Jones Day Forum

[homestyle28]

What is the firm's policy on transferring offices? I'll be going to one of the offices with a larger class size this summer, but I would like to end up in one of the smaller offices if I could transfer.

It's not uncommon, but I think case by case determination.

[Rotor]

What is the firm's policy on transferring offices? I'll be going to one of the offices with a larger class size this summer, but I would like to end up in one of the smaller offices if I could transfer.

It's not uncommon, but I think case by case determination.

+1

You should be able to articulate why you want to be in the other office. Also, the other office will have to approve the transfer.

[Anonymous User]

What is the firm's policy on transferring offices? I'll be going to one of the offices with a larger class size this summer, but I would like to end up in one of the smaller offices if I could transfer.

It's not uncommon, but I think case by case determination.

+1

You should be able to articulate why you want to be in the other office. Also, the other office will have to approve the transfer.

Thanks! Further question: the way I see it, my options for transferring are

1. finish the summer, accept the offer at that office, start as a 1L and ask sometime after
2. finish the summer, accept the offer, do either 3L mass mail or apply to other firms in the target market after clerkship, if I get one, and bring it up when I have another offer
3. finish the summer, ask about switching offices before I accept my offer

3 would be a bad strategy, right? I'm worried about them reneging my offer if they don't think I'm committed to that office.

[Rotor]

What is the firm's policy on transferring offices? I'll be going to one of the offices with a larger class size this summer, but I would like to end up in one of the smaller offices if I could transfer.

It's not uncommon, but I think case by case determination.

+1

You should be able to articulate why you want to be in the other office. Also, the other office will have to approve the transfer.

Thanks! Further question: the way I see it, my options for transferring are

1. finish the summer, accept the offer at that office, start as a 1L and ask sometime after
2. finish the summer, accept the offer, do either 3L mass mail or apply to other firms in the target market after clerkship, if I get one, and bring it up when I have another offer
3. finish the summer, ask about switching offices before I accept my offer

3 would be a bad strategy, right? I'm worried about them reneging my offer if they don't think I'm committed to that office.

Two people who summered with me took option 3. Another one had parental health issues come up and transferred as a second year (modified option 1). I know a current NLG who the firm has already agreed to transfer down the road but the office just couldn't take a new lawyer/junior associate for a few years.

You don't need leverage from option 2. In fact the firm could take it the wrong way. Commitment is a big thing with Jones Day. Saying "I will go elsewhere if you don't give me what I want" could well be met with "Thanks. Good luck to you over there."

[Anonymous User]

It's not uncommon, but I think case by case determination.

+1

You should be able to articulate why you want to be in the other office. Also, the other office will have to approve the transfer.

Thanks! Further question: the way I see it, my options for transferring are

1. finish the summer, accept the offer at that office, start as a 1L and ask sometime after
2. finish the summer, accept the offer, do either 3L mass mail or apply to other firms in the target market after clerkship, if I get one, and bring it up when I have another offer
3. finish the summer, ask about switching offices before I accept my offer

3 would be a bad strategy, right? I'm worried about them reneging my offer if they don't think I'm committed to that office.

Two people who summered with me took option 3. Another one had parental health issues come up and transferred as a second year (modified option 1). I know a current NLG who the firm has already agreed to transfer down the road but the office just couldn't take a new lawyer/junior associate for a few years.

You don't need leverage from option 2. In fact the firm could take it the wrong way. Commitment is a big thing with Jones Day. Saying "I will go elsewhere if you don't give me what I want" could well be met with "Thanks. Good luck to you over there."

Ah that makes sense. I wouldn't mind staying at this office for a few years until I could transfer. Thanks for the insight!

And I wasn't speaking of using the other offers as leverage. More of insurance if they so "no, you can't transfer, and don't bother coming back."

[homestyle28]

Another option is to check with the recruitment team at the office you'll be summering in. I know a woman from my law school who summered in Chicago, but told them even before the summer started that because her fiancé was going to NYC she'd rather be there. They had her do her SA in Chicago but gave her an offer to go to NYC. Some of it had to do with the size of the offices involved, but I think if you approach it appropriately you could mention it sooner. I'm 99% sure it wouldn't impact your offer chances.

[Anonymous User]

Another option is to check with the recruitment team at the office you'll be summering in. I know a woman from my law school who summered in Chicago, but told them even before the summer started that because her fiancé was going to NYC she'd rather be there. They had her do her SA in Chicago but gave her an offer to go to NYC. Some of it had to do with the size of the offices involved, but I think if you approach it appropriately you could mention it sooner. I'm 99% sure it wouldn't impact your offer chances.

Someone in my SA class last year split the summer between two offices. I think JD is flexible regarding that type of thing, assuming you have a compelling reason. I would bring it up sooner rather than later. Although, I don't know if this person brought it up before or after receiving the SA offer.

[Anonymous User]

Can anyone, particularly someone at the DC office, comment on the level of faux pas having a neatly trimmed beard as an SA would be?

[Anonymous User]

Can anyone, particularly someone at the DC office, comment on the level of faux pas having a neatly trimmed beard as an SA would be?

we have several attorneys with neatly trimmed beards. As long as it is neatly trimmed it will be fine. Work product and fit will be much more important.

[unlicensedpotato]

Work product and fit will be much more important.

Than facial hair?!?

[Anonymous User]

Someone in my SA class last summer had a neatly trimmed beard. We all got offers

Has any incoming JD 1st year received their start date yet?

[homestyle28]

Someone in my SA class last summer had a neatly trimmed beard. We all got offers

Has any incoming JD 1st year received their start date yet?

There's a little variation in the smaller offices, but all the bigger ones start around 3rd week of October.

[Anonymous User]

Beard guy here. Thanks for the information. I'm going to keep it and hope for the best. I look like a child with no facial hair.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

To any JD associates: have salary increases kept in check w/ the DPW bonuses?

[Anonymous User]

Does JD let 3Ls work the summer before they start?

[homestyle28]

Does JD let 3Ls work the summer before they start?

Not in the major offices. Don't work the summer before you start, travel, relax, have fun.

Plenty of time to work later.

[Anonymous User]

Does JD let 3Ls work the summer before they start?

Generally no, but you can always ask because there have been exceptions. The exceptions involve very niche experience that the Firm needed on particular matters so they showed up a few weeks before the official start date.

But if you're looking just to start as a regular New Lawyers Group associate I think the firm will want to start on time.

Edit to add: the examples I know of were from a major office. But I agree 100% with Homestyle's bottom line advice-- use the summer to prep for the bar and to decompress after taking it. You will appreciate that time off after the test, I promise. You'll get a stipend to cover some of your expenses if you're worried about the money.

[Anonymous User]

Sorry to bump, but interested if anyone has insight into offer rate now that the summer is over

[Anonymous User]

Which office?

And if you get an offer just as the recruiter. They'll tell you.

[Anonymous User]

mostly interested in NYC/DC but also firmwide

[Anonymous User]

I was at the DC office. 2 people are still there, so all offers haven't gone out yet. Haven't heard one way or the other whether anyone was no-offered.

[Anonymous User]

Chicago office is at 100%

[Anonymous User]

Remember: the Firm policy is to offer everyone who successfully completes the summer. While there are occasionally no offers,it is always due to fact specific performance issues and not a systemic no-offer rate. It is effectively 100% with the caveat of YMMV (for poor performance).

[Anonymous User]

Just got an offer and legitimately considering it. Enjoyed my time and think I'll fit with the quasi-unique methods the firm uses