Columbia EIP 2014 Forum

[Anonymous User]

While apparently this forum was made for folks at median and above, does anybody have some guidance for somebody near the very bottom of the class. Any blatant auto-dings or perhaps more importantly, firms that are less grade-conscious I'm missing? ALL NYC at the moment.

1. Baker McKenzie
2. Paul Hastings
3. Clifford Chance
4. Alston Bird
5. hogan lovells
6. Kaye Scholer
7. Katten Muchin
8. Linklaters
9. Hughes Hubbard
10. DLA Piper
11. Orrick
12. Willkie Farr
13. Dechert
14. Stroock Stroock
15. Greenberg Traurig
16. Kramer Levin
17. Kasowitz
18. Chadbourne Parke
19. Goodwin Procter
20. Morgan Lewis
21. Holland Knight
22. Seward Kissell
23. Bryan Cave
24. Foley Lardner
25. Hunton Williams
26. Akin Gump
27. Troutman Sanders
....

[Anonymous User]

While apparently this forum was made for folks at median and above, does anybody have some guidance for somebody near the very bottom of the class. Any blatant auto-dings or perhaps more importantly, firms that are less grade-conscious I'm missing? ALL NYC at the moment.

1. Baker McKenzie
2. Paul Hastings
3. Clifford Chance
4. Alston Bird
5. Hogan Lovells
6. Kaye Scholer
7. Katten Muchin
8. Linklaters
9. Hughes Hubbard
10. DLA Piper
11. Orrick
12. Willkie Farr
13. Dechert
14. Stroock Stroock
15. Greenberg Traurig
16. Kramer Levin
17. Kasowitz
18. Chadbourne Parke
19. Goodwin Procter
20. Morgan Lewis
21. Holland Knight
22. Seward Kissell
23. Bryan Cave
24. Foley Lardner
25. Hunton Williams
26. Akin Gump
27. Troutman Sanders
....

I don't think any of the firms here are blatantly out of your league, but what about Schulte or Milbank for some of the remaining spots? Schulte made a ton of offers to Columbia students last year, without a high Offers by Honors ratio. Both do some good work. Maybe King & Spalding or Fried Frank?

[Anonymous User]

While apparently this forum was made for folks at median and above, does anybody have some guidance for somebody near the very bottom of the class. Any blatant auto-dings or perhaps more importantly, firms that are less grade-conscious I'm missing? ALL NYC at the moment.

1. Baker McKenzie
2. Paul Hastings
3. Clifford Chance
4. Alston Bird
5. Hogan Lovells
6. Kaye Scholer
7. Katten Muchin
8. Linklaters
9. Hughes Hubbard
10. DLA Piper
11. Orrick
12. Willkie Farr
13. Dechert
14. Stroock Stroock
15. Greenberg Traurig
16. Kramer Levin
17. Kasowitz
18. Chadbourne Parke
19. Goodwin Procter
20. Morgan Lewis
21. Holland Knight
22. Seward Kissell
23. Bryan Cave
24. Foley Lardner
25. Hunton Williams
26. Akin Gump
27. Troutman Sanders
....

Your selection of firms looks good in general, but the ordering needs some work. The bid list should be based on getting the interviews, not how much you like them or your perceived chances. Orrick, Hughes Hubbard and dla piper do not need to be that high. Move them down to the 20s. Add Schulte and Milbank as suggested above in those spots. Move up Akin Gump quite a bit. Consider bumping up Wilkie just to be safe.

[Anonymous User]

While apparently this forum was made for folks at median and above, does anybody have some guidance for somebody near the very bottom of the class. Any blatant auto-dings or perhaps more importantly, firms that are less grade-conscious I'm missing? ALL NYC at the moment.

1. Baker McKenzie
2. Paul Hastings
3. Clifford Chance
4. Alston Bird
5. Hogan Lovells
6. Kaye Scholer
7. Katten Muchin
8. Linklaters
9. Hughes Hubbard
10. DLA Piper
11. Orrick
12. Willkie Farr
13. Dechert
14. Stroock Stroock
15. Greenberg Traurig
16. Kramer Levin
17. Kasowitz
18. Chadbourne Parke
19. Goodwin Procter
20. Morgan Lewis
21. Holland Knight
22. Seward Kissell
23. Bryan Cave
24. Foley Lardner
25. Hunton Williams
26. Akin Gump
27. Troutman Sanders
....

As another student with a very low GPA, I'm going to endorse the general sentiment of it being bizarre that there are more Kents than below-median people (who, as a reminder, are half the class) in this thread. Worth keeping in mind amongst the posts of whether someone can get Cravath or whether they'll have to settle for Skadden, that some people are just trying to get an offer from anywhere that will have them. Not sour grapes, and not trying to keep you from doing your thing--after all, you have serious choices to make while we're more or less locked in to choosing the 30 least grade-conscious firms. Just a friendly reminder to keep the whole picture in mind, seeing as you are such a self-selected group of high achievers.

As to your list, Anon: Without a doubt you need to add Schulte and Cadwalader, and you might consider White & Case, Sidley, Fried Frank, or Cahill, but otherwise looks pretty good.

--Amory Blaine

[Anonymous User]

And on that note, here's my first draft. GPA in the 3.1 neighborhood, with no WE and no productive ties. Looking to pick up a handful of the traditionally underbid firms post-lottery. Tried to tie it to the Honors report as best I could, but of course an indication that a firm is amenable to taking student below Stone isn't necessarily useful in determining how amenable they are to taking someone WAY below Stone. If anyone can shed some insight on that, it would be much appreciated. All offices NY:

1. Baker & McKenzie
2. Shearman & Sterling
3. Mayer Brown
4. Paul Hastings
5. hogan lovells
6. Kaye Scholer
7. White & Case
8. Clifford Chance
9. Alston & Bird
10. Schulte Roth
11. Katten Muchin
12. Hughes Hubbard
13. Cahill Gordon
14. Greenberg Traurig
15. Chadbourne & Parke
16. Cadwalader
17. Kramer Levin
18. Orrick
19. K&L Gates
20. Pillsbury Winthrop
21. Dentons
22. Dechert
23. Stroock & Stroock
24. Curtis Mallet
25. Seward & Kissel
26. Hunton & Williams
27. Duval & Stachenfeld
28. Schiff Hardin
29. Sutherland
30. Axinn Veltrop

--Amory Blaine

[Anonymous User]

And on that note, here's my first draft. GPA in the 3.1 neighborhood, with no WE and no productive ties. Looking to pick up a handful of the traditionally underbid firms post-lottery. Tried to tie it to the Honors report as best I could, but of course an indication that a firm is amenable to taking student below Stone isn't necessarily useful in determining how amenable they are to taking someone WAY below Stone. If anyone can shed some insight on that, it would be much appreciated. All offices NY:

1. Baker & McKenzie
2. Shearman & Sterling
3. Mayer Brown
4. Paul Hastings
5. Hogan Lovells
6. Kaye Scholer
7. White & Case
8. Clifford Chance
9. Alston & Bird
10. Schulte Roth
11. Katten Muchin
12. Hughes Hubbard
13. Cahill Gordon
14. Greenberg Traurig
15. Chadbourne & Parke
16. Cadwalader
17. Kramer Levin
18. Orrick
19. K&L Gates
20. Pillsbury Winthrop
21. Dentons
22. Dechert
23. Stroock & Stroock
24. Curtis Mallet
25. Seward & Kissel
26. Hunton & Williams
27. Duval & Stachenfeld
28. Schiff Hardin
29. Sutherland
30. Axinn Veltrop

--Amory Blaine

Looks like a solid list. How about adding some firms with larger classes? Fried Frank. Milbank. Hughes Hubbard. Willkie.

[Anonymous User]

I was looking at offer by honors and I have a question. Most of the firms that are sub-67% only gave a handful of offers. How can you have any real certainty of choosing a place if only 3-4 offers are going out for 75% of the firms?

[Anonymous User]

I was looking at offer by honors and I have a question. Most of the firms that are sub-67% only gave a handful of offers. How can you have any real certainty of choosing a place if only 3-4 offers are going out for 75% of the firms?

I think there is no correct answer to that question (apart from your own preference and interests) and that's what makes it hard. Also why it's important to have non-selective firms with bigger classes.

[Anonymous User]

And on that note, here's my first draft. GPA in the 3.1 neighborhood, with no WE and no productive ties. Looking to pick up a handful of the traditionally underbid firms post-lottery. Tried to tie it to the Honors report as best I could, but of course an indication that a firm is amenable to taking student below Stone isn't necessarily useful in determining how amenable they are to taking someone WAY below Stone. If anyone can shed some insight on that, it would be much appreciated. All offices NY:

1. Baker & McKenzie
2. Shearman & Sterling
3. Mayer Brown
4. Paul Hastings
5. Hogan Lovells
6. Kaye Scholer
7. White & Case
8. Clifford Chance
9. Alston & Bird
10. Schulte Roth
11. Katten Muchin
12. Hughes Hubbard
13. Cahill Gordon
14. Greenberg Traurig
15. Chadbourne & Parke
16. Cadwalader
17. Kramer Levin
18. Orrick
19. K&L Gates
20. Pillsbury Winthrop
21. Dentons
22. Dechert
23. Stroock & Stroock
24. Curtis Mallet
25. Seward & Kissel
26. Hunton & Williams
27. Duval & Stachenfeld
28. Schiff Hardin
29. Sutherland
30. Axinn Veltrop

--Amory Blaine

Looks like a solid list. How about adding some firms with larger classes? Fried Frank. Milbank. Hughes Hubbard. Willkie.

Hughes Hubbard is on there. Have been considering the other three (and/or maybe Sidley) considering they have a reputation for liking CLS. Hard to tell whether it's better to target a large-class firm with median-ish targets or a firm that without a doubts goes below median but might only make two or three offers to CLS students, which is why I wish OCS would just tell me where the hell people with my GPA ended up.

--Amory Blaine

[Anonymous User]

I was looking at offer by honors and I have a question. Most of the firms that are sub-67% only gave a handful of offers. How can you have any real certainty of choosing a place if only 3-4 offers are going out for 75% of the firms?

Agree with what was said above--you can't. The sample size is too small. If you saw that Kirkland only gave 30% honors last year, you might think they frequently went below median. In reality, they very rarely do, and the other years' data spell that out better than Internet scuttlebutt can. With the smaller ones, you just have to guess. It helps to look at the website--you've got more data to work with if you know the firm regularly takes TTT grads, or they've never taken anyone that wasn't T14 with honors.

--Amory Blaine

[Tiago Splitter]

I have the 2012 Stone% numbers for most of the NYC V100 if anyone wants them. If there's an easy way to post this so everyone can see it I'd be happy to do so.

[Anonymous User]

Hi all, long-time lurker with a first draft bid list, which I'm sure needs lots of work. I really want the Bay Area (and have some ties), but I'm definitely concerned about ending up with nothing at all if I don't bid any New York, so I'm kind of awkwardly trying to find a balance between cities and among reach/target/safety firms. Would probably prefer corporate.

~3.6 GPA, 2 years uninspiring WE, ivy undergrad (FWIW).

Bolded firms are those that I think might be out of reach - any thoughts on that much appreciated! Hoping to pick up some other underbid SF/SV firms during add/drop as well.

1 Proskauer Rose (NY)
2 Kirkland & Ellis (NY)
3 Morrison & Foerster (SF)
4 Sidley Austin (NY)
5 Cooley (SV)
6 Skadden (NY)
7 Debevoise (NY)
8 Weil (NY)
9 Milbank (NY)
10 Sullivan & Cromwell (NY)
11 Morgan Lewis (SF)
12 Perkins Cole (SF)
13 Sheppard Mullin (NY)
14 Ropes & Gray
15 Cahill Gordon (NY)
16 Akin Gump (NY)
17 Cleary (NY)
18 Cadwalader (NY)
19 O'Melveny (NY)
20 Cravath (NY)
21 Latham & Watkins (SV)
22 Pillsbury Winthrop (SV)
23 Shearman & Sterling (SV)
24 Wilson Sonsini (SV)
25 Davis Polk (SV)
26 Gibson Dunn (SF)
27 Kirkland & Ellis (SF)
28 Wachtell (NY)
29 Paul Hastings (SF)
30 Simpson Thacher (SV)

-meechum

[Anonymous User]

Is there a cap on how many interviews we can do (or should reasonably do) in a day? Looking at my bid list, 9 firms are scheduled for the 8th and 8 for the 7th.

[Anonymous User]

Thoughts on my list below? At high Stone, work experience, will likely go into EIP with an offer from a firm. Also won't be too heartbroken if I don't work big law next summer. I doubt I will use all of my bids. All New York. Bolded are my top choices. Not too fussed about Corporate vs. Litigation, but likely leaning towards litigation.

1. baker and mckenzie
2. Shearman and Sterling
3. Sidley Austin
4. Gibson Dunn
5. Skadden
6. Debevoise
7. WilmerHale
8. Weil Gotshal
9. Sullivan & Cromwell
10. Davis Polk
11. Simpson Thacher
12. Cleary Gottlieb
13. Paul Weiss
14. Akin Gump
15. Cadwalader
16. Covington
17. Cravath
18. Wachtell

Much appreciated.

-Tek Jansen

[Anonymous User]

I know both aren't 100% stone/kent - both just close - but does a GPA around a 3.5 have a realistic shot at Covington NY or SulCrom NY?

[Tiago Splitter]

I know both aren't 100% stone/kent - both just close - but does a GPA around a 3.5 have a realistic shot at Covington NY or SulCrom NY?

Covington NY yes, SullCrom much less so.

[Anonymous User]

I know both aren't 100% stone/kent - both just close - but does a GPA around a 3.5 have a realistic shot at Covington NY or SulCrom NY?

Covington NY yes, SullCrom much less so.

I think someone already asked this, but does anyone have a rough idea of what the SullCrom GPA cutoff is?

[Anonymous User]

Columbia,

Yes, I am an NYU student so feel free to ignore this if you wish, but I would greatly appreciate it if any of you would be willing to critique my bidlist. It seems that Columbia provides its students with more data re: grade cutoffs/which firms you actually have a shot with.

I have a very unfortunate 2.98 and bidlists are due by 6:00pm today.

Are some of these firms clearly out of my league? Any reordering? Any other firms I should consider? Thanks Morningside Heights!

Harsh criticism is very welcome.

BID City Firm Name Slots
1 NY DLA Piper 9
2 NY Baker McKenzie 20
3 NY Bingham McCutcheon 39
4 NY Paul Hastings 58
5 NY Alston Bird 20
6 NY Linklaters 39
7 NY hogan lovells 58
8 NY Mayer Brown 51
9 NY Kaye Scholer 58
10 NY Clifford Chance 77
11 NY Holland Knight 20
12 NY Kasowitz 20
13 NY Duane Morris 20
14 NY Hughes Hubbard 58
15 NY Reed Smith 20
16 NY Katten Muchin 39
17 NY Greenburg Traurig 39
18 NY Goodwin Procter 39
19 NY King Spalding 39
20 NY Chadbourne Parke 77
21 NY Kramer Levin 39
22 NY Winston Strawn 39
23 NY Pillsbury Winthrop 58
24 NY K&L Gates 77
25 NY Willkie Farr 134
26 NY Schulte Roth 115
27 NY Hunton Williams 20
28 NY Venable 20
29 NY Dentons 20
30 NY Norton Rose Fulbright 20
31 NY Morgan Lewis 58
32 NY Curtis Mallet-Prevost 39
33 NY Dechert 134
34 NY Cadwalader 164
35 NY Stroock Stroock 115
36 NY Brown Rudnick 20
37 NY Troutman Sanders 20
38 NY Schiff Hardin 20
39 NY Herbert Smith 39
40 NY Carter Ledyard 39

[Anonymous User]

I don't think any of these are out based on grades. Solid bid list in my opinion. Good luck.

Columbia,

Yes, I am an NYU student so feel free to ignore this if you wish, but I would greatly appreciate it if any of you would be willing to critique my bidlist. It seems that Columbia provides its students with more data re: grade cutoffs/which firms you actually have a shot with.

I have a very unfortunate 2.98 and bidlists are due by 6:00pm today.

Are some of these firms clearly out of my league? Any reordering? Any other firms I should consider? Thanks Morningside Heights!

Harsh criticism is very welcome.

BID City Firm Name Slots
1 NY DLA Piper 9
2 NY Baker McKenzie 20
3 NY Bingham McCutcheon 39
4 NY Paul Hastings 58
5 NY Alston Bird 20
6 NY Linklaters 39
7 NY Hogan Lovells 58
8 NY Mayer Brown 51
9 NY Kaye Scholer 58
10 NY Clifford Chance 77
11 NY Holland Knight 20
12 NY Kasowitz 20
13 NY Duane Morris 20
14 NY Hughes Hubbard 58
15 NY Reed Smith 20
16 NY Katten Muchin 39
17 NY Greenburg Traurig 39
18 NY Goodwin Procter 39
19 NY King Spalding 39
20 NY Chadbourne Parke 77
21 NY Kramer Levin 39
22 NY Winston Strawn 39
23 NY Pillsbury Winthrop 58
24 NY K&L Gates 77
25 NY Willkie Farr 134
26 NY Schulte Roth 115
27 NY Hunton Williams 20
28 NY Venable 20
29 NY Dentons 20
30 NY Norton Rose Fulbright 20
31 NY Morgan Lewis 58
32 NY Curtis Mallet-Prevost 39
33 NY Dechert 134
34 NY Cadwalader 164
35 NY Stroock Stroock 115
36 NY Brown Rudnick 20
37 NY Troutman Sanders 20
38 NY Schiff Hardin 20
39 NY Herbert Smith 39
40 NY Carter Ledyard 39

[Anonymous User]

I don't think any of these are out based on grades. Solid bid list in my opinion. Good luck.

Seconded. Can't really comment on the ranking, due to no knowledge of NYU and the allotted screeners/bid:interview ratio, but it seems like a well-chosen group of firms.

[Anonymous User]

Okay, so I know what I said before. However, the prospect of living/working in NY is awful (more awful than having to do 3L OCI and worrying about if I'll be employed). I will not be bidding NY.

I added some less selective firms and I think I can get all of these interviews (barring some scheduling stuff), A handful of callbacks and an at least 1 offer somewhere in this list seems doable. The bolded firms seem like my better bets. I'm from a Houston suburb, so the ties are definitely there.

1. hogan lovells DC (9)
2. Sidley DC (11)
3. Williams & Connolly DC (23)
4. Arnold & Porter DC (25)
5. Covington DC (25)
6. WilmerHale DC (26)
7. Skadden DC (26)
8. Kirkland DC (29)
9. Mayer Brown DC (*)
10. Jones Day HOU (-)
11. Akin Gump DC (20)
12. Greenberg Taurig AUSTIN (-)
13. Weil DAL (-)
14. Kirkland HOU (-)
15. Steptoe & Johnson DC (*)
16. Gibson Dunn DAL (*)
17. Sidley HOU (-)
18. Bickel Brewer DAL (*)
19. Boies Schiller DC (*)
20. Baker Botts HOU (*)
21. Hughes Hubbard DC (*)
22. Latham DC (*)
23. Haynes and Boone HOU (28)
24. Vinson Elkins HOU (30)
25. King & Spalding DC (30)
26. Chadbourne & Park DC (30)
27. Susman HOU (*)

-Leia

[jbagelboy]

Okay, so I know what I said before. However, the prospect of living/working in NY is awful (more awful than having to do 3L OCI and worrying about if I'll be employed). I will not be bidding NY.

I added some less selective firms and I think I can get all of these interviews (barring some scheduling stuff), A handful of callbacks and an at least 1 offer somewhere in this list seems doable. The bolded firms seem like my better bets. I'm from a Houston suburb, so the ties are definitely there.

1. Hogan Lovells DC (9)
2. Sidley DC (11)
3. Williams & Connolly DC (23)
4. Arnold & Porter DC (25)
5. Covington DC (25)
6. WilmerHale DC (26)
7. Skadden DC (26)
8. Kirkland DC (29)
9. Mayer Brown DC (*)
10. Jones Day HOU (-)
11. Akin Gump DC (20)
12. Greenberg Taurig AUSTIN (-)
13. Weil DAL (-)
14. Kirkland HOU (-)
15. Steptoe & Johnson DC (*)
16. Gibson Dunn DAL (*)
17. Sidley HOU (-)
18. Bickel Brewer DAL (*)
19. Boies Schiller DC (*)
20. Baker Botts HOU (*)
21. Hughes Hubbard DC (*)
22. Latham DC (*)
23. Haynes and Boone HOU (28)
24. Vinson Elkins HOU (30)
25. King & Spalding DC (30)
26. Chadbourne & Park DC (30)
27. Susman HOU (*)

-Leia

Be ready over the next few weeks to mass-mail the shit out of every Texas firm if you're going with this strategy; don't rely only on EIP for these markets/bids (and you should get something - good luck!).

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know when the first callback interviews were last year? Not when they were scheduled, but when they took place. Could they happen as early as during EIP?

[Anonymous User]

3.48; 2 years WE; LA focus with NYC firms added in. I'm clearly 2 law firms short so any recommendations on what I should add would be good.

Boies (NYC)
Alston (LA)
Arnold (LA)
Debevoise (NYC)
Mofo (LA)
Weil (NYC)
Jones Day (LA)
Covington (NYC)
Paul, Weiss (NYC)
Cleary (NYC)
Paul Hastings (LA)
Davis Polk (NYC)
Skadden (LA)
Sheppard (LA)
Perkins Coie (LA)
Latham (LA)
Simpson (NYC)
O'Melveny (LA)
Kirkland (LA)
Sidley (LA)
Manatt (LA)
Akin Gump (LA)
White & Case (LA)
S&C (LA)
Proskauer (LA)
Gibson (LA)
Irell (LA)
Munger (LA)

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know when the first callback interviews were last year? Not when they were scheduled, but when they took place. Could they happen as early as during EIP?

yeah, I've heard of people having them the second week of EIP (so for us, August 13-15). I imagine those would be for screeners that took place on August 7/8. Some have suggested taking the rest of that week off from callbacks to recover from EIP, but I think it's better to schedule them ASAP.