HLS EIP 2021 Forum

[Anonymous User]

did DPW NY do a lot of pre-oci this year? was talking to a friend at a different school, they told me DPW has hosted offer events before EIP, and 40ish offeree showed up. I am shook ... isn't pre-oci strictly forbidden at basically all major NY market feeder schools (HLS/CLS/NYU)? 40ish means approximately half of the summer class has been filled before recruiting process actually started at any of the feeder schools. seems really sus

Yeah DPW & Latham are the biggest offenders of this. And unfortunately, nothing will happen.

[Anonymous User]

did DPW NY do a lot of pre-oci this year? was talking to a friend at a different school, they told me DPW has hosted offer events before EIP, and 40ish offeree showed up. I am shook ... isn't pre-oci strictly forbidden at basically all major NY market feeder schools (HLS/CLS/NYU)? 40ish means approximately half of the summer class has been filled before recruiting process actually started at any of the feeder schools. seems really sus

20% of them were from Upenn I heard

[Anonymous User]

Yeah DPW & Latham are the biggest offenders of this. And unfortunately, nothing will happen.

If you check the pre OCI thread that was floating around a few weeks back, you also see a ton of Weil

[Anonymous User]

one of the screening partners called, or someone you had the CB with?

One of the screening partners - the person I talked with at EIP

did my CB Thursday and have heard nothing. thinking it could be a ding at this point. but thanks for the info.

Ugh i'm sorry, that's not a good feeling. Hold out hope though - i've gotten offers days after other people have heard, and I thought the ding was imminent as well. Why don't you email recruiting and tell them how much you enjoyed meeting, and when you should expect to hear? I did that with DPW, and ended up getting an offer like two hours later, even when I didn't hear from them for a while.

thanks, that's a good idea. I'll probably do that tomorrow. have you heard of anyone else getting a Gibson offer a few days after a cb?

Unfortunately, I haven't really talked to anyone about what offers they have received, besides seeing what was on this page.

Gibson has handed offers 24-48 hours after interviews, so folks have gotten offers.

Did my CB Thursday morning, but I haven't heard anything yet. do you think it's a likely ding? Have you heard of anyone getting an offer more than 48 hours after?

[Anonymous User]

One of the screening partners - the person I talked with at EIP

did my CB Thursday and have heard nothing. thinking it could be a ding at this point. but thanks for the info.

Ugh i'm sorry, that's not a good feeling. Hold out hope though - i've gotten offers days after other people have heard, and I thought the ding was imminent as well. Why don't you email recruiting and tell them how much you enjoyed meeting, and when you should expect to hear? I did that with DPW, and ended up getting an offer like two hours later, even when I didn't hear from them for a while.

thanks, that's a good idea. I'll probably do that tomorrow. have you heard of anyone else getting a Gibson offer a few days after a cb?

Unfortunately, I haven't really talked to anyone about what offers they have received, besides seeing what was on this page.

Gibson has handed offers 24-48 hours after interviews, so folks have gotten offers.

Did my CB Thursday morning, but I haven't heard anything yet. do you think it's a likely ding? Have you heard of anyone getting an offer more than 48 hours after?

I know other folks haven't heard back yet either, so I am sure you are still a strong candidate!!! Plus Thursday is the end of the week. So I wouldn't lose hope at all.

[Anonymous User]

Where are folks on DPW offers? Did anyone get any over the weekend? I know people seem to get them 2-7 days after their callbacks, but just curious if they were making decisions today and yesterday.

[Anonymous User]

did DPW NY do a lot of pre-oci this year? was talking to a friend at a different school, they told me DPW has hosted offer events before EIP, and 40ish offeree showed up. I am shook ... isn't pre-oci strictly forbidden at basically all major NY market feeder schools (HLS/CLS/NYU)? 40ish means approximately half of the summer class has been filled before recruiting process actually started at any of the feeder schools. seems really sus

20% of them were from Upenn I heard

So UPenn doesn't have restrictions on Pre-OCI? I am really mad at our OCS right now lol, friends at CLS/NYU said the same thing, they felt their chances are hindered bc of the stupid pre-oci rules, or rather, some schools/firms not following those rules.

[Anonymous User]

did my CB Thursday and have heard nothing. thinking it could be a ding at this point. but thanks for the info.

Ugh i'm sorry, that's not a good feeling. Hold out hope though - i've gotten offers days after other people have heard, and I thought the ding was imminent as well. Why don't you email recruiting and tell them how much you enjoyed meeting, and when you should expect to hear? I did that with DPW, and ended up getting an offer like two hours later, even when I didn't hear from them for a while.

thanks, that's a good idea. I'll probably do that tomorrow. have you heard of anyone else getting a Gibson offer a few days after a cb?

Unfortunately, I haven't really talked to anyone about what offers they have received, besides seeing what was on this page.

Gibson has handed offers 24-48 hours after interviews, so folks have gotten offers.

Did my CB Thursday morning, but I haven't heard anything yet. do you think it's a likely ding? Have you heard of anyone getting an offer more than 48 hours after?

I know other folks haven't heard back yet either, so I am sure you are still a strong candidate!!! Plus Thursday is the end of the week. So I wouldn't lose hope at all.

Thank you!!! Do you know when those folks did their CBs?

[Anonymous User]

did DPW NY do a lot of pre-oci this year? was talking to a friend at a different school, they told me DPW has hosted offer events before EIP, and 40ish offeree showed up. I am shook ... isn't pre-oci strictly forbidden at basically all major NY market feeder schools (HLS/CLS/NYU)? 40ish means approximately half of the summer class has been filled before recruiting process actually started at any of the feeder schools. seems really sus

20% of them were from Upenn I heard

So UPenn doesn't have restrictions on Pre-OCI? I am really mad at our OCS right now lol, friends at CLS/NYU said the same thing, they felt their chances are hindered bc of the stupid pre-oci rules, or rather, some schools/firms not following those rules.

That being said, I know for a fact that there are students at HLS/CLS/NYU/etc that disregarded the school policies and simply participated in Pre-OCI. I mean these schools are afraid to enforce and actually ban DPW/Latham/Weil/etc and everyone knows it.

Advice for next year's class: just participate in Pre-OCI as OCS will not actually enforce the policies.

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone gotten or heard of a Gibson DC offer yet?

Yes, CB early last week.

[Anonymous User]

Is the resume book program same thing as mass mailing?

[Anonymous User]

Anyone heard from Gunderson post cb?

[Anonymous User]

Debevoise offer! CB on Thurs

[Anonymous User]

did DPW NY do a lot of pre-oci this year? was talking to a friend at a different school, they told me DPW has hosted offer events before EIP, and 40ish offeree showed up. I am shook ... isn't pre-oci strictly forbidden at basically all major NY market feeder schools (HLS/CLS/NYU)? 40ish means approximately half of the summer class has been filled before recruiting process actually started at any of the feeder schools. seems really sus

20% of them were from Upenn I heard

So UPenn doesn't have restrictions on Pre-OCI? I am really mad at our OCS right now lol, friends at CLS/NYU said the same thing, they felt their chances are hindered bc of the stupid pre-oci rules, or rather, some schools/firms not following those rules.

That being said, I know for a fact that there are students at HLS/CLS/NYU/etc that disregarded the school policies and simply participated in Pre-OCI. I mean these schools are afraid to enforce and actually ban DPW/Latham/Weil/etc and everyone knows it.

Advice for next year's class: just participate in Pre-OCI as OCS will not actually enforce the policies.

NYU student here. Anyone who had the grades to have a reasonable chance of getting pre-OCI CBs and offers should have been mass applying before the recruiting season started in earnest. OCS have shown that they are powerless to stop pre-OCI activities as demonstrated by years past. It's why the NALP guidelines broke down.

And yes, many NYU students received CBs and offers before our WIP even started (at least, amongst my social groups).

[Anonymous User]

did DPW NY do a lot of pre-oci this year? was talking to a friend at a different school, they told me DPW has hosted offer events before EIP, and 40ish offeree showed up. I am shook ... isn't pre-oci strictly forbidden at basically all major NY market feeder schools (HLS/CLS/NYU)? 40ish means approximately half of the summer class has been filled before recruiting process actually started at any of the feeder schools. seems really sus

20% of them were from Upenn I heard

So UPenn doesn't have restrictions on Pre-OCI? I am really mad at our OCS right now lol, friends at CLS/NYU said the same thing, they felt their chances are hindered bc of the stupid pre-oci rules, or rather, some schools/firms not following those rules.

That being said, I know for a fact that there are students at HLS/CLS/NYU/etc that disregarded the school policies and simply participated in Pre-OCI. I mean these schools are afraid to enforce and actually ban DPW/Latham/Weil/etc and everyone knows it.

Advice for next year's class: just participate in Pre-OCI as OCS will not actually enforce the policies.

NYU student here. Anyone who had the grades to have a reasonable chance of getting pre-OCI CBs and offers should have been mass applying before the recruiting season started in earnest. OCS have shown that they are powerless to stop pre-OCI activities as demonstrated by years past. It's why the NALP guidelines broke down.

And yes, many NYU students received CBs and offers before our WIP even started (at least, amongst my social groups).

CLS student. Similar experience.

[Anonymous User]

did DPW NY do a lot of pre-oci this year? was talking to a friend at a different school, they told me DPW has hosted offer events before EIP, and 40ish offeree showed up. I am shook ... isn't pre-oci strictly forbidden at basically all major NY market feeder schools (HLS/CLS/NYU)? 40ish means approximately half of the summer class has been filled before recruiting process actually started at any of the feeder schools. seems really sus

20% of them were from Upenn I heard

So UPenn doesn't have restrictions on Pre-OCI? I am really mad at our OCS right now lol, friends at CLS/NYU said the same thing, they felt their chances are hindered bc of the stupid pre-oci rules, or rather, some schools/firms not following those rules.

That being said, I know for a fact that there are students at HLS/CLS/NYU/etc that disregarded the school policies and simply participated in Pre-OCI. I mean these schools are afraid to enforce and actually ban DPW/Latham/Weil/etc and everyone knows it.

Advice for next year's class: just participate in Pre-OCI as OCS will not actually enforce the policies.

NYU student here. Anyone who had the grades to have a reasonable chance of getting pre-OCI CBs and offers should have been mass applying before the recruiting season started in earnest. OCS have shown that they are powerless to stop pre-OCI activities as demonstrated by years past. It's why the NALP guidelines broke down.

And yes, many NYU students received CBs and offers before our WIP even started (at least, amongst my social groups).

are they diverse candidates?

[Anonymous User]

did DPW NY do a lot of pre-oci this year? was talking to a friend at a different school, they told me DPW has hosted offer events before EIP, and 40ish offeree showed up. I am shook ... isn't pre-oci strictly forbidden at basically all major NY market feeder schools (HLS/CLS/NYU)? 40ish means approximately half of the summer class has been filled before recruiting process actually started at any of the feeder schools. seems really sus

20% of them were from Upenn I heard

So UPenn doesn't have restrictions on Pre-OCI? I am really mad at our OCS right now lol, friends at CLS/NYU said the same thing, they felt their chances are hindered bc of the stupid pre-oci rules, or rather, some schools/firms not following those rules.

That being said, I know for a fact that there are students at HLS/CLS/NYU/etc that disregarded the school policies and simply participated in Pre-OCI. I mean these schools are afraid to enforce and actually ban DPW/Latham/Weil/etc and everyone knows it.

Advice for next year's class: just participate in Pre-OCI as OCS will not actually enforce the policies.

NYU student here. Anyone who had the grades to have a reasonable chance of getting pre-OCI CBs and offers should have been mass applying before the recruiting season started in earnest. OCS have shown that they are powerless to stop pre-OCI activities as demonstrated by years past. It's why the NALP guidelines broke down.

And yes, many NYU students received CBs and offers before our WIP even started (at least, amongst my social groups).

are they diverse candidates?

NYU OP. Mix of diverse and non-diverse friends, with slight lean towards diverse candidates (probably a function of my own diverse background). But seems like 2L pre-OCI activities were open for all.

Frankly, people shouldn't have been surprised by this. Pre-OCI recruiting has been a thing ever since the Great Recession, going by past TLS threads. It's just a little different this year with the 1L/2L grades situation, but firms were still determined to get the candidates they wanted.

[Anonymous User]

I think an important consideration with pre-OCI hiring processes is that they favor savvy or connected students. I had a great OCI and have gotten offers, but I did not apply pre-OCI at OCI firms because Career Services expressly forbade it. I think the solutions are either to strictly regulate pre-OCI (i.e. have policies with actual teeth) or simply lift the restrictions. As it is, students who know how the system works in advance are the ones reaping the benefits, which runs exactly counter to the equity-based justifications that schools have for disallowing pre-OCI.

[Anonymous User]

I think an important consideration with pre-OCI hiring processes is that they favor savvy or connected students. I had a great OCI and have gotten offers, but I did not apply pre-OCI at OCI firms because Career Services expressly forbade it. I think the solutions are either to strictly regulate pre-OCI (i.e. have policies with actual teeth) or simply lift the restrictions. As it is, students who know how the system works in advance are the ones reaping the benefits, which runs exactly counter to the equity-based justifications that schools have for disallowing pre-OCI.

NYU OP. The restrictions are entirely self-imposed. It's an absolute farce that our OCS (and others) are choosing this path when many of our peers are not only allowing but actively encouraging pre-OCI search. Also, any attempts at imposing policies will never succeed because past recruiting patterns are not coming back. There are entire markets that give out offers before 1L grades hit.

[Anonymous User]

Odds that more callbacks are sent out this week? Trying to decide if I've been ghosted or if there is any hope

[Anonymous User]

Odds that more callbacks are sent out this week? Trying to decide if I've been ghosted or if there is any hope

Unfortunately, you should assume you've been dinged and get to mass mailing (if you haven't already)

[Anonymous User]

Have Kirkland DC offers gone out yet?

[Anonymous User]

Odds that more callbacks are sent out this week? Trying to decide if I've been ghosted or if there is any hope

I got a CB last Saturday.

[Anonymous User]

Have Kirkland DC offers gone out yet?

Yes, they have been going out.

[Anonymous User]

Cleary NY offer