Heard Back for 1L SA Position Forum

emkay625 · Post by **emkay625** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:37 am

Anonymous User wrote:
emkay625 wrote:Texas folks - anyone heard back from F&J?
At least one F&J offer went out last week.

Thank you. This was my suspicion.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:23 pm

emkay625 wrote:Texas folks - anyone heard back from F&J?

I received an offer (not at UT if thats what you meant from Texas folks. I am from TX though)

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:26 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Any Dechert CBs? Also, some Jones Day post CB rejections are out.

Do rejections typically go out before offers? I haven't heard anything but was told they were hoping to make decisions by the end of last week.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:53 pm

is ropes and gray not hiring any 1Ls this year? has anyone heard back from them?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:12 pm

has anyone heard from Bradley Arant- Any office, but particularly Birmingham or Charlotte?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:50 pm

Accepted with BB Dallas

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:has anyone heard from Bradley Arant- Any office, but particularly Birmingham or Charlotte?

Just had a screener for their Birmingham office at our winter OCI. They said they still had a couple of schools to go to, but that I would hear back in 2-3 weeks.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:56 am

Anyone else think TCR for 1L CB's in major markets (such as NYC) is that firms want to get a feel for the talent pool for 2L OCI? - Have heard multiple anecdotes of successful 1L interviews turn into dings w/ offers to skip the on-screen process and come back for a CB in August.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:58 am

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone else think TCR for 1L CB's in major markets (such as NYC) is that firms want to get a feel for the talent pool for 2L OCI? - Have heard multiple anecdotes of successful 1L interviews turn into dings w/ offers to skip the on-screen process and come back for a CB in August.

This is my situation with the one major firm that rejected me so far. It's good for them too, but I'm all for it.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:03 am

Yea - it actually benefits both the firm and candidate in the end I suppose. I guess it just makes you L O L when you thought you actually had a shot at the job at the CB.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:50 am

yeah I can see this, but they could do it in other ways (e.g. invite out potentially qualified candidates for lunch w/o calling it a CB)

on another note, anyone got updates for socal market? Just had another screener last week for an LA V25, and no response yet from them

KidStuddi · Post by **KidStuddi** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:01 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anyone else think TCR for 1L CB's in major markets (such as NYC) is that firms want to get a feel for the talent pool for 2L OCI? - Have heard multiple anecdotes of successful 1L interviews turn into dings w/ offers to skip the on-screen process and come back for a CB in August.
This is my situation with the one major firm that rejected me so far. It's good for them too, but I'm all for it.

Lol, no. Sorry guys, but BigLaw isn't the NBA. No one is doing early scouting to put together an OCI Draft Board ranking prospective candidates. The "talent pool," as you describe it, contains no discernable relevant talent and does not change from year to year. Forced curves pretty much ensure that employers couldn't tell even if the talent pool did change yearly. You're hired based on perceived potential (determined by grades) and personality. The reason you got rejected is because you weren't exceptional enough in one, the other, or both of those categories to justify taking the risk of hiring you before seeing your full 1L performance and potentially losing you to wherever you summer your 2L year. Most candidates aren't. You don't need to try and invent other justifications for it.

What you're seeing now with "successful interviews" leading to rejections is just the reality of legal hiring. Firms are selective, especially with 1Ls, and it's compounded by the fact that people generally have no idea how well they interview in relation to other candidates. Even during 2L OCI, getting a callback, at most firms, translates to a 1/4-1/2 chance of getting an offer.

Firms encouraging rejected candidates to "keep us in mind next time around," or saying "we'd love to maybe hire you, just not right now. We'll keep you on file" is pretty much standard operating procedure when delivering bad news. You'll read some variation on the theme dozens of times this fall too. It's a pretty safe bet that a firm that extends the August callback to one rejected candidate, extended the same to every rejected candidate, regardless of how the CB actually went.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:55 pm

Foley, Reinhart, and G&K Milwaukee dings.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:49 am

Anonymous User wrote:Foley, Reinhart, and G&K Milwaukee dings.

G&K recently posted on my school's career board. In general terms can you tell me your school's range and your ranking? I am trying to gauge my chances.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:12 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Foley, Reinhart, and G&K Milwaukee dings.
G&K recently posted on my school's career board. In general terms can you tell me your school's range and your ranking? I am trying to gauge my chances.

MVPB top 15-20%

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:05 pm

Anyone hear from Cleary?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:55 am

F&J rejection via snail mail. Must've been interview, grades are stellar. Top %5 (likely 1% but we don't rank).

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:16 pm

Any West Virginia movement?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:10 pm

Has anyone heard from Wiley Rein (DC)?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:46 pm

updates for southern folk: burr forman and bradley arant interviews, dings at dechert, bingham, troutman sanders, Vandeventer black.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:57 pm

Anonymous User wrote:updates for southern folk: burr forman and bradley arant interviews, dings at dechert, bingham, troutman sanders, Vandeventer black.

Are those from oci screeners or just regular apps?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:updates for southern folk: burr forman and bradley arant interviews, dings at dechert, bingham, troutman sanders, Vandeventer black.
Are those from oci screeners or just regular apps?

regular apps.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:01 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:updates for southern folk: burr forman and bradley arant interviews, dings at dechert, bingham, troutman sanders, Vandeventer black.
Are those from oci screeners or just regular apps?
regular apps.

Post transcript request at Dechert or before?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:04 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:updates for southern folk: burr forman and bradley arant interviews, dings at dechert, bingham, troutman sanders, Vandeventer black.
Are those from oci screeners or just regular apps?
regular apps.
Post transcript request at Dechert or before?

before. Also, all dings were by snail mail, which I feel like a lot of the southern firms do.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:41 pm

Any movement from Cravath?

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