New associate fuck up thread (and tips for slacking) Forum

[dixiecupdrinking]

Can't imagine any judge being too happy with someone moving to strike a brief on the argument that essentially it should have been made harder for the judge to read (no TOC/TOA).

[fats provolone]

Can't imagine any judge being too happy with someone moving to strike a brief on the argument that essentially it should have been made harder for the judge to read (no TOC/TOA).

well, movant got 2+ extra pages of argument that should have been spent on a TOC/TOA. that's extremely prejudicial and probably unconstitutional.

i have to say, not requiring TOC/TOA and then making TOC/TOA count toward page limits sounds like pretty bad policy on the court's part.

[dixiecupdrinking]

Can't imagine any judge being too happy with someone moving to strike a brief on the argument that essentially it should have been made harder for the judge to read (no TOC/TOA).

well, movant got 2+ extra pages of argument that should have been spent on a TOC/TOA. that's extremely prejudicial and probably unconstitutional.

i have to say, not requiring TOC/TOA and then making TOC/TOA count toward page limits sounds like pretty bad policy on the court's part.

Right, I guess my point was if those are the rules then sure, I'll just go ahead and not put the tables in if you're gonna be a stickler about it, but it hardly seems to be in anyone's interest.

[seespotrun]

TOAs are useless. Can we as a profession decide to dump them altogether? Should be chapter one in the Restatement of Who Still Gives a Shit about That Stuff We Used To Do

[JusticeJackson]

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[baal hadad]

I've gotten burned before on thankfully small stuff by not paying attention to local rules

ive learned my lesson and am now obessive with checking that shit for literally any action I have to take

[El Pollito]

i sure do not miss litigation ^

[lacrossebrother]

I've gotten burned before on thankfully small stuff by not paying attention to local rules

ive learned my lesson and am now obessive with checking that shit for literally any action I have to take

ya getting called out for a mistake was shitty at the time, but i'd say a net positive in that i'm less likely to fuck up when it counts, and also it's easier to bill more. triple-checking authorities is a good use of time. it's also scary to find conflicting authority on the third proofread.

[lacrossebrother]

Can't imagine any judge being too happy with someone moving to strike a brief on the argument that essentially it should have been made harder for the judge to read (no TOC/TOA).

well, movant got 2+ extra pages of argument that should have been spent on a TOC/TOA. that's extremely prejudicial and probably unconstitutional.

i have to say, not requiring TOC/TOA and then making TOC/TOA count toward page limits sounds like pretty bad policy on the court's part.

Right, I guess my point was if those are the rules then sure, I'll just go ahead and not put the tables in if you're gonna be a stickler about it, but it hardly seems to be in anyone's interest.

what district? also, do you not have local counsel?

[dixiecupdrinking]

Can't imagine any judge being too happy with someone moving to strike a brief on the argument that essentially it should have been made harder for the judge to read (no TOC/TOA).

well, movant got 2+ extra pages of argument that should have been spent on a TOC/TOA. that's extremely prejudicial and probably unconstitutional.

i have to say, not requiring TOC/TOA and then making TOC/TOA count toward page limits sounds like pretty bad policy on the court's part.

Right, I guess my point was if those are the rules then sure, I'll just go ahead and not put the tables in if you're gonna be a stickler about it, but it hardly seems to be in anyone's interest.

what district? also, do you not have local counsel?

Not my situation, I'm just talking hypothetically.

[lacrossebrother]

i know sorry idkw i quoted you. i was just wondering what the hell anon's local counsel does except forward correspondence and inform about page limits

[SemperLegal]

Today's mantra, I've gotten paid less to be treated worse.

[Anonymous User]

Hours are steadily ramping up and new sources of work keep coming. How do I stop it?

[Pleasye]

Hours are steadily ramping up and new sources of work keep coming. How do I stop it?

Start saying no.

[JusticeJackson]

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[Anonymous User]

Rough few days, but I'm feeling good this morning. I can do this, and even if I can't no-one can prove that until at least my third year and half a million dollars.

[ZyzzBrah]

Sent off a short memo to a partner, realized there was a word missing in a sentence. Proceeded to not sleep for the entire night. How do I care less haha?

[baal hadad]

Sent off a short memo to a partner, realized there was a word missing in a sentence. Proceeded to not sleep for the entire night. How do I care less haha?

Send docs as a link in your doc management system. Ie don't send the actual word file or pdf

Check to see if he's read it; he probably hasn't

Fix the work in the actual doc in the same version, which won't affect the link

No ones whe wiser

[ZyzzBrah]

Send docs as a link in your doc management system. Ie don't send the actual word file or pdf

Check to see if he's read it; he probably hasn't

Fix the work in the actual doc in the same version, which won't affect the link

No ones whe wiser

realized I should have done this last night, doesn't help on the email I already sent tho, just not sure how bad a typo is viewed, but I guess it depends on partner

[Anonymous User]

Can't imagine any judge being too happy with someone moving to strike a brief on the argument that essentially it should have been made harder for the judge to read (no TOC/TOA).

well, movant got 2+ extra pages of argument that should have been spent on a TOC/TOA. that's extremely prejudicial and probably unconstitutional.

i have to say, not requiring TOC/TOA and then making TOC/TOA count toward page limits sounds like pretty bad policy on the court's part.

Right, I guess my point was if those are the rules then sure, I'll just go ahead and not put the tables in if you're gonna be a stickler about it, but it hardly seems to be in anyone's interest.

what district? also, do you not have local counsel?

Anon who fucked up the page limit

our "local counsel" is one of my colleagues here who is barred in that district, although she is a senior associate who is recently admitted and this is her first time practicing there as well.

[El Pollito]

Hours are steadily ramping up and new sources of work keep coming. How do I stop it?

Start saying no.

no means yes

or, in my case, that someone will insert themselves and ask everyone else i'm working for if their matters are time sensitive and nobody really wants that

[Cardbross]

Today's mantra, I've gotten paid less to be treated worse.

QFT. I need to get this sentence framed for my desk.

[What the f.supp?]

Something I've done, when the work seems to be endlessly piling on, is talk to your work friends preemptively and ask about future assistance. Say you're getting swamped and ask whether it would be alright if, when the next project comes in, you broach their name as someone who can assist. This way, you can tell the partner that you're too busy to assist at the moment, but you also have a solution so that he/she is not getting flat out turned down. Of course, don't be a dick and refer a client alert or pro bono matter to your friend pursuant to the arrangement.

With respect to the convo above about just sending the document link, I've witnessed firsthand how that could be a dangerous play. I did that a few years ago, for the reason mentioned above (so I could give it a fresh read first thing in the morning) and it turns out the partner accessed it in the interim on the plane, had internet issues or something, and everything got messed up and partially deleted. Took IT several hours the next day to track down a backup copy on the system, and we were delayed in getting the draft to the client. So, what I do now, send the link and a copy of the doc, and if you notice a typo in the morning, just email the partner an updated copy and say you had some additional ideas that you wanted to include. Be sure to wordsmith/edit a couple other parts of the brief/memo too (in addition to the typo) in case the partner runs a blackline. Plus, many people like to read docs on their iPad while in other meetings or whatever. When sending just the link they can't easily do that.

[los blancos]

Yeah I've been asked for a copy of the actual doc enough times that I send both the link & copy.

[SemperLegal]

Yeah I've been asked for a copy of the actual doc enough times that I send both the link & copy.

Same. I try to keep notes on who likes which, but I just gave up.