Fordham Law School - UWC - please post journal updates here! Forum

[Anonymous User]

I've heard top 5-6% grade-on from some sources, but others say that part-time students are not counted and that around top 10% of full-time students grade-on. Does anyone actually know the answer and have some kind of source for it?

Also, haven't heard of anyone getting a LR offer yet...

not true...top 28 students total grade on and pt students are included in this #.

Top 28 students is 5-6%, accounting for attrition, and yes, PT students are included. Congratulations to the new LR people! From what I hear, calls just started, so top third hopefuls are not out of the running yet.

[Anonymous User]

Heard from Corporate tonight as well. No LR yet... fingers crossed!!

[Anonymous User]

Got lr (grade on) and Corp tonight

[Anonymous User]

Got lr (grade on) and Corp tonight

how do you know you graded on?

[Anonymous User]

fordham doesn't release how many wilkinson's there are but its less than 20 probably

Are you sure about that? In the bios for Fordham kids on firm websites, it says Wilkinson recognizes the top 15.[/quote]

i'm a wilkinson scholar and asked dean endrizzi and she said its not 15. no one from the administration ever said 15 either so i don't know where students would get that from. please send me the link that says 15 on firm websites. thanks!

[Anonymous User]

FYI, last summer, law review made offers first to those who made it, then all the other journals made offers. so if you didn't hear from law review yet, chances are that you did not get it. it makes sense to do it in that order, otherwise, someone who gets an offer from a secondary journal first, would reject it as soon as he got a law review offer. offering law review positions first, leaves the other journals free to grab up the remainder. if you submitted an application, chances are you will get an offer from at least 1 secondary journal unless you did something crazy like a blank essay or no footnoting corrections. and yes, after the first round of offers, another round will be made for remaining positions on the secondary journals.

actually they do it the complete opposite way and always did. do you even go to fordham? secondary journals give offers and a few days to accept whereas law review requires you to accept on the spot so they want you to know what other offers you have...as if you'd say no anyway!

[Anonymous User]

i'm a wilkinson scholar and asked dean endrizzi and she said its not 15. no one from the administration ever said 15 either so i don't know where students would get that from. please send me the link that says 15 on firm websites. thanks!

Dean Brown told me it was 15. This was some months ago, when I was asking about possible merit aid after 1L year. That's where I heard the figure. I think someone also referenced this: http://www.cgsh.com/bebutler/

[Anonymous User]

Quick question-- if you have to accept an LR offer on the spot, what happens if they can't reach you and have to leave a message? Is there a grace period of a few hours?

[Anonymous User]

congrats to all the LR offers

is the consensus that LR obviously trumps all, and all secondary journals are created equal?

[Anonymous User]

is the consensus that LR obviously trumps all, and all secondary journals are created equal?

Yes, LR trumps. ULR has a top 50% cutoff so that may give it some added cachet. Otherwise, unless you plan to practice in the particular area of law covered by the journal they're pretty equal.

Are people still hearing from LR, or did all the calls go out last night? Congrats to all those who made it!

[Anonymous User]

is the consensus that LR obviously trumps all, and all secondary journals are created equal?

Yes, LR trumps. ULR has a top 50% cutoff so that may give it some added cachet. Otherwise, unless you plan to practice in the particular area of law covered by the journal they're pretty equal.

Are people still hearing from LR, or did all the calls go out last night? Congrats to all those who made it!

i know about the 50% cutoff, but do you think something like that makes it any more attractive to employers (i figured they likely do not even know this)? i guess i'm just trying to figure out why urban has traditionally been so popular

[Anonymous User]

Based on the rankings from Washington & Lee it is the 6th ranked Public Policy journal and seemingly the only one focused on Urban Law.

Whether or not that means anything to potential employers is doubtful.

[Anonymous User]

LR updates, please! Have heard from people who know they graded on. If you wrote on to LR and just got the call, please share anonymously. Thanks!

[Anonymous User]

i think its fair to say all LR calls have been made (both grade-ons and write-ons)

[Anonymous User]

Do they make enough offers so that when people decline they don't need to make more or is there a possibility that journals will make additional offers?

[Anonymous User]

i think its fair to say all LR calls have been made (both grade-ons and write-ons)

Source?

Do they make enough offers so that when people decline they don't need to make more or is there a possibility that journals will make additional offers?

My understanding is that after acceptances are due there will be a second wave of offers.

[Anonymous User]

i think its fair to say all LR calls have been made (both grade-ons and write-ons)

Source?

i spoke to several people last night who got calls. if you think they are gaming it and spreading out the few calls they had to make over several days, then fair enough, but i highly doubt it

Do they make enough offers so that when people decline they don't need to make more or is there a possibility that journals will make additional offers?

My understanding is that after acceptances are due there will be a second wave of offers.

[Anonymous User]

My guess was that they called the grade on people first. It is conceivable that they are still calling people, since they had something like 59 calls to make, and some other journals spread it out over at least two days. (I know the latter fact because I got my IPLJ message almost two full days after some of my friends reported theirs.) My guess is that LR will finish calling tonight, but I submit that this is an educated guess and nothing more.

[Anonymous User]

My guess was that they called the grade on people first. It is conceivable that they are still calling people, since they had something like 59 calls to make, and some other journals spread it out over at least two days. (I know the latter fact because I got my IPLJ message almost two full days after some of my friends reported theirs.) My guess is that LR will finish calling tonight, but I submit that this is an educated guess and nothing more.

not that my knowledge refutes your point, but i know 3 non-grade-ons who got calls last night

[Anonymous User]

My guess was that they called the grade on people first. It is conceivable that they are still calling people, since they had something like 59 calls to make, and some other journals spread it out over at least two days. (I know the latter fact because I got my IPLJ message almost two full days after some of my friends reported theirs.) My guess is that LR will finish calling tonight, but I submit that this is an educated guess and nothing more.

not that my knowledge refutes your point, but i know 3 non-grade-ons who got calls last night

'Grats to your friends! We'll know soon, I suppose. I can't imagine LR calls going on much longer, if they haven't finished already.

[Anonymous User]

I made Urban and IPLJ, and I feel incredibly lucky, but I am at a loss and I have to decide by tomorrow. I know Urban is regarded as the better journal (generally considered second to LR in prestige), and it has a larger alumni base, but I am interested in IP (would have an easier time picking a note topic), and several of my friends will be joining IPLJ. There is also the blog, which is pretty cool. If it were feasible I would definitely do both, but does Fordham even let us? Besides, I know people are waiting and I would not want to take a spot from one of my classmates.

[270910]

I made Urban and IPLJ, and I feel incredibly lucky, but I am at a loss and I have to decide by tomorrow. I know Urban is regarded as the better journal (generally considered second to LR in prestige), and it has a larger alumni base, but I am interested in IP (would have an easier time picking a note topic), and several of my friends will be joining IPLJ. There is also the blog, which is pretty cool. If it were feasible I would definitely do both, but does Fordham even let us? Besides, I know people are waiting and I would not want to take a spot from one of my classmates.

Doing more than one journal is one of the stupidest thing a law student could do. It signals to employers that you have no idea what you're doing and are flailing about desperately trying to look important. I'm not saying you'll get dinged everywhere, but it is NOT good signaling. Journal work consists of horrifically routine editing, usually of only a portion of any given article so you don't even see the substance outside of the 10 pages or whatever that you have to edit. The substantive nature of it is irrelevant, you're reading one sentence at a time and punching numbers into lexis/westlaw or pulling books, not munching tea and biscuits discussing the finer points of the Mediocre Journal of Photocopying and Boring Law with your colleagues.

Being on a journal is good for editing skills. Being on a journal means you avoid "so why aren't you on a journal?" in an interview. Being on a journal that relates to your desired practice area can give you a very minor talking point, but will hardly be dispositive. Beyond that, it's just not a great experience. Even if you LOVE LOVE LOVE it (and you won't) the correct outlet for journal affection is by playing the politics of your journal and getting on its managing board/editorial board/high command/whatever, not doing more than one.

[Anonymous User]

I made Urban and IPLJ, and I feel incredibly lucky, but I am at a loss and I have to decide by tomorrow. I know Urban is regarded as the better journal (generally considered second to LR in prestige), and it has a larger alumni base, but I am interested in IP (would have an easier time picking a note topic), and several of my friends will be joining IPLJ. There is also the blog, which is pretty cool. If it were feasible I would definitely do both, but does Fordham even let us? Besides, I know people are waiting and I would not want to take a spot from one of my classmates.

Doing more than one journal is one of the stupidest thing a law student could do. It signals to employers that you have no idea what you're doing and are flailing about desperately trying to look important. I'm not saying you'll get dinged everywhere, but it is NOT good signaling. Journal work consists of horrifically routine editing, usually of only a portion of any given article so you don't even see the substance outside of the 10 pages or whatever that you have to edit. The substantive nature of it is irrelevant, you're reading one sentence at a time and punching numbers into lexis/westlaw or pulling books, not munching tea and biscuits discussing the finer points of the Mediocre Journal of Photocopying and Boring Law with your colleagues.

Being on a journal is good for editing skills. Being on a journal means you avoid "so why aren't you on a journal?" in an interview. Being on a journal that relates to your desired practice area can give you a very minor talking point, but will hardly be dispositive. Beyond that, it's just not a great experience. Even if you LOVE LOVE LOVE it (and you won't) the correct outlet for journal affection is by playing the politics of your journal and getting on its managing board/editorial board/high command/whatever, not doing more than one.

Admittedly, I lol'd much. I know I have to pick one, but which? Ought it to be based more on perceived prestige, subject matter, or the people I'll be working with (ie: the shared experience of doing a journal several of my friends also made?)

I do want to write a note next year, if I possibly can.

[270910]

Couldn't matter less. Journal work isn't collaborative. You can all decide to do it in a room together, but for the most part you'll get your assignment and a due date and have one party a semester or something and that's that. Flip a coin? Do the one that requires less work?

Actually, definitely do the one that requires less work.

Keep in mind that if substance is really what you're interested in, there's nothing stopping you from writing about topic A even if you're on journal B.

[Anonymous User]

Couldn't matter less. Journal work isn't collaborative. You can all decide to do it in a room together, but for the most part you'll get your assignment and a due date and have one party a semester or something and that's that. Flip a coin? Do the one that requires less work?

Actually, definitely do the one that requires less work.

Keep in mind that if substance is really what you're interested in, there's nothing stopping you from writing about topic A even if you're on journal B.

Thank you for your advice. I actually didn't know the bolded. Can you get a note about topic A published in journal B, though?