2013 UVA OGI Thread Forum

[paulinaporizkova]

Is getting OTIP interviews predictive of getting OGI interviews. Scored 8 OTIP pre-selects. Can I just chill now?

Haha, no. not at allllll

[sundance95]

Is getting OTIP interviews predictive of getting OGI interviews. Scored 8 OTIP pre-selects. Can I just chill now?

You can chill when you're dead. Or have a fulltime job offer in hand after your SA. Whichever comes first.

[Anonymous User]

Last year, I had 10 OTIP preselects and 17 OGI preselects + the rest were alternates, and I only got 2 full time offers. Don't get complacent.

[envisciguy]

Preselects are up on Symplicity. Let the stressing begin.

[sundance95]

2Ls, TAKE A DEEP BREATH before you post. This is just the first round.

[Anonymous User]

2Ls, TAKE A DEEP BREATH before you post. This is just the first round.

This. Let the system work before you panic about how many interviews you have. Even if you have few interviews after the trickle down to alternates takes place, you can still get more interviews through the lottery and through special requests.

[cmdcmd]

I'm confused -- are preselects declined and alternates turned into preselects in real time between now and the acceptance deadline? Or is there another round of accepting and declining preselects after the Tuesday deadline?

[5ky]

I'm confused -- are preselects declined and alternates turned into preselects in real time between now and the acceptance deadline? Or is there another round of accepting and declining preselects after the Tuesday deadline?

KD does it manually -- literally so, he emails each person individually to tell them their new preselects and whether they want it or not -- over the course of like 48 hours in which he doesn't sleep. They don't turn in real time because the deadline to accept/decline isn't for a while

[Anonymous User]

Let's say FCJ applied to two offices of Cox Turner Aaron LLP and got preselected at his preferred location (can't say top choice because GM Donovan says it's too soon, but...yeah) and alternated at his secondary location. FCJ should absolutely accept the preselect, duh. Should he also decline the alternate, or would doing so somehow be stupid?

FCJ thinks it's clear that he should decline the secondary location alternate but also recognizes that there is a sizable gap between what he thinks he knows and what he does in fact know.

-FCJ

p.s. Thanks for the earlier advice.

[Anonymous User]

GPA = 3.45: Only bid NYC .........12 preselects; 4 from band 1; rest from bands 2 and 3. 10 alternates most from band 1 and some from band 2 so I'm assuming very few of those will open up. Got no clue how this squares up with everyone else. Is there any reasons not to accept alternates?

[sundance95]

GPA = 3.45: 12 preselects; 4 from band 1; rest from bands 2 and 3. 10 alternates most from band 1 and some from band 2 so I'm assuming very few of those will open up. Got no clue how this squares up with everyone else. Is there any reasons not to accept alternates?

what is this about bands? a new CSO thing? I hope its that and not Chambers that you are referring to

[Anonymous User]

GPA = 3.45: 12 preselects; 4 from band 1; rest from bands 2 and 3. 10 alternates most from band 1 and some from band 2 so I'm assuming very few of those will open up. Got no clue how this squares up with everyone else. Is there any reasons not to accept alternates?

what is this about bands? a new CSO thing? I hope its that and not Chambers that you are referring to

i was talking about firm gpa bands. 3.5+ band 1; 3.4-.5 band 2; below 3.4 band 3.
Bands are determined based on the average callback student gpa's I believe.

[Anonymous User]

GPA: 3.3x: 8 preselects and 10 alternates

[Anonymous User]

GPA: 3.3x: 8 preselects and 10 alternates

what city(ies)

[Anonymous User]

GPA = 3.45: 12 preselects; 4 from band 1; rest from bands 2 and 3. 10 alternates most from band 1 and some from band 2 so I'm assuming very few of those will open up. Got no clue how this squares up with everyone else. Is there any reasons not to accept alternates?

what is this about bands? a new CSO thing? I hope its that and not Chambers that you are referring to

i was talking about firm gpa bands. 3.5+ band 1; 3.4-.5 band 2; below 3.4 band 3.
Bands are determined based on the average callback student gpa's I believe.

Yeah, they had this last year too. Hopefully a few more firms will be placed in bands this year. Last year there were a lot of firms they didn't have enough information for.

[Anonymous User]

GPA = 3.45: Only bid NYC .........12 preselects; 4 from band 1; rest from bands 2 and 3. 10 alternates most from band 1 and some from band 2 so I'm assuming very few of those will open up. Got no clue how this squares up with everyone else. Is there any reasons not to accept alternates?

You may be surprised. A lot of the firms with the highest average GPAs for callbacks will be preselecting the same people. Inevitably some of those people will have to decline preselects.

[Anonymous User]

GPA low 3.3x
7 pre-selects, 13 alternates (14 of these are DC/NY)

What kind of shape am I in? Should I accept all my alternates?

[Anonymous User]

GPA: 3.3x: 8 preselects and 10 alternates

what city(ies)

LA/SD/Bay Area

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

GPA low 3.3x
7 pre-selects, 13 alternates (14 of these are DC/NY)

What kind of shape am I in? Should I accept all my alternates?

Generally I think it is a good idea to accept all your alternates, especially since you would still have slots for the lottery if you missed out on any of your top choices. I suppose there could be a situation where it makes sense to decline an alternate (one alternate is your 48th bid and you want to ensure that you have space for your #1 bid in the lottery or something like that), but I don't think this is it. However, I am happy to be corrected by others on this.

[ThreeYears]

Is getting OTIP interviews predictive of getting OGI interviews. Scored 8 OTIP pre-selects. Can I just chill now?

Haha, no. not at allllll

I miss you.

[Anonymous User]

Quick q - debating which preselects to pick, and which to throw back in the pile.

Goals: A JOB!!!!!

Some of my 40-50 preselected me. Also got most of my top ones. My q is 2 fold:

1.) If my top 8 preselected me, and 9 declined me - does 9 shoot up to my #1 for the lottery. If it does not, my #20 for instance is not worth throwing away interviews to keep.

2.) If a firm has 40 slots, and declined me but a firm with 20 preselected me, would this mean that interviewing with 2 firms, my odds of getting a callback are higher with the 20 one because they must've liked something where as the 40 slot one things I'm wicked uglay?

I just did a quick read of the 2013 OGI handbook section on preselects. IIRC it is basically the same as last year.

1) I don't think so. Your #9 bid only gains weight in comparison to other #9 bids; it doesn't gain more weight than a #8 bid, for instance.

2) Not necessarily. The firm with 20 interview slots could have a summer class of 3 people and the firm with 40 interview slots a summer class of 23 people. The firm with 40 interview slots is probably going to callback more people and make more offers since it has more spots to fill in that case, which makes it less competitive to get a callback. Another possibility is that the firm with 20 slots had far fewer people bid for an interview, and it actually just had a less competitive applicant pool from UVA or it just needed to fill out its interview schedule. I got the impression this happened with at least 2 firms I interviewed with on the West Coast. In your case, it is too difficult to tell without knowing which firms you are talking about and where they come from.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

So I'm prob around .1 below the LR cut off. My fear is I got most of the top firms in my markets, and did not get most of the other brackets. Therefore, I'm going to be up against the people who did grade on without any backups. Does it make sense to decline some of the higher firms to get firms where not everyone interviewing has better grades than me? Prestige is not a big factor on my list. I like $ and interesting work.

Which markets? Do you have enough preselects that you could decline highly selective firms and still have enough to cross the 23 threshold?

One thing to consider is that depending on the market, some of the more selective firms will hand out a lot of callbacks because they have huge classes. In other words, once you are in, the interview to callback ratio can be higher than for some less selective firms.

[olive16]

I'm confused -- are preselects declined and alternates turned into preselects in real time between now and the acceptance deadline? Or is there another round of accepting and declining preselects after the Tuesday deadline?

KD does it manually -- literally so, he emails each person individually to tell them their new preselects and whether they want it or not -- over the course of like 48 hours in which he doesn't sleep. They don't turn in real time because the deadline to accept/decline isn't for a while

KD is a machine. Wow.