Columbia EIP 2014 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Question: I have my GPA from undergrad written on the resume. Wondering whether I should throw my law school GPA on there as well (~3.5)? Or take off both?

Neither. Firms know cls doesn't provide gpa info and if a firm wants your college grades they'll ask for them. You can put college latin honors (cum laude ect.) though if applicable

[Anonymous User]

Good point. Appreciate it!

[Anonymous User]

Not griping about it, but I was under the impression we weren't allowed to have GPAs on our resume? (At least for EIP?)

Same

[junaman]

weren't allowed

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[Anonymous User]

Okay, I'm all set to submit - I just want to confirm finally w/ y'all & see if I should reshuffle or drop a firm or two from the top half of the list to avoid missing the firms I'm most committed to snagging a screener with. Mostly concerned about bid placement now, not firm selection. NY unless otherwise indicated.

1. Boies Schiller
2. Kirkland Ellis
3. Morrison Foerster, SF
4. Sidley Austin
5. Skadden Arps
6. Debevoise
7. WilmerHale
8. White & Case
9. Linklaters
10. A&P
11. Paul Weiss
12. Cleary Gottlieb
13. Covington
14. Wachtell
15. Jones Day, LA
16. Paul Hastings, LA
17. Williams & Connolly, DC
18. Akin Gump, NY
19. Munger Tolles, LA
20. Cravath, NY
21. Latham, LA
22. Gibson, LA
23. Freshfields, UK
24. Clifford Chance, UK
25. Irell & Manella, LA
26. Simpson Thacher, NY
27. Allen & Overy, UK
28. S&C, Paris
29. Davis Polk, SF

Thanks!

-little finger

[Anonymous User]

Okay, I'm all set to submit - I just want to confirm finally w/ y'all & see if I should reshuffle or drop a firm or two from the top half of the list to avoid missing the firms I'm most committed to snagging a screener with. Mostly concerned about bid placement now, not firm selection. NY unless otherwise indicated.

[Bid List]

Thanks!

-little finger

As you probably know, a lot of the firms on the bottom 2/3 of your list are probably bid higher than they need to be, but I take it that's intentional.

The only potential problem I see is with Freshfields? The way I read the EIP website, to interview for their London office you have to sign up for Freshfields (New York), and last year the first failed bid was at 19.

[lunaraeon]

little finger, is it worth bidding the London/Paris offices? I don't see a single one that was overbid last year, and as far as I know, that's par for the course. I think you're fine to swap in more NY firms. (I don't know about the LA/SF offices but I wonder if this might be true, too.)

[Anonymous User]

Littlefinger, if your only concern is getting those interviews, you're in a great spot. Other than the Freshfields comment above, I don't think you need to change anything.

Are some firms much higher than FFB would indicate is necessary? Yes, but if this list is the interviews you want, you're probably gonna get them all. When people say stuff like "Wachtell is too high" they're ignoring the fact that, if you aren't filling up on NY firms with large class sizes, you don't surrender 15 bids off the bat and you necessarily have to bump firms up.

[lunaraeon]

Littlefinger, if your only concern is getting those interviews, you're in a great spot. Other than the Freshfields comment above, I don't tHink you need to change anything.

Are some firms much higher than FFB would indicate is necessary? Yes, but if this list is the interviews you want, you're probably gonna get them all. When people say stuff like "Wachtell is too high" they're ignoring the fact that, if you aren't filling up on NY firms with large class sizes, you don't surrender 15 bids off the bat and you necessarily have to bump firms up.

Yeah, realized this, edited my post accordingly. If you stick with those firms below it, Wachtell is fine where it is.

[Tiago Splitter]

weren't allowed

adorable

OCS will reject your resume if it includes your law school GPA. Every firm you interview with at EIP will already have a copy of your resume when you get into the suite, so the one you put onto Symplicity obviously matters and OCS is the gatekeeper there. What you do when you mass mail is totally up to you.

[Anonymous User]

Littlefinger, if your only concern is getting those interviews, you're in a great spot. Other than the Freshfields comment above, I don't tHink you need to change anything.

Are some firms much higher than FFB would indicate is necessary? Yes, but if this list is the interviews you want, you're probably gonna get them all. When people say stuff like "Wachtell is too high" they're ignoring the fact that, if you aren't filling up on NY firms with large class sizes, you don't surrender 15 bids off the bat and you necessarily have to bump firms up.

Yeah, realized this, edited my post accordingly. If you stick with those firms below it, Wachtell is fine where it is.

Good point & thanks, I think I'll move Freshfields to Wachtell's spot and bump everyone down one slot accordingly.

-lf

[Anonymous User]

Could someone give advice on what firms in the 20-30 bid list range I should be looking at as someone interested in corporate NYC? Mid-Stone. Open to bumping down Cravath and STB if necessary. Struggling to distinguish between a lot of them. Am I missing any or be removing any of these? (Again, all NYC)

20. Fried Frank
21. Cadwalader
22. Cravath
23. Goodwin Procter
24. Simpson Thacher
25. O’Melvany Myers (???)
26. Stroock & Stroock
27. Dechert
28. ???
29. DLA Piper (???)
30. ???

[Anonymous User]

Sorry if this has been answered already, but I don't feel like reading through 18 pages.
Does anybody know what the limit to the number of interviews you can schedule in one day? For example, if there are 12 firms I want to interview with on the 11th, but I can only do 9 interviews, I want to make sure I rank my top 9 before numbers 10-12 even if one of them has lower ranked first failed bid.

[Anonymous User]

Could someone give advice on what firms in the 20-30 bid list range I should be looking at as someone interested in corporate NYC? Mid-Stone. Open to bumping down Cravath and STB if necessary. Struggling to distinguish between a lot of them. Am I missing any or be removing any of these? (Again, all NYC)

20. Fried Frank
21. Cadwalader
22. Cravath
23. Goodwin Procter
24. Simpson Thacher
25. O’Melvany Myers (???)
26. Stroock & Stroock
27. Dechert
28. ???
29. DLA Piper (???)
30. ???

Wachtell (which would usually go in a 28-29 spot) is a fairly glaring omission. They basically define NY corporate.

[Anonymous User]

Could someone give advice on what firms in the 20-30 bid list range I should be looking at as someone interested in corporate NYC? Mid-Stone. Open to bumping down Cravath and STB if necessary. Struggling to distinguish between a lot of them. Am I missing any or be removing any of these? (Again, all NYC)

20. Fried Frank
21. Cadwalader
22. Cravath
23. Goodwin Procter
24. Simpson Thacher
25. O’Melvany Myers (???)
26. Stroock & Stroock
27. Dechert
28. ???
29. DLA Piper (???)
30. ???

Wachtell (which would usually go in a 28-29 spot) is a fairly glaring omission. They basically define NY corporate.

OP might not have the grades

[txdude45]

Edit: No one bit on my attempt to setup a McBain reference.

[Anonymous User]

Double-Stone, non-SA 3L here (ooo000ooo0o scaryyyyy ). Any advice on how to bid on 3L EIP?

Bump. Any info on how to bid to maximize the 6 or so available interviews would be greatly appreciated. Interested in Corporate/Tax.

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, Wachtell doesn't "define' New York corporate law, nor is it a glaring omission.

If you decide you want to throw something else in, you don't need to bid Cravath super high. I think they added 20 screeners from last year, IIRC. You'd at least be fine with right around where it fell last year (26).

[Anonymous User]

Sorry if this has been answered already, but I don't feel like reading through 18 pages.
Does anybody know what the limit to the number of interviews you can schedule in one day? For example, if there are 12 firms I want to interview with on the 11th, but I can only do 9 interviews, I want to make sure I rank my top 9 before numbers 10-12 even if one of them has lower ranked first failed bid.

I have never heard anyone talking about this as being a potential issue. Could someone confirm?

[junaman]

weren't allowed

adorable

OCS will reject your resume if it includes your law school GPA. Every firm you interview with at EIP will already have a copy of your resume when you get into the suite, so the one you put onto Symplicity obviously matters and OCS is the gatekeeper there. What you do when you mass mail is totally up to you.

you think ocs reads every resume you upload to symplicity? cute.

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[Anonymous User]

3.36, K-JD, targeting NY litigation. Okay interviewer. Very marginal diversity. This list started before I realized I missed the cutoff for Stone. Too aggressive? Any other firms I should consider?

1) Proskauer Rose
2) Kirkland & Ellis
3) Shearman & Sterling
4) Paul Hastings
5) WilmerHale
6) Debevoise
7) hogan lovells
8 ) Clifford Chance
9) Jones Day
10) Weil Gotshal
11) Allen & Overy
12) Milbank Tweed
13) Ropes & Gray
14) Morrison & Foerster
15) Willkie Farr
16) Schulte Roth & Zabel
17) Cleary
18) Paul Weiss
19) Akin Gump
20) Kramer Levin
21) Cadwalader
22) Mintz Levin
23) Pillsbury Winthrop
24) Dechert
25) Curtis, Mallet-Prevost
26) DLA Piper
27) Goulston & Storrs (MA)
28) Dentons
29) foley hoag (MA)
30) Vinson & Elkins

[Anonymous User]

Sorry if this has been answered already, but I don't feel like reading through 18 pages.
Does anybody know what the limit to the number of interviews you can schedule in one day? For example, if there are 12 firms I want to interview with on the 11th, but I can only do 9 interviews, I want to make sure I rank my top 9 before numbers 10-12 even if one of them has lower ranked first failed bid.

I have never heard anyone talking about this as being a potential issue. Could someone confirm?

I'll try to get in touch with June or Lois tomorrow and report back.

[Anonymous User]

3.36, K-JD, targeting NY litigation. Okay interviewer. Very marginal diversity. This list started before I realized I missed the cutoff for Stone. Too aggressive? Any other firms I should consider?

1) Proskauer Rose
2) Kirkland & Ellis
3) Shearman & Sterling
4) Paul Hastings
5) WilmerHale
6) Debevoise
7) Hogan Lovells
8 ) Clifford Chance
9) Jones Day
10) Weil Gotshal
11) Allen & Overy
12) Milbank Tweed
13) Ropes & Gray
14) Morrison & Foerster
15) Willkie Farr
16) Schulte Roth & Zabel
17) Cleary
18) Paul Weiss
19) Akin Gump
20) Kramer Levin
21) Cadwalader
22) Mintz Levin
23) Pillsbury Winthrop
24) Dechert
25) Curtis, Mallet-Prevost
26) DLA Piper
27) Goulston & Storrs (MA)
28) Dentons
29) Foley Hoag (MA)
30) Vinson & Elkins

I don't think it's too aggressive, considering you are targeting NYC and have a bunch of firms right in your range with a good mix of reaches. Your grades should make you competitive at most of these places. I'm a little concerned about getting interviews with the firms in the middle range though. It's very tight right now e.g. Milbank and Allen & Overy. You should consider dropping a firm somewhere higher on the list if you want to be safer with these firms by bumping them up.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

3.48; 2 years relevant WE; shooting for LA lit. lmk what y'all think

1. Boies (NYC)
2. Alston (LA)
3. Arnold (LA)
4. Debevoise (NYC)
5. Mofo (LA)
6. Weil (NYC)
7. Jones Day (LA)
8. Covington (NYC)
9. Paul, Weiss (NYC)
10. Cleary (NYC)
11. Paul Hastings (LA)
12. Davis Polk (NYC)
13. Skadden (LA)
14. Sheppard (LA)
15. Perkins Coie (LA)
16. Latham (LA)
17. O'Melveny (LA)
18. Simpson (NYC)
19. Kirkland (LA)
20. Sidley (LA)
21. Manatt (LA)
22. Akin Gump (LA)
23. White & Case (LA)
24. S&C (LA)
25. Proskauer (LA)
26. Gibson (LA)
27. Irell (LA)
28. Munger (LA)