Summer Classes 2015 Edition--Distributions in OP Forum

[Desert Fox]

Skadden Chi

UChi 10
HLS 7
NU 4
UMich 3
YLS 2
Iowa 2
Upenn 1
Loyola 1
Kent 1

Interesting that Kirkland/Sidley IIRC prefer NU, Skadden prefers UChicago.

previous years have been a lot closer to 1:1 and the rumblings are that yield wasn't as high as expected from NU, so I don't know that there is a real preference there. with that said, i'd be willing to bet they dip lower in the class at uchi though.

but on the other hand i think sidley is known for having a stronger uchi bias than most.

IIRC during my stay, Uchi always sent more to Skadden. Skadden would give out a of offers, but only to the top of the class. Who would go to KE/SA/MB instead. I'm not sure if Skadden just has a better reputation at Uchi or if they go lower in the class at UChi. The later may be true because Skadden (and the V5 in general) treat T6 schools very different than t14. While once you get pasted V5 there isn't a huge difference.

[Mal Reynolds]

From the people I know going there, it's a pretty good mix of grade ranges. They aren't tippy top of the class but all solid students.

Also they extend 1L SAs to a lot of URMs and convinced a few to stay on for 2L summer.

[Anonymous User]

From the people I know going there, it's a pretty good mix of grade ranges. They aren't tippy top of the class but all solid students.

Also they extend 1L SAs to a lot of URMs and convinced a few to stay on for 2L summer.

1 of the NU ppl is a diversity 1L SA too

ETA: 2 uchi are 1Ls and 1 HLS is a 1L as well

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

so Winston has a horrible offer rate?

Anon cause I am at W&S. Not trying to be a shill for the firm because what happened a few summers ago was terrible. But just to reassure any ppl summering at Winston that might see this, they almost certainly will get offers. The firm historically has been 100% offer and certainly since all the crap they got (deservedly so) for no offering 1/3 of the class back in 2012 they have been. Not defending anything else, just saying the summers shouldn't have to worry about getting an offer

"I know I cheated on my wife the third-most recent time I went out, but I didn't cheat on her the past two times I went out. Therefore, you can be confident I won't cheat on my wife the next time I go out."

[jbagelboy]

Skadden Chi

UChi 10
HLS 7
NU 4
UMich 3
YLS 2
Iowa 2
Upenn 1
Loyola 1
Kent 1

Interesting that Kirkland/Sidley IIRC prefer NU, Skadden prefers UChicago.

previous years have been a lot closer to 1:1 and the rumblings are that yield wasn't as high as expected from NU, so I don't know that there is a real preference there. with that said, i'd be willing to bet they dip lower in the class at uchi though.

but on the other hand i think sidley is known for having a stronger uchi bias than most.

IIRC during my stay, Uchi always sent more to Skadden. Skadden would give out a of offers, but only to the top of the class. Who would go to KE/SA/MB instead. I'm not sure if Skadden just has a better reputation at Uchi or if they go lower in the class at UChi. The later may be true because Skadden (and the V5 in general) treat T6 schools very different than t14. While once you get pasted V5 there isn't a huge difference.

I always thought Kirkland would be preferred over (and could be more selective than) Skadden in Chicago. Like how Gibson can afford to be and is more selective than Skadden in LA. Because no one GAF about vault outside new york.

[bjsesq]

so Winston has a horrible offer rate?

Anon cause I am at W&S. Not trying to be a shill for the firm because what happened a few summers ago was terrible. But just to reassure any ppl summering at Winston that might see this, they almost certainly will get offers. The firm historically has been 100% offer and certainly since all the crap they got (deservedly so) for no offering 1/3 of the class back in 2012 they have been. Not defending anything else, just saying the summers shouldn't have to worry about getting an offer

What sucks about them is knowing that you have absolutely no way to know if they are being honest with you as summers if the firm hits the skids again. I get laying people off. That's fucking business, man. I don't understand lying about it, time and time again until it was too late for many of us to do shit to save ourselves.

[Anonymous User]

I always thought Kirkland would be preferred over (and could be more selective than) Skadden in Chicago. Like how Gibson can afford to be and is more selective than Skadden in LA. Because no one GAF about vault outside new york.

Kirkland is generally preferred at NU but it also has a lower GPA cutoff than Skadden. Kind of a weird situation.

[Desert Fox]

Interesting that Kirkland/Sidley IIRC prefer NU, Skadden prefers UChicago.

previous years have been a lot closer to 1:1 and the rumblings are that yield wasn't as high as expected from NU, so I don't know that there is a real preference there. with that said, i'd be willing to bet they dip lower in the class at uchi though.

but on the other hand i think sidley is known for having a stronger uchi bias than most.

IIRC during my stay, Uchi always sent more to Skadden. Skadden would give out a of offers, but only to the top of the class. Who would go to KE/SA/MB instead. I'm not sure if Skadden just has a better reputation at Uchi or if they go lower in the class at UChi. The later may be true because Skadden (and the V5 in general) treat T6 schools very different than t14. While once you get pasted V5 there isn't a huge difference.

I always thought Kirkland would be preferred over (and could be more selective than) Skadden in Chicago. Like how Gibson can afford to be and is more selective than Skadden in LA. Because no one GAF about vault outside new york.

Student views change year to year, but I always regarded it as clearly second tier (or worse) for litigation, but first tier (though below K&E) for corp. Vault doesn't mean shit in chicago.

[Cobretti]

Student views change year to year, but I always regarded it as clearly second tier (or worse) for litigation, but first tier (though below K&E) for corp. Vault doesn't mean shit in chicago.

chicago has litigation??

[bjsesq]

Student views change year to year, but I always regarded it as clearly second tier (or worse) for litigation, but first tier (though below K&E) for corp. Vault doesn't mean shit in chicago.

chicago has litigation??

It has Dan Webb. That's about the beginning and end of litigation in Chi-town

[SLS_AMG]

Skadden Chi

UChi 10
HLS 7
NU 4
UMich 3
YLS 2
Iowa 2
Upenn 1
Loyola 1
Kent 1

Interesting that Kirkland/Sidley IIRC prefer NU, Skadden prefers UChicago.

previous years have been a lot closer to 1:1 and the rumblings are that yield wasn't as high as expected from NU, so I don't know that there is a real preference there. with that said, i'd be willing to bet they dip lower in the class at uchi though.

but on the other hand i think sidley is known for having a stronger uchi bias than most.

IIRC during my stay, Uchi always sent more to Skadden. Skadden would give out a of offers, but only to the top of the class. Who would go to KE/SA/MB instead. I'm not sure if Skadden just has a better reputation at Uchi or if they go lower in the class at UChi. The later may be true because Skadden (and the V5 in general) treat T6 schools very different than t14. While once you get pasted V5 there isn't a huge difference.

That may be true for the rest of the V5, but I don't think Skadden is very grade selective within any of the T14 schools. I'm not sure to what degree they're even less selective among the top 6 schools, but they're generally not grade selective from what I've seen. I think they also have a lower yield at most schools than their peer firms.

[skers]

NU and Uchi are pretty much 1:1 at Kirkland and Sidley.

[North]

This may be premature, because there isn't a school breakdown yet, but Willkie NYC has 68 SAs this summer. I'll post when we have the school breakdown.

Anybody have this yet?

[cookiejar1]

That may be true for the rest of the V5, but I don't think Skadden is very grade selective within any of the T14 schools. I'm not sure to what degree they're even less selective among the top 6 schools, but they're generally not grade selective from what I've seen. I think they also have a lower yield at most schools than their peer firms.

Skadden NYC, surprisingly, is pretty selective at NU given our callback gpa data. Probably explains why we have no one at Skadden NYC this year . . . seems like those who had Skadden NYC offers were also weighing S&C/DPW/CSM offers as well. If Skadden NYC wants more NU students they need to dig deeper into our class.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone have irell manella?? Curios as to how recent departures impacted them.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone have irell manella?? Curios as to how recent departures impacted them.

Based on the data we received it doesn’t look like anyone who got offers is going there from CLS this summer. I’m guessing those people had great grades and chose other top firms instead.

That may be true for the rest of the V5, but I don't think Skadden is very grade selective within any of the T14 schools. I'm not sure to what degree they're even less selective among the top 6 schools, but they're generally not grade selective from what I've seen. I think they also have a lower yield at most schools than their peer firms.

Skadden NYC, surprisingly, is pretty selective at NU given our callback gpa data. Probably explains why we have no one at Skadden NYC this year . . . seems like those who had Skadden NYC offers were also weighing S&C/DPW/CSM offers as well. If Skadden NYC wants more NU students they need to dig deeper into our class.

They take 15-20 from CLS every year and 85% of offers go to honor students at CLS, so I think they are fine with whatever they are doing.

[jbagelboy]

Anyone have irell manella?? Curios as to how recent departures impacted them.

Based on the data we received it doesn’t look like anyone who got offers is going there from CLS this summer. I’m guessing those people had great grades and chose other top firms instead.

That may be true for the rest of the V5, but I don't think Skadden is very grade selective within any of the T14 schools. I'm not sure to what degree they're even less selective among the top 6 schools, but they're generally not grade selective from what I've seen. I think they also have a lower yield at most schools than their peer firms.

Skadden NYC, surprisingly, is pretty selective at NU given our callback gpa data. Probably explains why we have no one at Skadden NYC this year . . . seems like those who had Skadden NYC offers were also weighing S&C/DPW/CSM offers as well. If Skadden NYC wants more NU students they need to dig deeper into our class.

They take 15-20 from CLS every year and 85% of offers go to honor students at CLS, so I think they are fine with whatever they are doing.

what do you mean by "take"? They get 15-20, they take many, many more (like 75+) as far as offers given.

[Mal Reynolds]

Anyone have irell manella?? Curios as to how recent departures impacted them.

I'm pretty sure decisions would have been made prior to the departures.

[Anonymous User]

what do you mean by "take"? They get 15-20, they take many, many more (like 75+) as far as offers given.

People who accept. I only have this year and last years numbers but they seem to give 36-38 offers so not sure where 75 comes from.

[Anonymous User]

what do you mean by "take"? They get 15-20, they take many, many more (like 75+) as far as offers given.

People who accept. I only have this year and last years numbers but they seem to give 36-38 offers so not sure where 75 comes from.

TLS has started snubbing Skadden in the last year or so, I don't get it.

[ymmv]

what do you mean by "take"? They get 15-20, they take many, many more (like 75+) as far as offers given.

People who accept. I only have this year and last years numbers but they seem to give 36-38 offers so not sure where 75 comes from.

TLS has started snubbing Skadden in the last year or so, I don't get it.

They've literally worked people to death and have a reputation, deserved or not, for being an even worse place to work than other biglaw firms.

[Desert Fox]

what do you mean by "take"? They get 15-20, they take many, many more (like 75+) as far as offers given.

People who accept. I only have this year and last years numbers but they seem to give 36-38 offers so not sure where 75 comes from.

TLS has started snubbing Skadden in the last year or so, I don't get it.

They've literally worked people to death and have a reputation, deserved or not, for being an even worse place to work than other biglaw firms.

Compared to its peers, I don't think it is warranted.

[ymmv]

People who accept. I only have this year and last years numbers but they seem to give 36-38 offers so not sure where 75 comes from.

TLS has started snubbing Skadden in the last year or so, I don't get it.

They've literally worked people to death and have a reputation, deserved or not, for being an even worse place to work than other biglaw firms.

Compared to its peers, I don't think it is warranted.

Maybe not, but when you're a law student making a decision between seemingly identical options, which firm are you going to go with: the one where people have probably died for their work, or the one where people have definitely died for their work?

[monsterman]

When Skadden visited my school in the fall, their brochure had in enormous lettering "Skadden is NOT A SWEATSHOP"

I'm not sure I can add anything to make that a more ridiculous recruiting tool.

[jbagelboy]

what do you mean by "take"? They get 15-20, they take many, many more (like 75+) as far as offers given.

People who accept. I only have this year and last years numbers but they seem to give 36-38 offers so not sure where 75 comes from.

my bad, it's probably more like 50 for the firm, 40-45 for NY.