Georgetown OCI 2019 Forum

[Anonymous User]

I hope this OCI season prompts some soul searching for GULC. Our top 10% can’t get callbacks in what should be a home market but they still are taking 100+ transfers each year.

Or maybe your inability to get callbacks is because you blame other people for your own problems.

C'mon, everyone knows that GULC's placement in BigLaw is subpar. Would love to know the percentage of GULCers who wanted a position in D.C. and got one.

[Anonymous User]

As a rising 3L, hearing from those who went through the OCI process this year it does seem a bit rougher than last.

I am sorry to those who are going through it.

[megsee333]

Kinda like Williams and Connolly's ding letter. First, addresses you by your last name. I like not being on a first name basis with the person who is about to ding me. Second, no B.S. about how the interviewer enjoyed speaking with you so much. Just pure and unadulterated ding.

Was it snail mail or email?

[Anonymous User]

I hope this OCI season prompts some soul searching for GULC. Our top 10% can’t get callbacks in what should be a home market but they still are taking 100+ transfers each year.

Or maybe your inability to get callbacks is because you blame other people for your own problems.

Don't be a jerk

Sorry. I'm a transfer. The implication that somehow it's my fault that somebody with better grades than me isn't getting callbacks rubs me the wrong way. Especially when transfers typically don't do as well at OCI.

[notinbiglaw]

DC is tough market for everyone.

I do think GULC home field advantage in DC. It’s just not big enough of an advantage to make GULC students favorites over, for example, UPenn, students.

If I had to venture a guess, I’d say about 25% +- 5% of GULC class ends up in DC biglaw or at least got such an offer.

[Anonymous User]

I hope this OCI season prompts some soul searching for GULC. Our top 10% can’t get callbacks in what should be a home market but they still are taking 100+ transfers each year.

Or maybe your inability to get callbacks is because you blame other people for your own problems.

Don't be a jerk

Sorry. I'm a transfer. The implication that somehow it's my fault that somebody with better grades than me isn't getting callbacks rubs me the wrong way. Especially when transfers typically don't do as well at OCI.

No worries (and welcome). It's just that some people who assumed they would be rolling in callbacks aren't and that's really deflating, disillusioning, and disappointing

[Anonymous User]

Kinda like Williams and Connolly's ding letter. First, addresses you by your last name. I like not being on a first name basis with the person who is about to ding me. Second, no B.S. about how the interviewer enjoyed speaking with you so much. Just pure and unadulterated ding.

Was it snail mail or email?

Email

[Anonymous User]

I hope this OCI season prompts some soul searching for GULC. Our top 10% can’t get callbacks in what should be a home market but they still are taking 100+ transfers each year.

Or maybe your inability to get callbacks is because you blame other people for your own problems.

Don't be a jerk

Sorry. I'm a transfer. The implication that somehow it's my fault that somebody with better grades than me isn't getting callbacks rubs me the wrong way. Especially when transfers typically don't do as well at OCI.

No worries (and welcome). It's just that some people who assumed they would be rolling in callbacks aren't and that's really deflating, disillusioning, and disappointing

Yeah I get that. And I had a couple firms I thought I was a uniquely good fit for (and one I was definitely preselected for) that dinged me super fast. Hard to predict how this market works!

This summer has definitely been stressful.

[Anonymous User]

For those of us with high grades (let's say non-transfer) who are having major problems in DC, how would you rate your interview/conversational skills? Personally I don't consider myself a bad interviewer, but also not a "home run" interviewer (especially on conversational skills). Theres probably some personal awkwardness and nervousness, but I've certainly had success with interviews pre-LS. Also I realize now that I didnt put in a 110% effort to stand out.

It may be that in dc, firms can choose just the tippy top, which is more so on the "home run interviewer" side than the "top 10%" side.

[Anonymous User]

I hope this OCI season prompts some soul searching for GULC. Our top 10% can’t get callbacks in what should be a home market but they still are taking 100+ transfers each year.

Or maybe your inability to get callbacks is because you blame other people for your own problems.

I am not top 10%, targeted NY and have callbacks. I am speaking to a larger problem at GULC. No need to be rude

[Anonymous User]

Linklaters ding via email...I didn't even interview with them so...that's something.

[Anonymous User]

For those of us with high grades (let's say non-transfer) who are having major problems in DC, how would you rate your interview/conversational skills? Personally I don't consider myself a bad interviewer, but also not a "home run" interviewer (especially on conversational skills). Theres probably some personal awkwardness and nervousness, but I've certainly had success with interviews pre-LS. Also I realize now that I didnt put in a 110% effort to stand out.

It may be that in dc, firms can choose just the tippy top, which is more so on the "home run interviewer" side than the "top 10%" side.

Could be . . . but when a school places upward of 50% in BigLaw, you would've thought that top 10% would have an easier time.

I just think that a 3.5 who is charming (in a 20 minute interview) and good-looking is more attractive to many screeners than a 3.9 w/o those attributes. Kinda stupid, but that's life, I guess

[Anonymous User]

Well, future years of GULC should know that being well into the top 10% of your section is not fool-proof protection against OCI decimation, at least if you bid only on D.C.

To be fair, you should have known this already. DC being a "home market" for GULC is like NYC being a "home market" for NYU -- there's no real home court advantage when you're up against HYS folks just as intent as you to work there, whether you're in the top 10% at GULC or not.

[HarryPutter]

Cleary DC Ding

[Anonymous User]

Don't want to be a dick but there are fifty something people in Georgetown's top 10%. Do we have any idea of how many people within the top 10% are struggling in DC? If only five are, this could be an issue of interviewing skills.

[Anonymous User]

Well, future years of GULC should know that being well into the top 10% of your section is not fool-proof protection against OCI decimation, at least if you bid only on D.C.

To be fair, you should have known this already. DC being a "home market" for GULC is like NYC being a "home market" for NYU -- there's no real home court advantage when you're up against HYS folks just as intent as you to work there, whether you're in the top 10% at GULC or not.

Oh, I've got no problem with spots going to HYS -- just wondering why they're going to better-looking GULCers with less brain power

[Anonymous User]

For those of us with high grades (let's say non-transfer) who are having major problems in DC, how would you rate your interview/conversational skills? Personally I don't consider myself a bad interviewer, but also not a "home run" interviewer (especially on conversational skills). Theres probably some personal awkwardness and nervousness, but I've certainly had success with interviews pre-LS. Also I realize now that I didnt put in a 110% effort to stand out.

It may be that in dc, firms can choose just the tippy top, which is more so on the "home run interviewer" side than the "top 10%" side.

Could be . . . but when a school places upward of 50% in BigLaw, you would've thought that top 10% would have an easier time.

I just think that a 3.5 who is charming (in a 20 minute interview) and good-looking is more attractive to many screeners than a 3.9 w/o those attributes. Kinda stupid, but that's life, I guess

Eh, I mean is it really stupid? A 3.5 is still a respectable GPA. And as a summer/first-year associate, firms don't expect anyone, even the person with a 3.9, to know anything anyway. So why not choose to spend 80 hours per week with the personable & charming person who doesn't know anything over the boring person who doesn't know anything?

[Anonymous User]

Well, future years of GULC should know that being well into the top 10% of your section is not fool-proof protection against OCI decimation, at least if you bid only on D.C.

To be fair, you should have known this already. DC being a "home market" for GULC is like NYC being a "home market" for NYU -- there's no real home court advantage when you're up against HYS folks just as intent as you to work there, whether you're in the top 10% at GULC or not.

Oh, I've got no problem with spots going to HYS -- just wondering why they're going to better-looking GULCers with less brain power

This entitled attitude probably comes across in interviews and is probably why you're having a tough time getting callbacks, lol.

[Anonymous User]

Well, future years of GULC should know that being well into the top 10% of your section is not fool-proof protection against OCI decimation, at least if you bid only on D.C.

To be fair, you should have known this already. DC being a "home market" for GULC is like NYC being a "home market" for NYU -- there's no real home court advantage when you're up against HYS folks just as intent as you to work there, whether you're in the top 10% at GULC or not.

just wondering why they're going to better-looking GULCers with less brain power

It's more so conversational skills than good looks, but it's because of business development and client relations.

[Anonymous User]

Well, future years of GULC should know that being well into the top 10% of your section is not fool-proof protection against OCI decimation, at least if you bid only on D.C.

To be fair, you should have known this already. DC being a "home market" for GULC is like NYC being a "home market" for NYU -- there's no real home court advantage when you're up against HYS folks just as intent as you to work there, whether you're in the top 10% at GULC or not.

Oh, I've got no problem with spots going to HYS -- just wondering why they're going to better-looking GULCers with less brain power

honestly rofld at “good looking GULCers”

[notinbiglaw]

It’s because the interviewer knows he/she will (quite possibly) spend more time with you than with his/her family.

It’s not even a conscious bias. I just think it is a lot easier to imagine spending 40 hours a week with a decent looking (doesn’t have to be good looking at all, anyone can look decent with some care) person who can hold a conversation.

[Anonymous User]

For those of us with high grades (let's say non-transfer) who are having major problems in DC, how would you rate your interview/conversational skills? Personally I don't consider myself a bad interviewer, but also not a "home run" interviewer (especially on conversational skills). Theres probably some personal awkwardness and nervousness, but I've certainly had success with interviews pre-LS. Also I realize now that I didnt put in a 110% effort to stand out.

It may be that in dc, firms can choose just the tippy top, which is more so on the "home run interviewer" side than the "top 10%" side.

It’s also a sheer crapshoot based on the size of our class. Ignoring transfers, we have 58 kids with top 10% grades. At a given DC firm, perhaps 5-10 DC callbacks are given out, and maybe less at firms that already filled a portion of their class via preselect. There’s probably a contingent of students with top grades and solid interviewing skills that are snagging most of the CB’s, and many of the other top 10%-Er types are SOL.

[Anonymous User]

Well, future years of GULC should know that being well into the top 10% of your section is not fool-proof protection against OCI decimation, at least if you bid only on D.C.

To be fair, you should have known this already. DC being a "home market" for GULC is like NYC being a "home market" for NYU -- there's no real home court advantage when you're up against HYS folks just as intent as you to work there, whether you're in the top 10% at GULC or not.

Oh, I've got no problem with spots going to HYS -- just wondering why they're going to better-looking GULCers with less brain power

Well this thread has officially gone toxic. Here come the incels.

[Anonymous User]

6'5 athletic blonde male with perfect locks and played lax at Exeter. 2.9 GPA and no LR, but I already got offers from Cravath, Williams & Connolly, and Covington. The trick is to smell like a combination of Makers Mark and good cologne, just go into the screener and talk about your last ski vacation. Also if you don't wear Gucci loafers to OCI, why are you complaining about not getting callbacks?

[QContinuum]

Okay, I know this is a stressful time for all, but please: 1) Keep the personal insults out of it (i.e., no calling people names like "incels"), and 2) Keep the thread on-topic (i.e., no more parody posts like the one above). Don't force your fellow rising 2Ls to wade through all of that stuff when all people want is info on callbacks and offers.