A. Nony Mouse wrote:Nah, only if you're like dean of career services. U Michigan career counselors in 2013 made $62-88K (the 88K was a director). Rutgers people make $59-72K.spleenworship wrote:$110,000 is my guessobjctnyrhnr wrote:assume they work 8:30-5:30. what do you think they make...ballpark?worldtraveler wrote:CSO counselor sounds like a really cushy job with great hours.
(Not saying those are bad salaries, just not $110K.)
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Keep in mind the fact that someone got a 2L SA through OCI doesn't necessarily mean that they person didn't network before OCI and didn't have work experience. But it's true that there are a number of "fairly uninteresting K-JD kids" who get 2L SA positions through OCI (I wouldn't go as far as saying half the class is that way though).dead head wrote:While there may be some truth to this, especially at Yale, there are plenty of fairly uninteresting K-JD kids roaming the halls of the various T14s who simply went to law school for lack of anything better to do. Over half of the students from just about every T14 get a 2L summer gig through OCI, and it's not because they are all super networkers or have great WE.XxSpyKEx wrote:While I know this was meant to be a snarky sarcastic response, you'd be surprised how much more true this than you would think.. I had the "opportunity" to attend both a TTT (although now it's a TT) and a t10, and the people at the t10 definitely tried harder and a LOT more people had work experience. I suspect a lot of the people who went to my law school would have done well regardless of where they went to law school (the exception is people who went to work for top biglaw firms--those firms are very dead set on hiring only the top people at the t14 schools). I think the higher up the ranking you go, the more true this is as well. For example, if you actually meet 10 Yale Law grads, talk to them, and ask them about their background before law school, you'd probably conclude that those most of those people are sufficiently smart, accomplished, and hard working to have done well even without having attended Yale... The most helpful about attending a higher ranked law school is that you get a really good alumni network that you can utilize to make your way into jobs that might otherwise been really difficult to get. Although, while in law school, I found the actual networking part of it to be more dependent on job type. PI people had to network a lot more, but a lot of people relied on OCI for firms. With that said, I think people who reached out to alumni before OCI to learn more about firms did better, since they were able to better communicate that they were actually interested in the specific firms (and that they were a good fit for them). Also, the large chunk of my class that didn't get jobs through OCI had to network (c/o 2011 here).dead head wrote: So if school rank and grades don't mean anything, then why are so many Suffolk grads jobless at graduation compared to T14 grads? Do you think it's because T14 students try harder, network harder, and have spent more time getting work experience prior to law school while Suffolk students are lazy bums who don't network and have no WE?
The thing is most people on here are reasonably intelligent and well read and assume that everyone else that goes to law school is just like them. But if that were true with respect to people who attend lower ranked schools, I suspect the vast majority of those people would never have attended their TTTs (for the same reasons that people on here who attend t14s wouldn't attend the lower ranked schools)... Trust me, there's a whole world of people out there that are considerably more dumb and more ignorant than you likely are. So many people that attend TTTs can't do math, assume that they'll get an "average" job that pays at least $60k /year (and are completely oblivious to the information that is out there that suggests that the contrary is true--e.g. the OP), and assume that everything will be grand when they graduate if that happens, despite the fact that they are taking out over $150k in student loans (meaning a $60k /year job will not allow them to reasonably be able to repay their loans).dead head wrote:I'm also interested in hearing that students at lower-ranked schools are less engaged. I would have thought the opposite, because they are more likely to be aware of the importance of grades, while many at T14 schools believe (or did until very recently) that their school name can carry them pretty far on their own.
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Re: What is life like for TTTT career services employees
"What is life like for TTTT career services employees"
About the same as the life of a top school CSO employee but they're probably better paid
About the same as the life of a top school CSO employee but they're probably better paid
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