Milbank/Davis Polk/Cravath Scale: NYC to 215-415k Forum

[Anonymous User]

This hardcore anti-Harvard thing is a weird schtick, honestly. Troll on though, dude.

HLS signature denial activated.

[Anonymous User]

Pour one out for the sad, sad HLS grads who are at firms that haven't raised yet.

[Anonymous User]

LOL why do we even need legacy status to Harvard College? HLS has more prestige than all the other Harvard schools combined. You see Harvard undergrads regret not going to HLS. How often do you see HLS students regret not going to Harvard undergrad? We go on and become CEOs, entrepreneurs, senators, supreme courts justices, and presidents. Every corner of the world has been and continues to be shaped by HLS students. Students from other law schools (or schools in general) work for the political/business empires HLS students build and own.

this made me lol

[Anonymous User]

LOL why do we even need legacy status to Harvard College? HLS has more prestige than all the other Harvard schools combined. You see Harvard undergrads regret not going to HLS. How often do you see HLS students regret not going to Harvard undergrad? We go on and become CEOs, entrepreneurs, senators, supreme courts justices, and presidents. Every corner of the world has been and continues to be shaped by HLS students. Students from other law schools (or schools in general) work for the political/business empires HLS students build and own.

this made me lol

Like the 400 that quit biglaw every year and go back to living off Mom and dads connections. What would the world do without HLS?

[Anonymous User]

Not that this bizarre immature pissing contest matters, I got a full merit ride to CCN (and have done quite well there) with the "shoe-in" stats listed above but got WL at HLS (and SLS). Go figure.

I'm the senior associate at a V20 that posted on this topic some days ago. When I was applying to law schools several years ago, my LSAT score was 174 and my GPA was 3.93. I got a half-ride offer from Columbia and was waitlisted at both Harvard and Stanford. Then I sent a letter of continued interest just to Harvard and got an offer shortly after that. I didn't bother to send anything to Stanford. I ended up going to Harvard and years later here I am. Many of my classmates had offers from both H and S and chose H. Stanford never seemed more selective than Harvard at least when I was applying. Things may have changed since then. I don't know. With all due respect to Stanford, I just don't get the hype S gets in this forum relative to H. I even know someone from SLS (with whom I did the same 1L internship) that struck out in OCI and couldn't get into biglaw right out of law school. That's a rare case I know, but a data point nonetheless.

[Anonymous User]

Lol @ the notion that HLS would consider cutting down class size to compete with ysc. Law school is a major cash cow for universities, and they don't even bother giving merit scholarships. I'm sure they're crying all the way to the bank over their post prestige.

Plus it's not like they aren't doing right by their students (like eg GULC and arguably Fordham). HLS kids at the median are getting biglaw, gasp, not clerkships. And the bottom of the class is too. And they still have enough clerks and judges and SCOTUS to parade around their successes. So why should they care about a magazine or a handful of ppl on the internet?

I think HLS itself always knows it is the backdoor to Harvard (or the pariah of Harvard). They never even bothered to appear super-selective and exclusive like the other Harvard schools, or even to compete with YLS. It had always been very content sitting at 3, churning out 600 Harvard-stamped diplomas while counting money. It's the students that somehow got the wrong idea to think that they are part of the Harvard lineage and the best law school...

Good luck convincing Harvard admissions that your kids are legacy because you went to HLS, and see if they see you as an alum when they don't need money out of your pocket.

This crazy obsession with undergrad prestige is quite strange. Did you attend Harvard for undergrad and didn't get into a top law school? As someone that went to HLS, I confirm there were some classmates that went to Harvard for undergrad but struggled in law school. I even know one person that struck out despite having gone to Harvard for undergrad. In this legal industry, where you went for undergrad doesn't impress me unless you went to a top law school or did well in law school, and likewise where you went for law school doesn't impress me if you struck out or ended up being quite a mediocre lawyer.

I can't care less about legacy and Harvard lineage when I have other things to worry about. lol at other Harvard schools being more selective. The Kennedy School is far from selective. Generally though, you just sound so bitter about HLS. Let it go.

[Anonymous User]

Lol @ the notion that HLS would consider cutting down class size to compete with ysc. Law school is a major cash cow for universities, and they don't even bother giving merit scholarships. I'm sure they're crying all the way to the bank over their post prestige.

Plus it's not like they aren't doing right by their students (like eg GULC and arguably Fordham). HLS kids at the median are getting biglaw, gasp, not clerkships. And the bottom of the class is too. And they still have enough clerks and judges and SCOTUS to parade around their successes. So why should they care about a magazine or a handful of ppl on the internet?

I think HLS itself always knows it is the backdoor to Harvard (or the pariah of Harvard). They never even bothered to appear super-selective and exclusive like the other Harvard schools, or even to compete with YLS. It had always been very content sitting at 3, churning out 600 Harvard-stamped diplomas while counting money. It's the students that somehow got the wrong idea to think that they are part of the Harvard lineage and the best law school...

Good luck convincing Harvard admissions that your kids are legacy because you went to HLS, and see if they see you as an alum when they don't need money out of your pocket.

This crazy obsession with undergrad prestige is quite strange. Did you attend Harvard for undergrad and didn't get into a top law school? As someone that went to HLS, I confirm there were some classmates that went to Harvard for undergrad but struggled in law school. I even know one person that struck out despite having gone to Harvard for undergrad. In this legal industry, where you went for undergrad doesn't impress me unless you went to a top law school or did well in law school, and likewise where you went for law school doesn't impress me if you struck out or ended up being quite a mediocre lawyer.

I can't care less about legacy and Harvard lineage when I have other things to worry about. lol at other Harvard schools being more selective. The Kennedy School is far from selective. Generally though, you just sound so bitter about HLS. Let it go.

HYP undergrad and one of YSC for law school. Never considered HLS a peer to either of the institutions.

[Anonymous User]

Pour one out for the sad, sad HLS grads who are at firms that haven't raised yet.

But they go on and shape every corner of the world

[Anonymous User]

Pour one out for the sad, sad HLS grads who are at firms that haven't raised yet.

But they go on and shape every corner of the world

What about the turtles under the world

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

I even know someone from SLS (with whom I did the same 1L internship) that struck out in OCI and couldn't get into biglaw right out of law school. That's a rare case I know, but a data point nonetheless.

Every school has its weirdos. One of the virtues of HLS is that by interviewing people they cull the ones that won't survive OCI up front. That said, as someone with good knowledge of SLS, straight-up striking out in OCI is extraordinarily rare barring dumb moves (All-Ps only bidding DC, for instance).

[Anonymous User]

Lol @ the notion that HLS would consider cutting down class size to compete with ysc. Law school is a major cash cow for universities, and they don't even bother giving merit scholarships. I'm sure they're crying all the way to the bank over their post prestige.

Plus it's not like they aren't doing right by their students (like eg GULC and arguably Fordham). HLS kids at the median are getting biglaw, gasp, not clerkships. And the bottom of the class is too. And they still have enough clerks and judges and SCOTUS to parade around their successes. So why should they care about a magazine or a handful of ppl on the internet?

I think HLS itself always knows it is the backdoor to Harvard (or the pariah of Harvard). They never even bothered to appear super-selective and exclusive like the other Harvard schools, or even to compete with YLS. It had always been very content sitting at 3, churning out 600 Harvard-stamped diplomas while counting money. It's the students that somehow got the wrong idea to think that they are part of the Harvard lineage and the best law school...

Good luck convincing Harvard admissions that your kids are legacy because you went to HLS, and see if they see you as an alum when they don't need money out of your pocket.

This crazy obsession with undergrad prestige is quite strange. Did you attend Harvard for undergrad and didn't get into a top law school? As someone that went to HLS, I confirm there were some classmates that went to Harvard for undergrad but struggled in law school. I even know one person that struck out despite having gone to Harvard for undergrad. In this legal industry, where you went for undergrad doesn't impress me unless you went to a top law school or did well in law school, and likewise where you went for law school doesn't impress me if you struck out or ended up being quite a mediocre lawyer.

I can't care less about legacy and Harvard lineage when I have other things to worry about. lol at other Harvard schools being more selective. The Kennedy School is far from selective. Generally though, you just sound so bitter about HLS. Let it go.

HYP undergrad and one of YSC for law school. Never considered HLS a peer to either of the institutions.

So Chicago for law school and your HYP undergrad degree got you to the same place as everyone in this thread so lol. Hopefully you play ten instruments or your parents are super rich. You seem unhappy and focused on undergrad.

[Anonymous User]

If that anon goes to Chicago, he should realize that half of the benefit of being a Chicagoan is the ability to act superior to those anti-intellectuals back east, not associate yourself with them by proudly proclaiming your HYP ug (blech, go to a real undergrad like St. John's).

[Anonymous User]

I can't really explain it but Princeton ug + Chicago is a type.

[Anonymous User]

You're either a troll (in which case, ok fine I guess it's funny), or just a profoundly insufferable person. I can't tell.

Not sure why; the poster you are responding to is 100% right, as anyone with personal experience knows.

[Anonymous User]

You're either a troll (in which case, ok fine I guess it's funny), or just a profoundly insufferable person. I can't tell.

Not sure why; the poster you are responding to is 100% right, as anyone with personal experience knows.

stop responding to yourself

[Anonymous User]

Not that this bizarre immature pissing contest matters, I got a full merit ride to CCN (and have done quite well there) with the "shoe-in" stats listed above but got WL at HLS (and SLS). Go figure.

I'm the senior associate at a V20 that posted on this topic some days ago. When I was applying to law schools several years ago, my LSAT score was 174 and my GPA was 3.93. I got a half-ride offer from Columbia and was waitlisted at both Harvard and Stanford. Then I sent a letter of continued interest just to Harvard and got an offer shortly after that. I didn't bother to send anything to Stanford. I ended up going to Harvard and years later here I am. Many of my classmates had offers from both H and S and chose H. Stanford never seemed more selective than Harvard at least when I was applying. Things may have changed since then. I don't know. With all due respect to Stanford, I just don't get the hype S gets in this forum relative to H. I even know someone from SLS (with whom I did the same 1L internship) that struck out in OCI and couldn't get into biglaw right out of law school. That's a rare case I know, but a data point nonetheless.

This post is truly sad if you are actually a senior associate. On the other hand, it's equally likely you're a 3L trolling this thread, in which case, you got me lol.

[Anonymous User]

I even know someone from SLS (with whom I did the same 1L internship) that struck out in OCI and couldn't get into biglaw right out of law school. That's a rare case I know, but a data point nonetheless.

Every school has its weirdos. One of the virtues of HLS is that by interviewing people they cull the ones that won't survive OCI up front. That said, as someone with good knowledge of SLS, straight-up striking out in OCI is extraordinarily rare barring dumb moves (All-Ps only bidding DC, for instance).

Being shut out from any big law (as compared to being shut out from a particular market) probably happens less than once per year on average at SLS. Not all students get a job at OCI, though.

[Anonymous User]

If that anon goes to Chicago, he should realize that half of the benefit of being a Chicagoan is the ability to act superior to those anti-intellectuals back east, not associate yourself with them by proudly proclaiming your HYP ug (blech, go to a real undergrad like St. John's).

uChicago is more pompous than any of HYP. The essential essence of Chicago, both the university and the city, is to be more insufferable than people on the East Coast while baselessly claiming to be "more down to earth"

[Anonymous User]

If that anon goes to Chicago, he should realize that half of the benefit of being a Chicagoan is the ability to act superior to those anti-intellectuals back east, not associate yourself with them by proudly proclaiming your HYP ug (blech, go to a real undergrad like St. John's).

uChicago is more pompous than any of HYP. The essential essence of Chicago, both the university and the city, is to be more insufferable than people on the East Coast while baselessly claiming to be "more down to earth"

This is just a weird comment. UofC has very little in common with the city. Chicago's hometown school is Northwestern.

[Anonymous User]

Not that this bizarre immature pissing contest matters, I got a full merit ride to CCN (and have done quite well there) with the "shoe-in" stats listed above but got WL at HLS (and SLS). Go figure.

I'm the senior associate at a V20 that posted on this topic some days ago. When I was applying to law schools several years ago, my LSAT score was 174 and my GPA was 3.93. I got a half-ride offer from Columbia and was waitlisted at both Harvard and Stanford. Then I sent a letter of continued interest just to Harvard and got an offer shortly after that. I didn't bother to send anything to Stanford. I ended up going to Harvard and years later here I am. Many of my classmates had offers from both H and S and chose H. Stanford never seemed more selective than Harvard at least when I was applying. Things may have changed since then. I don't know. With all due respect to Stanford, I just don't get the hype S gets in this forum relative to H. I even know someone from SLS (with whom I did the same 1L internship) that struck out in OCI and couldn't get into biglaw right out of law school. That's a rare case I know, but a data point nonetheless.

This post is truly sad if you are actually a senior associate. On the other hand, it's equally likely you're a 3L trolling this thread, in which case, you got me lol.

Sad because I posted that on my way back home after marking up a fucking asset purchase agreement until 4 am, not because I still remember everything from the time I was a student.

[Anonymous User]

The senior associate anon again. Comparing law firms to law schools was ridiculous enough. Enough with irrelevant comments. Just accept that regardless of US News rankings for one particular year, Harvard is Harvard and Chicago is Chicago. This is a legal employment forum, and with the obsession with even undergrad prestige it looks like there's quite a number of students posting here. If you are not a practicing attorney, don't post here.

[Anonymous User]

If that anon goes to Chicago, he should realize that half of the benefit of being a Chicagoan is the ability to act superior to those anti-intellectuals back east, not associate yourself with them by proudly proclaiming your HYP ug (blech, go to a real undergrad like St. John's).

uChicago is more pompous than any of HYP. The essential essence of Chicago, both the university and the city, is to be more insufferable than people on the East Coast while baselessly claiming to be "more down to earth"

This is just a weird comment. UofC has very little in common with the city. Chicago's hometown school is Northwestern.

yes, the school in Evanston has more to do with Chicago than the school in... Chicago. Blatant norTTThwesTTTern trolling -1/10

[Anonymous User]

If that anon goes to Chicago, he should realize that half of the benefit of being a Chicagoan is the ability to act superior to those anti-intellectuals back east, not associate yourself with them by proudly proclaiming your HYP ug (blech, go to a real undergrad like St. John's).

uChicago is more pompous than any of HYP. The essential essence of Chicago, both the university and the city, is to be more insufferable than people on the East Coast while baselessly claiming to be "more down to earth"

This is just a weird comment. UofC has very little in common with the city. Chicago's hometown school is Northwestern.

yes, the school in Evanston has more to do with Chicago than the school in... Chicago. Blatant norTTThwesTTTern trolling -1/10

...yes? Because sports. Nobody is fans of the Chicago Maroons (I had to google their team name). Also the vibe -- the personality associated with UofC is not the personality of the city.

[Anonymous User]

If that anon goes to Chicago, he should realize that half of the benefit of being a Chicagoan is the ability to act superior to those anti-intellectuals back east, not associate yourself with them by proudly proclaiming your HYP ug (blech, go to a real undergrad like St. John's).

uChicago is more pompous than any of HYP. The essential essence of Chicago, both the university and the city, is to be more insufferable than people on the East Coast while baselessly claiming to be "more down to earth"

This is just a weird comment. UofC has very little in common with the city. Chicago's hometown school is Northwestern.

yes, the school in Evanston has more to do with Chicago than the school in... Chicago. Blatant norTTThwesTTTern trolling -1/10

...yes? Because sports. Nobody is fans of the Chicago Maroons (I had to google their team name). Also the vibe -- the personality associated with UofC is not the personality of the city.

Which school has more Heisman winners? Checkmate.