2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data Forum

[Anonymous User]

DF - Do you have the data from NU? Care to post if you do?

I don't. They haven't released any to us. They didn't have C/o 2009 data until late August last year.

they have the data they are just too embarrassed to release it.



65% is still pretty terrible considering that most of the people graduating from cls with good jobs will be those with biglaw. this doesn't bode well for the other people

[NYC Law]

DF - Do you have the data from NU? Care to post if you do?

I don't. They haven't released any to us. They didn't have C/o 2009 data until late August last year.

they have the data they are just too embarrassed to release it.



65% is still pretty terrible considering that most of the people graduating from cls with good jobs will be those with biglaw. this doesn't bode well for the other people

Do Fed Clerkships and prestigious PI/Gov't jobs not exist anymore? I know they're hard to come by, but I'd assume CLS grads get them.

[Anonymous User]

Students from CLS get prestigious government/PI jobs and federal clerkships, but those are students that generally secured offers from EIP beforehand (and hence, would be included in the 65%). CLS is very prestigious, and the people who get in should feel very proud of themselves. However, there may be 0Ls on here debating about taking out $200,000+ in loans to attend CLS, so I think that it's only fair that they realize that they aren't guaranteed to get Biglaw (or even have a 78% shot) just by getting into CLS.

-Unhappy CLS student that struck out at EIP

[rayiner]

DF - Do you have the data from NU? Care to post if you do?

I don't. They haven't released any to us. They didn't have C/o 2009 data until late August last year.

they have the data they are just too embarrassed to release it.



65% is still pretty terrible considering that most of the people graduating from cls with good jobs will be those with biglaw. this doesn't bode well for the other people

Do Fed Clerkships and prestigious PI/Gov't jobs not exist anymore? I know they're hard to come by, but I'd assume CLS grads get them.

These are 2L summer stats. You don't apply for those jobs until after 2L summer.

[rayiner]

DF - Do you have the data from NU? Care to post if you do?

I don't. They haven't released any to us. They didn't have C/o 2009 data until late August last year.

they have the data they are just too embarrassed to release it.

They're probably waiting for 3L OCI. There are like 15-20 firms this year doing 3L OCI.

The interim data they gave us in September was 60% getting something out of OCI (which is overwhelmingly firm work). The way they phrased it (60% of 2Ls) suggests it's out of the class, not just people who did OCI. Empirically, I'd say that figure is about right.

[Anonymous User]

DF - Do you have the data from NU? Care to post if you do?

I don't. They haven't released any to us. They didn't have C/o 2009 data until late August last year.

they have the data they are just too embarrassed to release it.

They're probably waiting for 3L OCI. There are like 15-20 firms this year doing 3L OCI.

The interim data they gave us in September was 60% getting something out of OCI (which is overwhelmingly firm work). The way they phrased it (60% of 2Ls) suggests it's out of the class, not just people who did OCI. Empirically, I'd say that figure is about right.

yea it sucks. i mean just 5 years ago CLS was a guarantee to a good job. economy is cyclical. what are you going to do?

[quakeroats]

DF - Do you have the data from NU? Care to post if you do?

I don't. They haven't released any to us. They didn't have C/o 2009 data until late August last year.

they have the data they are just too embarrassed to release it.

They're probably waiting for 3L OCI. There are like 15-20 firms this year doing 3L OCI.

The interim data they gave us in September was 60% getting something out of OCI (which is overwhelmingly firm work). The way they phrased it (60% of 2Ls) suggests it's out of the class, not just people who did OCI. Empirically, I'd say that figure is about right.

Does anyone have 3L data yet?

[Younger Abstention]

Anyone have MVPB?

[thesealocust]

Dumb question from an OL here, but can someone clarify what they mean by "biglaw" ... I ask only b/c it seems that different posters ocassionally imply different things (i.e. NLJ250 v. V100). I would contend that there is a a fairly sizeable difference b/t the top 100 and the 150 that follow (may not from 100->110 or so, but there is, i would suspect, some serious stratification even at those levels).

Also, where exactly is the cutoff (approx.) where pay transitions from 6 to 5 digits?

There's no hard and fast rule. Most people are referring broadly to large firms that pay 6-figure salary to associates and handle complex/large cases for important/large/wealthy clients. The various rankings don't correspond directly to any logical definition (NLJ 250 is just the 250 firms with the most attorneys, Vault 100 are the 100 most 'prestigious' firms, AmLaw rankings are all based on revenue and profits, etc.). Those are only rough proxies for big law, and it's very rough. In general, for example, most people would consider a 20 person boutique handling complex commercial litigation and paying the 1 new associate they hire each year $140,000 big law, but it would never fit into the above categories. Likewise there are some firms in the NLJ 250 that pay well under 6-figures and most wouldn't really consider biglaw.

In practice, a large majority of firm jobs that people get from top law schools via fall OCI are biglaw and in the Vault 100, but there's always a smattering of other firms.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. The world hums along just fine without a rigorous definition of biglaw, and the gray area is pretty slight. The term is only really used to distinguish desirable jobs that can quickly pay down debt and give an investment in law school a steep RoI from those which, however satisfying, are less obviously desirable.

[androstan]

Anyone have GW information?

[shotsfired12]

redacted.

[09042014]

I second GW!

first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize?
[Holds up prize]
Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.

[quakeroats]

I second GW!

first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize?
[Holds up prize]
Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.

Just in case anyone hasn't see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-AXTx4PcKI

[Anonymous User]

I second GW!

GW doesn't publish this information like some schools, but generally speaking, everyone on law review (~top 15%) got a biglaw job if they tried for one, and some people in the top-1/3 also got biglaw, though obviously not nearly as many as in years past. Others got jobs at some medium firms or "biglaw" jobs in small markets like Philly or Baltimore that start at ~$120-135k. Short version -- have a 3.4/3.5 gpa or better and you'll be ok; anything lower and you better begin direct writing now to try and get some pre-OCI interviews if you have a hope of a biglaw job.

[D-hops]

I second GW!

first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize?
[Holds up prize]
Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.

The leads are weak!

[miracle2011]

Can anyone post information on Boalt?

[09042014]

I second GW!

first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize?
[Holds up prize]
Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.

The leads are weak!

The Leads are weak? The fucking leads are weak? You're weak.

[clone22]

Anyone have Cornell numbers?

[quakeroats]

It's mid July. Is there anyone else?

[quakeroats]

Any new numbers?

[NYC Law]

I always come here to demand new numbers, but then I read the glengarry glen ross reference, laugh, and go away.

[Anonymous User]

Assuming a class size of 210 (including transfers) at UChicago, for the class of 2012:

7.1% in the V5
8.6% in the V5-10 range (so 15.7% total in the V10)
16.2% in the V11-20 range (so 31.9% total in the V20)
6.2% in the V21-30 range (so 38.1% total in the V30)
13.8% in the V31-50 range (so 51.9% total in the V50)
11.4% in the V51-100 range (so 63.3% total in the V100)
5.7% at firms not in Vault, but in the NLJ250 (so 69% total in the V100/NLJ250)

Note that, unlike previous posts, I did not discount the class size number by a guess as to how many participated in OCI or wanted a firm job. Plenty of people are working for the DOJ, FBI, ACLU, and numerous other corporations, government entities, or corporations; but I thought the raw data would be more useful. I should also add that the Vault rankings don't really do UChicago justice since they're so NYC-centric and most people from UChicago choose to go other places (mainly, the city of Chicago). Also, a number of people work at firms like Kellogg Huber and Susman Godfrey during the summer, which doesn't exactly boost our Vault numbers, but are ultra-prestigious summer spots to have.

[quakeroats]

Assuming a class size of 210 (including transfers) at UChicago, for the class of 2012:

7.1% in the V5
8.6% in the V5-10 range (so 15.7% total in the V10)
16.2% in the V11-20 range (so 31.9% total in the V20)
6.2% in the V21-30 range (so 38.1% total in the V30)
13.8% in the V31-50 range (so 51.9% total in the V50)
11.4% in the V51-100 range (so 63.3% total in the V100)
5.7% at firms not in Vault, but in the NLJ250 (so 69% total in the V100/NLJ250)

Note that, unlike previous posts, I did not discount the class size number by a guess as to how many participated in OCI or wanted a firm job. Plenty of people are working for the DOJ, FBI, ACLU, and numerous other corporations, government entities, or corporations; but I thought the raw data would be more useful. I should also add that the Vault rankings don't really do UChicago justice since they're so NYC-centric and most people from UChicago choose to go other places (mainly, the city of Chicago). Also, a number of people work at firms like Kellogg Huber and Susman Godfrey during the summer, which doesn't exactly boost our Vault numbers, but are ultra-prestigious summer spots to have.

Very nice. Anyone have MVPNCGB?

[Anonymous User]

Assuming a class size of 210 (including transfers) at UChicago, for the class of 2012:

7.1% in the V5
8.6% in the V5-10 range (so 15.7% total in the V10)
16.2% in the V11-20 range (so 31.9% total in the V20)
6.2% in the V21-30 range (so 38.1% total in the V30)
13.8% in the V31-50 range (so 51.9% total in the V50)
11.4% in the V51-100 range (so 63.3% total in the V100)
5.7% at firms not in Vault, but in the NLJ250 (so 69% total in the V100/NLJ250)

Note that, unlike previous posts, I did not discount the class size number by a guess as to how many participated in OCI or wanted a firm job. Plenty of people are working for the DOJ, FBI, ACLU, and numerous other corporations, government entities, or corporations; but I thought the raw data would be more useful. I should also add that the Vault rankings don't really do UChicago justice since they're so NYC-centric and most people from UChicago choose to go other places (mainly, the city of Chicago). Also, a number of people work at firms like Kellogg Huber and Susman Godfrey during the summer, which doesn't exactly boost our Vault numbers, but are ultra-prestigious summer spots to have.

Very nice. Anyone have MVPNCGB?

I don't have comprehensive data, but at NU I can say at least 12% V10 (based on my knowledge of 5 of the firms, assuming the other 5 have 0 NU folks).

[quakeroats]

Anything new? Still nothing from MVPNCGB.