I Feel Like Just Giving Up Forum

[PKSebben]

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[romothesavior]

these ignorant fuck 0Ls

Love you too.

Based on her OP, it certainly gave the impression that she relied too heavily on OCI. She clarified in her later posts though, so maybe she didn't.

Personally OP, I don't think you should give up yet. PK's advice about clerkships sounds credited, and you should keep in mind that even though biglaw is probably out, there are other avenues. Good luck.

[PKSebben]

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[romothesavior]

Okay you're right. This ignorant 0L will GTFO.

But I still say OP still has doors open, especially if she passes the patent bar.

[rayiner]

PK is right.

Also, people are forgetting that OP is an engineer. He or she needs biglaw for the whole thing to work out, economically, and OCI is how you get biglaw.

[mallard]

Okay you're right. This ignorant 0L will GTFO.

But I still say OP still has doors open, especially if she passes the patent bar.

You've listened too hard to Matthies!

[PKSebben]

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[jchoggan]

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[dresden doll]

PK is right.

The eternally correct assertion.

[romothesavior]

Okay you're right. This ignorant 0L will GTFO.

But I still say OP still has doors open, especially if she passes the patent bar.

dude, employers EXPECT OP to PASS the patent exam. What really matters is that they know OP's eligibility to TAKE the patent exam, so nothing changes after the OP passes. Some magical patent law door doesn't immediately swing open when you pass.

There is no doubt that doors are open -- they just might not be open right now, and that's a pretty scary situation when the loan payments come due. In the long run, I really feel that law school will end placing people in better than average gigs, but the immediate payoff just isn't going to be there for some.

Sorry if I come off as a jerk about it, but I'm up to here with dudes trying to justify their decision to attend law school by rationalizing that out of luck 3Ls/grads weren't doing things "right."

Again, point taken.

[vanwinkle]

Unemployed 3L here. Completely shut out of 2L OCI.

I just don't know what happen. I am at a T-14 law school (DGMVPN), at the median (not bad, but not good), e-board of secondary journal, engineering undergrad (w/ Honors) from T-20 school, and engineering graduate degree from T-5 school (e.g. CMU, Stanford, Cal-Tech, etc).

Really?

Somebody set him up the bomb.

Also, the problem with 0Ls is they don't even have enough knowledge to know when they're about to sound like a moron. Going to law school doesn't magically teach you everything instantly, but it will swiftly educate you on how much you don't yet know and need to STFU about until you learn.

[TheTopBloke]

Also, the problem with 0Ls is they don't even have enough knowledge to know when they're about to sound like a moron. Going to law school doesn't magically teach you everything instantly, but it will swiftly educate you on how much you don't yet know and need to STFU about until you learn.

Well shit, I already know that. So law school is a waste of time then.

[romothesavior]

Also, the problem with 0Ls is they don't even have enough knowledge to know when they're about to sound like a moron. Going to law school doesn't magically teach you everything instantly, but it will swiftly educate you on how much you don't yet know and need to STFU about until you learn.

Wonderful. I look forward to it.

[traehekat]

Going to law school doesn't magically teach you everything instantly, but it will swiftly educate you on how much you don't yet know and need to STFU about until you learn.

Evidently it makes you bitter, as well.

[vanwinkle]

Evidently it makes you bitter, as well.

When you're a struggling 2L or 3L, getting advice as horridly dumb as you were giving in this thread will make you bitter, too, just so you know.

As a hint, if you ever feel compelled to work the phrase "I'm a 0L" into one of your posts, that's a sign you shouldn't be posting.

[traehekat]

Evidently it makes you bitter, as well.

When you're a struggling 2L or 3L, getting advice as horridly dumb as you were giving in this thread will make you bitter, too, just so you know.

When I'm a struggling 2L or 3L, I'll probably expect to receive such advice when posting on a message board primarily made up of 0Ls.

I'm just doing my part.

[rbgrocio]

Unemployed 3L here. Completely shut out of 2L OCI, currently working at a place where it has been made abundantly clear that no offers for post-graduate employment will be made. And with all the bad news that's constantly out there, I just feel like giving up.

I just don't know what happen. I am at a T-14 law school (DGMVPN), at the median (not bad, but not good), e-board of secondary journal, engineering undergrad (w/ Honors) from T-20 school, and engineering graduate degree from T-5 school (e.g. CMU, Stanford, Cal-Tech, etc). 3L OCI at my school will be a complete joke from everything I've seen at my school and others similarly ranked (ATL post about Michigan: http://abovethelaw.com/2010/07/michigan ... counseling). What is the point of continuing to do this?

Looking back on it now, I feel like going to law school was the WORST decision I have ever made. Don't get me wrong, I love the law and would definitely want to practice if given the chance; but I just don't see anything out there for me.

Thus my question: For all the people who are in a similar situation, what keeps you going?

What had your law school journey been like? Did you work your first summer? second? Did you work during the school year? What kind of firm do you work for now? Is it small? medium?... How many attorneys? Did they explicitly say they won't hire you? Have you applied to other things outside of OCI?

[romothesavior]

Okay, can I at least ask a question? It is tangentially related to this thread.

OP said his employer was explicit about this internship not leading to a job. At what point would that likely be told to him? Would it be taboo to ask an employer this question before accepting? And if they say, "Yeah you're not getting a job under any circumstance," would it be okay to break the golden TLS rule about withdrawing if another employer offered him a position that left open the possibility of employment? Seems like sometimes you gotta look out for #1.

[traehekat]

Okay, can I at least ask a question? It is tangentially related to this thread.

OP said his employer was explicit about this internship not leading to a job. At what point would that likely be told to him? Would it be taboo to ask an employer this question before accepting? And if they say, "Yeah you're not getting a job under any circumstance," would it be okay to break the golden TLS rule about withdrawing if another employer offered him a position that left open the possibility of employment? Seems like sometimes you gotta look out for #1.

I don't think any employer would actually say that.

[PKSebben]

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[rbgrocio]

Okay, can I at least ask a question? It is tangentially related to this thread.

OP said his employer was explicit about this internship not leading to a job. At what point would that likely be told to him? Would it be taboo to ask an employer this question before accepting? And if they say, "Yeah you're not getting a job under any circumstance," would it be okay to break the golden TLS rule about withdrawing if another employer offered him a position that left open the possibility of employment? Seems like sometimes you gotta look out for #1.

I don't think any employer would actually say that.

I actually interviewed with someone this summer who clearly said there was no opportunity of hiring ever, ever, ever! lol.

I am where I am today because I think there may be a chance. So far, they have agreed to keep me for the fall. Later, when I finish my 2L I may ask them about what expectations should I have when it comes to actual employment there. If none, then it is time to move on... or at least, in my opinion.

[taxguy]

I really do feel for you, OP. I am a bit depressed about the economy too.
Look, for many law schools outside of the T20 or so, for years folks had to use good marketing tactics to get jobs. Let me make some suggestions.

1. Get your resume proof read by experts in order to max out its potential
2. Get a great cover letter written as to what you can offer the firm.
3. USE CONNECTIONS. Contact, friends associates, people who got jobs etc.
4. Go on web and check out law jobs. Believe it or not , there are published jobs
5. Send resumes to the government and to each department in the government, both federal and state. Also don't forget corporations.
6. Use the career office to the max. Make friends with the secretaries there.
7. If you still have trouble, consider getting an LLM from a decent school in some desireable area such as tax
8. Every county and state hires lawyers. Don't forget to contact them
9. If you become a specialist, consider putting a classy well worded ad in the local trade magazine for that specialty.
10. Write articles for law reviews and magazines. This will get your name out.
11. If you made any connections with law professors, ask them for help or see if they have contacts.
12. Contact judges for p;ossible clerkships. You never know .
13. If all else fail, consider representing indigent defendents and submit your name to the court for possible representation.

Also,consider doing some more internships even for free or low cost to get experience and contacts. Always make contacts and write down names of people that you meet. Rmember, marketing is a numbers game. Keep sending out resumes. Do at least 10-15 per day. It will happen for you enventually

[vanwinkle]

Okay, can I at least ask a question? It is tangentially related to this thread.

OP said his employer was explicit about this internship not leading to a job. At what point would that likely be told to him? Would it be taboo to ask an employer this question before accepting? And if they say, "Yeah you're not getting a job under any circumstance," would it be okay to break the golden TLS rule about withdrawing if another employer offered him a position that left open the possibility of employment? Seems like sometimes you gotta look out for #1.

I don't think any employer would actually say that.

I'm working for a place this summer that was blunt and up-front about the fact that I will never get a job offer with them. Please learn to not open your mouth until you have something useful to say.

[adrib]

between posts like this, reading gtm and leews, i am scared shitless in pretty much all my waking hours. man.

[solidsnake]

Going to law school doesn't magically teach you everything instantly, but it will swiftly educate you on how much you don't yet know and need to STFU about until you learn.

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