School OCI Data Forum

[270910]

Right. His point was that the "70%" number from CLS was offers to OCI participants, while the "43%" number from Cornell was "of self reported 2Ls currently working this summer." There are actually several different reasons why those numbers aren't comparable to one another directly, of course, but just listing them as flat percentages in a list is deceiving.

I understand. I don't know the sources of the numbers people are offering, so I can't really tell if the data is comparable.

Let me be more specific.

I believe the numbers given for Chicago are similar to Cornell's insofar as they indicate the percentage of the class in a summer associate class this summer. Obviously, there are many factors to consider when comparing even these numbers. For instance, perhaps a greater percentage of Cornell's class desparately tried to get biglaw, exhausting all avenues, while a significant portion of qualified individuals in Chicago's class never attempted. That would be the sort of scenario that would result in the greatest latent disparity between the figures, but it is certainly possible.

It is still somewhat helpful to try to compare percentages of 2010 SA placements, so I will still solicit statistics. If anyone is offering a number, please make sure it is based on similar data. We can all then continue to speculate ad infinitum about what these numbers truly tell us.

Sounds good to me. We're all on the same side here.

[holydonkey]

This data is all self reported by (more or less) anonymous users. I wouldn't be at all surprised if people are just mixing up precisely what they mean. If at least 127 different human beings attend Suffolk's OCI and conduct interviews with their students on behalf of legal employers, I will consume both shoes I am currently wearing on a live web cam.

Seriously. I'm not 100% on what BU of BC OCI is like this year, but there's no way Suffolk is outperforming either of them.

Go to their career services website, they have different PDF's with OCI for public interest, government, IP, and firms.

So it looks like 32 employers at the OCIs, plus 2 fellowship programs. 11 at off campus recruiting. 6 doing resume collection. 13 in SEND DIRECT. 4 through the Massachusetts Law School Consortium's National Recruitment Program. Even if you add all those up, you get 68. Not sure where the other employers are coming from. The public interest info looks like it's from Spring 2010.

http://www.law.suffolk.edu/offices/care ... ules10.pdf

That's still a good number for Suffolk, but not 127.

[thechecker]

This data is all self reported by (more or less) anonymous users. I wouldn't be at all surprised if people are just mixing up precisely what they mean. If at least 127 different human beings attend Suffolk's OCI and conduct interviews with their students on behalf of legal employers, I will consume both shoes I am currently wearing on a live web cam.

Seriously. I'm not 100% on what BU of BC OCI is like this year, but there's no way Suffolk is outperforming either of them.

Go to their career services website, they have different PDF's with OCI for public interest, government, IP, and firms.

So it looks like 32 employers at the OCIs, plus 2 fellowship programs. 11 at off campus recruiting. 6 doing resume collection. 13 in SEND DIRECT. 4 through the Massachusetts Law School Consortium's National Recruitment Program. Even if you add all those up, you get 68. Not sure where the other employers are coming from. The public interest info looks like it's from Spring 2010.

http://www.law.suffolk.edu/offices/care ... ules10.pdf

That's still a good number for Suffolk, but not 127.

I added the Spring (which has more PI/Gov only), and then they have an addition list that is not a PDF on the CampusCruiser site with firms that have already filled interview spots and not taking anymore. The total number of companies that have already returned their interview lists is 32, looking closer it looks like there are some overlaps (with NLJ firms like Ropes & Gray and Goulston & Storrs) though. The 66(68) plus the 32 no longer excepting resumes brings you to 100 total. So by removing the spring pi/government it is still a decent number. Also, I guess its important to keep in mind there are about 500 students per class though.

[Anonymous User]

Some updates and slight changes.

2. CRAVATH: T14, Texas, BC, BU, Fordham, BYU, Howard

http://www.cravath.com/interviewschedule/

4. SKADDEN: T14, UCLA, Texas, Vanderbilt, USC, GWU, Notre Dame, BU, BC, W&L, Fordham, UConn, Tulane, Loyola Los Angeles, American, Houston, Temple, Villanova, Howard, Widener

http://www.skadden.com/recruiting/recru ... lView=list

6. SIMPSON THACHER: T14, UCLA, Texas, USC, GWU, Fordham, Hastings, Brooklyn, St. John's, Santa Clara, Howard

http://www.stblaw.com/recruit_calendar.cfm

7. WEIL: Yale (NYC, SV), Harvard (BOS, DAL, HOU, NYC, SV), Stanford (DAL, NYC, SV), Columbia (DAL, MIA, NYC, SV), NYU (MIA, NYC, SV), Chicago (NYC, DC), Michigan (NYC), Virginia (NYC, DC), Berkeley (NYC, SV), Penn (MIA, NYC, DC), Duke (NYC), Northwestern (NYC, SV), Cornell (NYC), GULC (NYC, DC), Texas (DAL, HOU, NYC, SV), GWU (NYC), BC (BOS), BU (BOS), Fordham (NYC), Hastings (SV), Florida (MIA), Miami (MIA), Cardozo (NYC), Brooklyn (NYC), NYLS (NYC), St. John's (NYC), SMU (DAL), Santa Clara (SV), Houston (HOU), San Francisco (SV), Howard (NYC), Suffolk (BOS)

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8. WILLIAMS & CONNOLLY: T14 (minus NYU, Cornell, & Berkeley), Texas.

http://www.wc.com/careers-summer-schedule.html

10. COVINGTON & BURLING: Yale (NYC, SF, DC), Harvard (NYC, SF, SV, DC), Stanford (SF, SV, DC), Columbia (NYC, DC), NYU (NYC, Dc), Chicago (NYC, SF, DC), Michigan (DC), Virginia (NYC, DC), Berkeley (SD, SF, SV, DC), Penn (DC), Duke (DC), Northwestern (DC), Cornell (DC), GULC (DC), UCLA (SD), Texas (DC), WashU/Miami/Tulane (DC), GWU (NYC, DC), Fordham (NYC), GMU (DC), Maryland (DC), UNC (DC), Howard (DC)

http://www.cov.com/careers/washington/s ... ecruiting/

13. DEBEVOISE: T14 (minus Northwestern), Texas, WUSTL, Fordham, Tulane, Cardozo, Brooklyn, NYLS, Rutgers, St. John's, Howard

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15. LATHAM: T14, UCLA, Texas, USC, GWU, Notre Dame, Illinois, Fordham, Hastings, USD, Loyola Los Angeles, Houston, Howard, Irvine.

http://www.lw.com/Careers.aspx?page=Car ... Interviews

18. JONES DAY: T14, UCLA, Texas, Vanderbilt, USC, WUSTL, GWU, Notre Dame, Illinois, W&L, Minnesota, Indiana, Fordham, Emory, Hastings, Davis, UNC, Wisconsin, Georgia, Georgia State, Ohio State, Tulane, Loyola Los Angeles, Case Western, Catholic, American, Maryland, Cardozo, Pitt, Santa Clara, SMU, Houston, Cleveland State, Howard, Irvine.

http://www.jonesdaycareers.com/offices/ ... bsection=1

31. MAYER BROWN: T14 (minus Cornell), UCLA, Texas, USC, Illinois, Hastings, UNC, Wake, Loyola Los Angeles, Howard, Houston.

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[270910]

Some updates and slight changes.

2. CRAVATH: T14, Texas, BC, BU, Fordham, BYU, Howard

http://www.cravath.com/interviewschedule/

4. SKADDEN: T14, UCLA, Texas, Vanderbilt, USC, GWU, Notre Dame, BU, BC, W&L, Fordham, UConn, Tulane, Loyola Los Angeles, American, Houston, Temple, Villanova, Howard, Widener

http://www.skadden.com/recruiting/recru ... lView=list

6. SIMPSON THACHER: T14, UCLA, Texas, USC, GWU, Fordham, Hastings, Brooklyn, St. John's, Santa Clara, Howard

http://www.stblaw.com/recruit_calendar.cfm

7. WEIL: Yale (NYC, SV), Harvard (BOS, DAL, HOU, NYC, SV), Stanford (DAL, NYC, SV), Columbia (DAL, MIA, NYC, SV), NYU (MIA, NYC, SV), Chicago (NYC, DC), Michigan (NYC), Virginia (NYC, DC), Berkeley (NYC, SV), Penn (MIA, NYC, DC), Duke (NYC), Northwestern (NYC, SV), Cornell (NYC), GULC (NYC, DC), Texas (DAL, HOU, NYC, SV), GWU (NYC), BC (BOS), BU (BOS), Fordham (NYC), Hastings (SV), Florida (MIA), Miami (MIA), Cardozo (NYC), Brooklyn (NYC), NYLS (NYC), St. John's (NYC), SMU (DAL), Santa Clara (SV), Houston (HOU), San Francisco (SV), Howard (NYC), Suffolk (BOS)

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8. WILLIAMS & CONNOLLY: T14 (minus NYU, Cornell, & Berkeley), Texas.

http://www.wc.com/careers-summer-schedule.html

10. COVINGTON & BURLING: Yale (NYC, SF, DC), Harvard (NYC, SF, SV, DC), Stanford (SF, SV, DC), Columbia (NYC, DC), NYU (NYC, Dc), Chicago (NYC, SF, DC), Michigan (DC), Virginia (NYC, DC), Berkeley (SD, SF, SV, DC), Penn (DC), Duke (DC), Northwestern (DC), Cornell (DC), GULC (DC), UCLA (SD), Texas (DC), WashU/Miami/Tulane (DC), GWU (NYC, DC), Fordham (NYC), GMU (DC), Maryland (DC), UNC (DC), Howard (DC)

http://www.cov.com/careers/washington/s ... ecruiting/

13. DEBEVOISE: T14 (minus Northwestern), Texas, WUSTL, Fordham, Tulane, Cardozo, Brooklyn, NYLS, Rutgers, St. John's, Howard

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15. LATHAM: T14, UCLA, Texas, USC, GWU, Notre Dame, Illinois, Fordham, Hastings, USD, Loyola Los Angeles, Houston, Howard, Irvine.

http://www.lw.com/Careers.aspx?page=Car ... Interviews

18. JONES DAY: T14, UCLA, Texas, Vanderbilt, USC, WUSTL, GWU, Notre Dame, Illinois, W&L, Minnesota, Indiana, Fordham, Emory, Hastings, Davis, UNC, Wisconsin, Georgia, Georgia State, Ohio State, Tulane, Loyola Los Angeles, Case Western, Catholic, American, Maryland, Cardozo, Pitt, Santa Clara, SMU, Houston, Cleveland State, Howard, Irvine.

http://www.jonesdaycareers.com/offices/ ... bsection=1

31. MAYER BROWN: T14 (minus Cornell), UCLA, Texas, USC, Illinois, Hastings, UNC, Wake, Loyola Los Angeles, Howard, Houston.

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Rock on, anon. Very useful.

[Anonymous User]

Some updates and slight changes.

2. CRAVATH: T14, Texas, BC, BU, Fordham, BYU, Howard

http://www.cravath.com/interviewschedule/

4. SKADDEN: T14, UCLA, Texas, Vanderbilt, USC, GWU, Notre Dame, BU, BC, W&L, Fordham, UConn, Tulane, Loyola Los Angeles, American, Houston, Temple, Villanova, Howard, Widener

http://www.skadden.com/recruiting/recru ... lView=list

6. SIMPSON THACHER: T14, UCLA, Texas, USC, GWU, Fordham, Hastings, Brooklyn, St. John's, Santa Clara, Howard

http://www.stblaw.com/recruit_calendar.cfm

7. WEIL: Yale (NYC, SV), Harvard (BOS, DAL, HOU, NYC, SV), Stanford (DAL, NYC, SV), Columbia (DAL, MIA, NYC, SV), NYU (MIA, NYC, SV), Chicago (NYC, DC), Michigan (NYC), Virginia (NYC, DC), Berkeley (NYC, SV), Penn (MIA, NYC, DC), Duke (NYC), Northwestern (NYC, SV), Cornell (NYC), GULC (NYC, DC), Texas (DAL, HOU, NYC, SV), GWU (NYC), BC (BOS), BU (BOS), Fordham (NYC), Hastings (SV), Florida (MIA), Miami (MIA), Cardozo (NYC), Brooklyn (NYC), NYLS (NYC), St. John's (NYC), SMU (DAL), Santa Clara (SV), Houston (HOU), San Francisco (SV), Howard (NYC), Suffolk (BOS)

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8. WILLIAMS & CONNOLLY: T14 (minus NYU, Cornell, & Berkeley), Texas.

http://www.wc.com/careers-summer-schedule.html

10. COVINGTON & BURLING: Yale (NYC, SF, DC), Harvard (NYC, SF, SV, DC), Stanford (SF, SV, DC), Columbia (NYC, DC), NYU (NYC, Dc), Chicago (NYC, SF, DC), Michigan (DC), Virginia (NYC, DC), Berkeley (SD, SF, SV, DC), Penn (DC), Duke (DC), Northwestern (DC), Cornell (DC), GULC (DC), UCLA (SD), Texas (DC), WashU/Miami/Tulane (DC), GWU (NYC, DC), Fordham (NYC), GMU (DC), Maryland (DC), UNC (DC), Howard (DC)

http://www.cov.com/careers/washington/s ... ecruiting/

13. DEBEVOISE: T14 (minus Northwestern), Texas, WUSTL, Fordham, Tulane, Cardozo, Brooklyn, NYLS, Rutgers, St. John's, Howard

--LinkRemoved-- ... sschedule/

15. LATHAM: T14, UCLA, Texas, USC, GWU, Notre Dame, Illinois, Fordham, Hastings, USD, Loyola Los Angeles, Houston, Howard, Irvine.

http://www.lw.com/Careers.aspx?page=Car ... Interviews

18. JONES DAY: T14, UCLA, Texas, Vanderbilt, USC, WUSTL, GWU, Notre Dame, Illinois, W&L, Minnesota, Indiana, Fordham, Emory, Hastings, Davis, UNC, Wisconsin, Georgia, Georgia State, Ohio State, Tulane, Loyola Los Angeles, Case Western, Catholic, American, Maryland, Cardozo, Pitt, Santa Clara, SMU, Houston, Cleveland State, Howard, Irvine.

http://www.jonesdaycareers.com/offices/ ... bsection=1

31. MAYER BROWN: T14 (minus Cornell), UCLA, Texas, USC, Illinois, Hastings, UNC, Wake, Loyola Los Angeles, Howard, Houston.

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Rock on, anon. Very useful.

Yeah, for those in the top 15% . . .

[Anonymous User]

Career Services at GULC told me to expect 6-10 interviews. I have nothing to compare this to, but I assume it was much higher in the past?

God I hope I get a job.

Are you at median serious?

ftfy.

Really? 6? If I only got 6 I would /self.

That's pretty brutal. At my MVP, OCS said to expect ~15 or so, but that was the average last year, and we have 130 more biglaw offices this year, so I expect the number to be a tad higher.

[VictoryFord]

good info.

mayer brown is doing on campus interviews at fordham.

not to toot our horn, but we have 80 V100 firms doing oci, and another 10 doing resume collect.

at least the 15% of us that get jobs will get prestigious ones.

[rayiner]

What the hell does Debvoise have against NU. They didn't do OCI here even during the boom.

[270910]

What the hell does Debvoise have against NU. They didn't do OCI here even during the boom.

Firms are weird.

Williams & Connolly gets the most people from Harvard, UVA, and Georgetown. Yale and Duke do extremely well per capita. They still hire a decent number from Columbia - but then have almost nobody from NYU, and don't even do OCI there.

Firms are weird.

[SuichiKurama]

What the hell does Debvoise have against NU. They didn't do OCI here even during the boom.

Firms are weird.

Williams & Connolly gets the most people from Harvard, UVA, and Georgetown. Yale and Duke do extremely well per capita. They still hire a decent number from Columbia - but then have almost nobody from NYU, and don't even do OCI there.

Firms are weird.

That's not really weird when you look at their location.

[270910]

What the hell does Debvoise have against NU. They didn't do OCI here even during the boom.

Firms are weird.

Williams & Connolly gets the most people from Harvard, UVA, and Georgetown. Yale and Duke do extremely well per capita. They still hire a decent number from Columbia - but then have almost nobody from NYU, and don't even do OCI there.

Firms are weird.

That's not really weird when you look at their location.

The weird part is the next sentence. The first part just shows - and I'll agree it's perfectly normal - that connections and geography matter even within the T14 (since Gtown dominates despite not even being T13).

[Anonymous User]

What the hell does Debvoise have against NU. They didn't do OCI here even during the boom.

Firms are weird.

Williams & Connolly gets the most people from Harvard, UVA, and Georgetown. Yale and Duke do extremely well per capita. They still hire a decent number from Columbia - but then have almost nobody from NYU, and don't even do OCI there.

Firms are weird.

That's not really weird when you look at their location.

The weird part is the next sentence. The first part just shows - and I'll agree it's perfectly normal - that connections and geography matter even within the T14 (since Gtown dominates despite not even being T13).

How is the next sentence weird? Duke is one of the closer T-14s to DC, and Yale is Yale.

[Grizz]

The weird part is the next sentence. The first part just shows - and I'll agree it's perfectly normal - that connections and geography matter even within the T14 (since Gtown dominates despite not even being T13).

The more I keep reading this stuff, this is the general impression I get as well.

[270910]

How is the next sentence weird?

When I said next sentence, I meant the one that Kurama didn't bold. The on that says they attend OCI at Columbia and hire from there but don't / rarely do from NYU.

[como]

What the hell does Debvoise have against NU. They didn't do OCI here even during the boom.

They hate on Corny too. They do come to OCI, but I don't know why.

[bwv812]

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[dgthree]

Where do you find the % placed in SA positions? Are they on independent sites or mostly found through the school if they report it?

[como]

Where do you find the % placed in SA positions? Are they on independent sites or mostly found through the school if they report it?

They are most likely internally distributed at your school.

[270910]

Williams & Connolly gets the most people from Harvard, UVA, and Georgetown. Yale and Duke do extremely well per capita. They still hire a decent number from Columbia - but then have almost nobody from NYU, and don't even do OCI there.

Firms are weird.

That's not really weird when you look at their location.

The weird part is the next sentence. The first part just shows - and I'll agree it's perfectly normal - that connections and geography matter even within the T14 (since Gtown dominates despite not even being T13).

Looks like W&C hires about 3 people per year from here, with virtually all of them well into the top 10%. Not sure if this is dominating.

Firm only takes ~25 summers per year. A plurality of W&C attorneys went to Georgetown. What else is domination?

[BunkMoreland]

The data anon posted just further distresses me about Vandy's ability to place in BIGLAW outside of the South.

[Grizz]

The data anon posted just further distresses me about Vandy's ability to place in BIGLAW outside of the South.

Good think I never want to leave the South.

[wiseowl]

looks like all you got to do ITE is go to Howard and rock it

[bwv812]

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[270910]

The weird part is the next sentence. The first part just shows - and I'll agree it's perfectly normal - that connections and geography matter even within the T14 (since Gtown dominates despite not even being T13).

Looks like W&C hires about 3 people per year from here, with virtually all of them well into the top 10%. Not sure if this is dominating.

Firm only takes ~25 summers per year. A plurality of W&C attorneys went to Georgetown. What else is domination?

Really? Their website shows 34 from GULC, and 46 from Harvard. UVa has 27 despite being a little over half our size. So despite having a huge class size and people who are self-selecting to DC, we're being outplaced by HLS in absolute terms and by a number of other schools (including Duke, Yale, and Chicago) in relative terms. I would hardly call this domination.

zoops, I thought G had more than H, my bad. Well they're number two then

And with a firm that selective, you can't really just divide by class size and call it a day. There are so few people they consider from ANY law school, you know?