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[Anonymous User]

it's not real.

[Anonymous User]

It's not real. I'm literally crying at this point. I can't take this.

[Anonymous User]

With 70+ firms announcing raises thus far, can some sweetheart of an Anon create a new list for all of the AmLaw100 firms that have yet to announce?

[Anonymous User]

It's not real. I'm literally crying at this point. I can't take this.

I'm sure you're doing just fine, WilmerHale market associate. Might be time for people to back up and put things into perspective.

[Anonymous User]

It's not real. I'm literally crying at this point. I can't take this.

I'm sure you're doing just fine, WilmerHale market associate. Might be time for people to back up and put things into perspective.

It's not really about the money. Sure, the extra cash would be amazing, but we're already paid a lot. It's more the realization of the firm's lack of respect for its associates. The firm could pay raises and bonuses without a second thought. Basically a drop in the bucket out of profits. But, man, it stings that they completely don't give a shit.

[Anonymous User]

I’m at WH’s Dayton OH office. Any word on whether discovery attorneys will be receiving any raises and/or bonuses?

i heard new coffee machine in the break room

[Anonymous User]

I’m at WH’s Dayton OH office. Any word on whether discovery attorneys will be receiving any raises and/or bonuses?

i heard new coffee machine in the break room

Really? Nice!

[Anonymous User]

It's not real. I'm literally crying at this point. I can't take this.

I'm sure you're doing just fine, WilmerHale market associate. Might be time for people to back up and put things into perspective.

It's not really about the money. Sure, the extra cash would be amazing, but we're already paid a lot. It's more the realization of the firm's lack of respect for its associates. The firm could pay raises and bonuses without a second thought. Basically a drop in the bucket out of profits. But, man, it stings that they completely don't give a shit.

latham and gibson raised only literally last friday. WH is coming man...probably.

[Anonymous User]

It's not real. I'm literally crying at this point. I can't take this.

I'm sure you're doing just fine, WilmerHale market associate. Might be time for people to back up and put things into perspective.

It's not really about the money. Sure, the extra cash would be amazing, but we're already paid a lot. It's more the realization of the firm's lack of respect for its associates. The firm could pay raises and bonuses without a second thought. Basically a drop in the bucket out of profits. But, man, it stings that they completely don't give a shit.

latham and gibson raised only literally last friday. WH is coming man...probably.

When raises and bonuses are going effective July 1, WH has run out of time. I would be annoyed if WH waited until today to match, but it would be soooooo much better than the current situation. I've spent the last couple weeks telling / trying to convince myself that the match will surely come before July 1 and that WH is just maybe being a little slow for whatever reason, no biggie. At this point, I have to assume that the new world we're living in is one where WH associates make less than DC/NYC associates of fucking Norton Rose, even though WH has well over double the PEP.

[Anonymous User]

How has Wilmer not raised yet? It competes directly against Ropes and Goodwin in Boston. Additionally, Kirkland and Proskauer and other satellites that have already raised have summer classes in Boston.

Is Wilmer just going to take leftovers?

[Anonymous User]

How has Wilmer not raised yet? It competes directly against Ropes and Goodwin in Boston. Additionally, Kirkland and Proskauer and other satellites that have already raised have summer classes in Boston.

Is Wilmer just going to take leftovers?

fact check: absolutely no one will remember or care in 6 months whether WH raised on june 15th or july 15th.

WH will match and it will happen before OCI.

People at less profitable law firms who appear to be a permanent underclass are the ones who should be bitching. Both for the money and the reduction in quality of future incoming associates. Welcome everyone with no place better to be!

[Anonymous User]

It's not real. I'm literally crying at this point. I can't take this.

I'm sure you're doing just fine, WilmerHale market associate. Might be time for people to back up and put things into perspective.

It's not really about the money. Sure, the extra cash would be amazing, but we're already paid a lot. It's more the realization of the firm's lack of respect for its associates. The firm could pay raises and bonuses without a second thought. Basically a drop in the bucket out of profits. But, man, it stings that they completely don't give a shit.

Also probably means a bunch of people will lateral to market paying firms, which will mean even more work for those left behind.

Also, can A&P and W&C get a little hate?

[Anonymous User]

How has Wilmer not raised yet? It competes directly against Ropes and Goodwin in Boston. Additionally, Kirkland and Proskauer and other satellites that have already raised have summer classes in Boston.

Is Wilmer just going to take leftovers?

fact check: absolutely no one will remember or care in 6 months whether WH raised on june 15th or july 15th.

WH will match and it will happen before OCI.

People at less profitable law firms who appear to be a permanent underclass are the ones who should be bitching. Both for the money and the reduction in quality of future incoming associates. Welcome everyone with no place better to be!

False. We all remember CovingTTTon from 2016, and WH is taking that place this time around. It's hard to build trust back and tensions are high here.

[Anonymous User]

I interviewed at Wilmer and one of my call back interviews was with a big time partner. Guy asked me about two questions before taking a phone call for the rest of the interview. Didn't even acknowledge I was there. Hung up and just said "well, time to take you to the next person." Just a big smug asshole.

Didn't get an offer.

Good to know it wasn't personal. WH partners just don't give a shit.

[Anonymous User]

How has Wilmer not raised yet? It competes directly against Ropes and Goodwin in Boston. Additionally, Kirkland and Proskauer and other satellites that have already raised have summer classes in Boston.

Is Wilmer just going to take leftovers?

fact check: absolutely no one will remember or care in 6 months whether WH raised on june 15th or july 15th.

WH will match and it will happen before OCI.

People at less profitable law firms who appear to be a permanent underclass are the ones who should be bitching. Both for the money and the reduction in quality of future incoming associates. Welcome everyone with no place better to be!

I can guaran-fucking-tee you that people—at the very least, WH associates—will remember that while everybody else’s raises had gone effective, WH management was virtually the only top firm to not even give their associates the courtesy of an announcement. June 15 vs. June 30? Sure, a lot of people might not remember that, but now there are real, economic implications to associates for WH partners not giving a shit about their associates, the firm having serious liquidity issues, or whatever the problem is (I’d love to know, but it’s not like partners have been anything close to transparent).

[Anonymous User]

How has Wilmer not raised yet? It competes directly against Ropes and Goodwin in Boston. Additionally, Kirkland and Proskauer and other satellites that have already raised have summer classes in Boston.

Is Wilmer just going to take leftovers?

fact check: absolutely no one will remember or care in 6 months whether WH raised on june 15th or july 15th.

WH will match and it will happen before OCI.

People at less profitable law firms who appear to be a permanent underclass are the ones who should be bitching. Both for the money and the reduction in quality of future incoming associates. Welcome everyone with no place better to be!

I can guaran-fucking-tee you that people—at the very least, WH associates—will remember that while everybody else’s raises had gone effective, WH management was virtually the only top firm to not even give their associates the courtesy of an announcement. June 15 vs. June 30? Sure, a lot of people might not remember that, but now there are real, economic implications to associates for WH partners not giving a shit about their associates, the firm having serious liquidity issues, or whatever the problem is (I’d love to know, but it’s not like partners have been anything close to transparent).

I am sure the eventual raise will be effective July 1.

[Anonymous User]

How has Wilmer not raised yet? It competes directly against Ropes and Goodwin in Boston. Additionally, Kirkland and Proskauer and other satellites that have already raised have summer classes in Boston.

Is Wilmer just going to take leftovers?

fact check: absolutely no one will remember or care in 6 months whether WH raised on june 15th or july 15th.

WH will match and it will happen before OCI.

People at less profitable law firms who appear to be a permanent underclass are the ones who should be bitching. Both for the money and the reduction in quality of future incoming associates. Welcome everyone with no place better to be!

I can guaran-fucking-tee you that people—at the very least, WH associates—will remember that while everybody else’s raises had gone effective, WH management was virtually the only top firm to not even give their associates the courtesy of an announcement. June 15 vs. June 30? Sure, a lot of people might not remember that, but now there are real, economic implications to associates for WH partners not giving a shit about their associates, the firm having serious liquidity issues, or whatever the problem is (I’d love to know, but it’s not like partners have been anything close to transparent).

I am sure the eventual raise will be effective July 1.

A lot of people were sure that WH would have matched by now.

[Anonymous User]

How has Wilmer not raised yet? It competes directly against Ropes and Goodwin in Boston. Additionally, Kirkland and Proskauer and other satellites that have already raised have summer classes in Boston.

Is Wilmer just going to take leftovers?

fact check: absolutely no one will remember or care in 6 months whether WH raised on june 15th or july 15th.

WH will match and it will happen before OCI.

People at less profitable law firms who appear to be a permanent underclass are the ones who should be bitching. Both for the money and the reduction in quality of future incoming associates. Welcome everyone with no place better to be!

False. We all remember CovingTTTon from 2016, and WH is taking that place this time around. It's hard to build trust back and tensions are high here.

The DC market is shameful on compensation. Between CovingTTton in 2016 and WilmerFAIL in 2018, DC has proven itself eminently unreliable

[Anonymous User]

A&P associate here. Associates are not happy. PPP aside, we feel undervalued. Some planning to speak with recruiters next week

[Anonymous User]

It's not real. I'm literally crying at this point. I can't take this.

I'm sure you're doing just fine, WilmerHale market associate. Might be time for people to back up and put things into perspective.

It's not really about the money. Sure, the extra cash would be amazing, but we're already paid a lot. It's more the realization of the firm's lack of respect for its associates. The firm could pay raises and bonuses without a second thought. Basically a drop in the bucket out of profits. But, man, it stings that they completely don't give a shit.

Also probably means a bunch of people will lateral to market paying firms, which will mean even more work for those left behind.

Also, can A&P and W&C get a little hate?

Williams & Connolly have been below market pay with their NOBONUS policy since forever, and expectations of A&P aren't high. I mean, they should match, considering firms like NRF, DLA Piper, Dentons, and Baker McKenzie have matched, but they don't have WilmerHale prestige.

Or, the prestige WilmerHale used to have.

[Anonymous User]

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/06/another ... e-bigtime/

A Houston Boutique (Ahmad Zavitsanos or AZA) matched and yet the majority of vault 100 New York firms haven’t lollll. Embarrassing for all of these second-tier firms.

AZA has always been at the top of the market in TX.

[Anonymous User]

How has Wilmer not raised yet? It competes directly against Ropes and Goodwin in Boston. Additionally, Kirkland and Proskauer and other satellites that have already raised have summer classes in Boston.

Is Wilmer just going to take leftovers?

fact check: absolutely no one will remember or care in 6 months whether WH raised on june 15th or july 15th.

WH will match and it will happen before OCI.

People at less profitable law firms who appear to be a permanent underclass are the ones who should be bitching. Both for the money and the reduction in quality of future incoming associates. Welcome everyone with no place better to be!

I can guaran-fucking-tee you that people—at the very least, WH associates—will remember that while everybody else’s raises had gone effective, WH management was virtually the only top firm to not even give their associates the courtesy of an announcement. June 15 vs. June 30? Sure, a lot of people might not remember that, but now there are real, economic implications to associates for WH partners not giving a shit about their associates, the firm having serious liquidity issues, or whatever the problem is (I’d love to know, but it’s not like partners have been anything close to transparent).

I am sure the eventual raise will be effective July 1.

A lot of people were sure that WH would have matched by now.

WH associate here. This is entirely correct. Folks will remember. Sure, we probably won't lose a penny all things told and I am still confident we will match, but the universal consensus here is that the firm has beyond clueless. DC has clearly moved. Boston moved weeks ago. Literally dozens of peer litigation shops in NY have matched. Fucking Hogan Denver has gotten raises. Anyone who works at WH could have (and likely did) get offers at these other firms. The absolute silence from the top given Wilmer's relative prestige rankings and profitability is not going to be forgotten by associates soon.

[Anonymous User]

How has Wilmer not raised yet? It competes directly against Ropes and Goodwin in Boston. Additionally, Kirkland and Proskauer and other satellites that have already raised have summer classes in Boston.

Is Wilmer just going to take leftovers?

fact check: absolutely no one will remember or care in 6 months whether WH raised on june 15th or july 15th.

WH will match and it will happen before OCI.

People at less profitable law firms who appear to be a permanent underclass are the ones who should be bitching. Both for the money and the reduction in quality of future incoming associates. Welcome everyone with no place better to be!

False. We all remember CovingTTTon from 2016, and WH is taking that place this time around. It's hard to build trust back and tensions are high here.

There's a difference between being a meme and having an actual impact on recruiting and laterals. There has been zero impact on the late movers/Covington for that, and if Wilmer moves next week and backdates it to July 1, I assure you that there won't be any actual impact on that either.

[Anonymous User]

How has Wilmer not raised yet? It competes directly against Ropes and Goodwin in Boston. Additionally, Kirkland and Proskauer and other satellites that have already raised have summer classes in Boston.

Is Wilmer just going to take leftovers?

fact check: absolutely no one will remember or care in 6 months whether WH raised on june 15th or july 15th.

WH will match and it will happen before OCI.

People at less profitable law firms who appear to be a permanent underclass are the ones who should be bitching. Both for the money and the reduction in quality of future incoming associates. Welcome everyone with no place better to be!

False. We all remember CovingTTTon from 2016, and WH is taking that place this time around. It's hard to build trust back and tensions are high here.

There's a difference between being a meme and having an actual impact on recruiting and laterals. There has been zero impact on the late movers/Covington for that, and if Wilmer moves next week and backdates it to July 1, I assure you that there won't be any actual impact on that either.

I honestly can’t recommend to people that they come here anymore. I have lost all faith in the partners / firm management. If you have offers elsewhere at comparable firms, go there. I wish I had.

[5ky]

How has Wilmer not raised yet? It competes directly against Ropes and Goodwin in Boston. Additionally, Kirkland and Proskauer and other satellites that have already raised have summer classes in Boston.

Is Wilmer just going to take leftovers?

fact check: absolutely no one will remember or care in 6 months whether WH raised on june 15th or july 15th.

WH will match and it will happen before OCI.

People at less profitable law firms who appear to be a permanent underclass are the ones who should be bitching. Both for the money and the reduction in quality of future incoming associates. Welcome everyone with no place better to be!

I can guaran-fucking-tee you that people—at the very least, WH associates—will remember that while everybody else’s raises had gone effective, WH management was virtually the only top firm to not even give their associates the courtesy of an announcement. June 15 vs. June 30? Sure, a lot of people might not remember that, but now there are real, economic implications to associates for WH partners not giving a shit about their associates, the firm having serious liquidity issues, or whatever the problem is (I’d love to know, but it’s not like partners have been anything close to transparent).

I am sure the eventual raise will be effective July 1.

A lot of people were sure that WH would have matched by now.

WH associate here. This is entirely correct. Folks will remember. Sure, we probably won't lose a penny all things told and I am still confident we will match, but the universal consensus here is that the firm has beyond clueless. DC has clearly moved. Boston moved weeks ago. Literally dozens of peer litigation shops in NY have matched. Fucking Hogan Denver has gotten raises. Anyone who works at WH could have (and likely did) get offers at these other firms. The absolute silence from the top given Wilmer's relative prestige rankings and profitability is not going to be forgotten by associates soon.

Hogan Denver didn't get any raises. It seems like a big deal now but it'll just be something to gripe about later on, nothing beyond that. If you really want to go through the annoying process of trying to lateral as a result, go for it, I guess.

Wilmer does good work and is well thought of by students in recruiting. There won't be any impact there.