I don't see much of an issue with not using all your bids.

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