Fall 2015 OCI Results Forum

[jbagelboy]

Just posting what I wish I had known before making my bidlist, and what my friends said they wished they had known. It wasn't meant at all to influence school decisions.

The lack of self-awareness of some people (especially for someone with demonstrated academic ability) truly boggles my mind.

in fairness, the entire pretence of this thread is that information from successful OCI candidates would be valuable for future reference. it's more that the whole scheme is dumb/lacks self-awareness than that one individual student with a strong academic record and performance is a particularly eggregious offendor

[pancakes3]

Just posting what I wish I had known before making my bidlist, and what my friends said they wished they had known. It wasn't meant at all to influence school decisions.

You're the reason people hate law students

Like he cares about your approval. Who are you compared to the DPW hiring partner?

[RaceJudicata]

Just posting what I wish I had known before making my bidlist, and what my friends said they wished they had known. It wasn't meant at all to influence school decisions.

The lack of self-awareness of some people (especially for someone with demonstrated academic ability) truly boggles my mind.

in fairness, the entire pretence of this thread is that information from successful OCI candidates would be valuable for future reference. it's more that the whole scheme is dumb/lacks self-awareness than that one individual student with a strong academic record and performance is a particularly eggregious offendor

Fair point. If anything, the timing - a solid 1.5-2 months post-hiring - is just strange. I don't even know why i still look in this thread..haha signing off.

[Anonymous User]

School Range: T2
Market(s): Chicago, Midwest, NY
Approximate class rank: Top 10%
Law review: No, secondary journal
Work experience: KJD
IP background: None
Anything else that might have an impact? No
Screening Interviews: 16 OCI; 2 Mass Mail
Callbacks received: 7 OCI, 1 Mass Mail
Callbacks accepted: 8
Offers w/vault ranges: 3 (1 Midsized, 2 V100)
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback?: 3? Not sure. Many more from mass mail obviously. Lost track.
Thank-you notes sent: Almost always, although stopped at very end.

Ended up happy with my choices, but the callback-offer ratio seemed off, especially when my screener --> callback ratio was so high.

[Anonymous User]

As a SLS student, I don't get the shitting on the SLS poster.

OCS here absolutely DOES NOT make it clear how difficult SF is and does not do a good job of making sure marginal candidates bid at least some NY firms (because it is absolutely true that there's a comparative lack of SLS students at NY firms and that people who bid NY here did extremely well). From what I've heard from friends, OCS basically makes NY sound like it's just as competitive as SF, LA, and DC, which simply isn't true (and they don't talk about how SF is infinitely more competitive than any other major market).

SF is brutal, and I know numerous people who struck out in SF. I personally came close: I'm top 5-10%, a pretty good interviewer, not KJD, had decent (though not great) ties to SF, and basically only bid SF. Out of 4 SF callbacks, I only got 1 offer (I had 3 other callbacks scheduled, but canceled them after I got an offer from my top choice, and I think at best I would've gotten an offer from 1 of the 3 remaining). I wasn't set on doing biglaw, so I personally wasn't super concerned about the risk of striking out, but I would advise anyone at SLS (no matter how good their grades/interviewing skills/WE are) to bid at least some NY/DC firms (I also noticed that people here did surprisingly well at DC firms this year, even people with terrible grades, contrary to conventional wisdom about DC).

[052220152]

As a SLS student, I don't get the shitting on the SLS poster.

OCS here absolutely DOES NOT make it clear how difficult SF is and does not do a good job of making sure marginal candidates bid at least some NY firms (because it is absolutely true that there's a comparative lack of SLS students at NY firms and that people who bid NY here did extremely well). From what I've heard from friends, OCS basically makes NY sound like it's just as competitive as SF, LA, and DC, which simply isn't true (and they don't talk about how SF is infinitely more competitive than any other major market).

SF is brutal, and I know numerous people who struck out in SF. I personally came close: I'm top 5-10%, a pretty good interviewer, not KJD, had decent (though not great) ties to SF, and basically only bid SF. Out of 4 SF callbacks, I only got 1 offer (I had 3 other callbacks scheduled, but canceled them after I got an offer from my top choice, and I think at best I would've gotten an offer from 1 of the 3 remaining). I wasn't set on doing biglaw, so I personally wasn't super concerned about the risk of striking out, but I would advise anyone at SLS (no matter how good their grades/interviewing skills/WE are) to bid at least some NY/DC firms (I also noticed that people here did surprisingly well at DC firms this year, even people with terrible grades, contrary to conventional wisdom about DC).

you sound terrible. why are you anon anyway

[A. Nony Mouse]

There is plenty of personal info in that post, enough to justify posting anon. Chill.

[jbagelboy]

As a SLS student, I don't get the shitting on the SLS poster.

OCS here absolutely DOES NOT make it clear how difficult SF is and does not do a good job of making sure marginal candidates bid at least some NY firms (because it is absolutely true that there's a comparative lack of SLS students at NY firms and that people who bid NY here did extremely well). From what I've heard from friends, OCS basically makes NY sound like it's just as competitive as SF, LA, and DC, which simply isn't true (and they don't talk about how SF is infinitely more competitive than any other major market).

SF is brutal, and I know numerous people who struck out in SF. I personally came close: I'm top 5-10%, a pretty good interviewer, not KJD, had decent (though not great) ties to SF, and basically only bid SF. Out of 4 SF callbacks, I only got 1 offer (I had 3 other callbacks scheduled, but canceled them after I got an offer from my top choice, and I think at best I would've gotten an offer from 1 of the 3 remaining). I wasn't set on doing biglaw, so I personally wasn't super concerned about the risk of striking out, but I would advise anyone at SLS (no matter how good their grades/interviewing skills/WE are) to bid at least some NY/DC firms (I also noticed that people here did surprisingly well at DC firms this year, even people with terrible grades, contrary to conventional wisdom about DC).

I feel like this advise is specific to SLS, and might be better served in a stanford ask a law student thread. Coming from an east coast peer SF isn't noticably more difficult than other challenging smaller markets like DC and Chicago. As a general matter, proximity to the market is a double edged sword; a more crowded field results in more competition, but there are still more grads in the market overall. The same advise goes for UChicago students wrt Chi market: NY is easier and top firms will reach deep into the class, don't underestimate how tough chicago market can be even though you attend the top school in the region.

[barkschool]

this thread is fucking stupid

More useful if we had a spreadsheet form that people could drop their info in

i would like to reiterate burt's point that this thread is fucking stupid, that its useless, that the people who post their results in it are fucking awful, and that a spreadsheet would be as equally fucking dumb

But where would we get the kind of magic that only this thread turns out?

I habitually make a motion with my hands in which I simulate the spinning and firing of revolvers. I do this periodically to punctuate something I say. I didn't think about stuff like that at all when I did all my interviews (I just figured, body language--whatever)

[Desert Fox]

[star fox]

As a SLS student, I don't get the shitting on the SLS poster.

OCS here absolutely DOES NOT make it clear how difficult SF is and does not do a good job of making sure marginal candidates bid at least some NY firms (because it is absolutely true that there's a comparative lack of SLS students at NY firms and that people who bid NY here did extremely well). From what I've heard from friends, OCS basically makes NY sound like it's just as competitive as SF, LA, and DC, which simply isn't true (and they don't talk about how SF is infinitely more competitive than any other major market).

SF is brutal, and I know numerous people who struck out in SF. I personally came close: I'm top 5-10%, a pretty good interviewer, not KJD, had decent (though not great) ties to SF, and basically only bid SF. Out of 4 SF callbacks, I only got 1 offer (I had 3 other callbacks scheduled, but canceled them after I got an offer from my top choice, and I think at best I would've gotten an offer from 1 of the 3 remaining). I wasn't set on doing biglaw, so I personally wasn't super concerned about the risk of striking out, but I would advise anyone at SLS (no matter how good their grades/interviewing skills/WE are) to bid at least some NY/DC firms (I also noticed that people here did surprisingly well at DC firms this year, even people with terrible grades, contrary to conventional wisdom about DC).

I feel like this advise is specific to SLS, and might be better served in a stanford ask a law student thread. Coming from an east coast peer SF isn't noticably more difficult than other challenging smaller markets like DC and Chicago. As a general matter, proximity to the market is a double edged sword; a more crowded field results in more competition, but there are still more grads in the market overall. The same advise goes for UChicago students wrt Chi market: NY is easier and top firms will reach deep into the class, don't underestimate how tough chicago market can be even though you attend the top school in the region.

Of non NY markets Chicago is about as good as it gets to target.