Northwestern OCI Forum

[Anonymous User]

It seems like there's only 2 NU grads at Gibson Dunn NYC. Is this self selection or does Gibson not like to hire from NU as much?

GDC didn't come to NU OCI for a long time. When I asked my CSO they said they had hired students in the past but it was entirely based on resume drop/mass mail. So it's not overly surprising that there are few NU people at GDC, particularly in NYC.

Thanks! I guess there's a better chance this year then!

[Cobretti]

Would be hilarious if the same person made both above posts.
Anyway, DF is right. Cutoffs are just that, a cutoff. The median of GPA's actually hired is much more important to determine firm selectivity.

Where can we get median gpa's of those hired?

the answer to where can we get [meaningful data] seems to always be it doesn't exist.

but like bdubs just did for the above anon, you can check anecdotally the alums at the office you're interested in for their honors/journal info.

[Anonymous User]

Would be hilarious if the same person made both above posts.
Anyway, DF is right. Cutoffs are just that, a cutoff. The median of GPA's actually hired is much more important to determine firm selectivity.

Where can we get median gpa's of those hired?

the answer to where can we get [meaningful data] seems to always be it doesn't exist.

but like bdubs just did for the above anon, you can check anecdotally the alums at the office you're interested in for their honors/journal info.

Keep in mind though, that only Coif/Magna/Summa really mean anything as far as determining whether a firm is grade-focused on the high end. You could do the math, but basically you'd need an average 4.15+ over 2L and 3L to counterbalance a 3.5 1L GPA, in order to get magna. Cum laude is only a 3.65 cGPA, so someone with a 2.95 1L, who took tons of seminars for a 4.0 during 2L & 3L, could get it.

While you can't find the medians of those who received actual offers, the OCI spreadsheets you have should be helpful. I think those medians are inflated for some firms, btw, so perhaps the meaningful stat lies somewhere between min & median; once more, though, understand that this is 40% reporting we're talking about so... if you have definitive information, that would trump any inference you draw from the stats. Sound-check some of the firms you're unsure about (website search, TLS, word of mouth), if you have time.

[bdubs]

Keep in mind though, that only Coif/Magna/Summa really mean anything as far as determining whether a firm is grade-focused on the high end.

I think people already know which firms require grades that are at/around Coif, so it's not really even useful there (unless you're looking at small firms). Journal membership may be the best proxy available, but it's a really poor one.

I wouldn't really bother trying to use associate profiles to determine selectivity. Just use the CB data provided and pay attention to the rumor mill, although you should take it all with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous User]

It seems like there's only 2 NU grads at Gibson Dunn NYC. Is this self selection or does Gibson not like to hire from NU as much?

GDC didn't come to NU OCI for a long time. When I asked my CSO they said they had hired students in the past but it was entirely based on resume drop/mass mail. So it's not overly surprising that there are few NU people at GDC, particularly in NYC.

Thanks! I guess there's a better chance this year then!

This is correct. Gibson LA's hiring method was to ask CSO to hand pick 5 rising 2Ls with very high GPAs and a CA or Los Angeles interest. Not sure about Gibson's NY office.

[Anonymous User]

Let's play a guessing game. Where will Cravath/DPW/S&C/STB go? Let's just all agree to not bid them until 18+ at minimum.

Full disclosure: I'm starting them at 17.

[Pokemon]

Let's play a guessing game. Where will Cravath/DPW/S&C/STB go? Let's just all agree to not bid them until 18+ at minimum.

Full disclosure: I'm starting them at 17.

You are not getting them then.

[Betharl]

Bids are due at 5:00 on the 28th, I think. When do we find out what interviews we got?

[Anonymous User]

Let's play a guessing game. Where will Cravath/DPW/S&C/STB go? Let's just all agree to not bid them until 18+ at minimum.

Full disclosure: I'm starting them at 17.

You are not getting them then.

Where will STB go? I think they have 40 slots?

[Anonymous User]

On the topic of GPA/Callback data...

Can everyone of the Class of 2016 be a good citizen this year and fill the GPA/Callback survey out timely and accurately? I can't believe the turnaround is only 40% for the classes before us.

[bananasplit19]

Bids are due at 5:00 on the 28th, I think. When do we find out what interviews we got?

According to my calendar, the following Friday (Aug. 1).

On the topic of GPA/Callback data...

Can everyone of the Class of 2016 be a good citizen this year and fill the GPA/Callback survey out timely and accurately? I can't believe the turnaround is only 40% for the classes before us.

Crucial anon use. Seriously, though, CSO says they're going to try to make us sign pledges to report this year, although I doubt it will have any noticeable effect on the overall percentage.

[zugzwanger]

Bids are due at 5:00 on the 28th, I think. When do we find out what interviews we got?

According to my calendar, the following Friday (Aug. 1).

On the topic of GPA/Callback data...

Can everyone of the Class of 2016 be a good citizen this year and fill the GPA/Callback survey out timely and accurately? I can't believe the turnaround is only 40% for the classes before us.

Crucial anon use. Seriously, though, CSO says they're going to try to make us sign pledges to report this year, although I doubt it will have any noticeable effect on the overall percentage.

[Micdiddy]

Bids are due at 5:00 on the 28th, I think. When do we find out what interviews we got?

According to my calendar, the following Friday (Aug. 1).

On the topic of GPA/Callback data...

Can everyone of the Class of 2016 be a good citizen this year and fill the GPA/Callback survey out timely and accurately? I can't believe the turnaround is only 40% for the classes before us.

Crucial anon use. Seriously, though, CSO says they're going to try to make us sign pledges to report this year, although I doubt it will have any noticeable effect on the overall percentage.

Doesn't want to be outed for attending NorTTThwestern. Or is it NorthwesTTTern?

[Dr. Filth]

BUT YOU SIGNED A PLEDGE

[zugzwanger]

Did you guys include your GPA on the resume you used for the resume books on symp? Not that it really matters at this point since it is closed, but I used my regular resume that didn't have it and now thinking probably should have included GPA

[Micdiddy]

Did you guys include your GPA on the resume you used for the resume books on symp? Not that it really matters at this point since it is closed, but I used my regular resume that didn't have it and now thinking probably should have included GPA

I believe those resume books had no restrictions. GPA and journal membership should have definitely been on there. Whatever your GPA is, firms will assume it's bad.
FWIW, I think of my "regular resume" as the one with GPA and journal on it, and my "OCI Resume" as the special one for OCI.

[Anonymous User]

Critique my OCI Bid List? 3.3 GPA - Fine with Bay Area, New York, or LA, but tried to mostly focus on NY. Thanks!

1) -Freshfields – New York = 20 slots
2) -Linklaters - New York = 20 slots
3) -Bryan Cave – San Francisco = 40 slots
4) -Cooley – San Francisco and San Diego = 36 slots
5) -Paul Hastings – San Francisco = 20 slots
6) -Kaye Scholer – New York = 40 slots
7) -DLA Piper – San Francisco = 20 slots
8 ) -Fried Frank – New York = 40 slots
9) -Dechert – New York = 20 slots
10) -Pillsbury Winthrop – San Francisco = 20 slots
11) -Fenwick – San Francisco = 20 slots
12) -Sidley Austin – Palo Alto = 20 slots
13) -Proskauer – New York = 20 slots
14) -Kirkland & Ellis – San Francisco = 40 slots
15) -Wilson Sonsini – Palo Alto = 40 slots
16) -Paul Hastings – New York = 20 slots
17) -Proskauer – Los Angeles = 20 slots
18) -Goodwin Procter – Los Angeles = 20 slots
19) -Foley and Lardner – LA = 40 slots
20) -Cahill Gordon & Reindel – New York = 20 slots
21) -Vinson & Elkins – New York = 20 slots
22) -Gunderson Dettmer – Redwood City = 20 slots
23) -White & Case – New York = 20 slots
24) -Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft – New York = 40 slots
25) -Mayer Brown – New York = 80 slots
26) -O’Melveny & Meyers = 60 slots
27) -Pircher Nichols & Meeks = 20 slots
28) -Sidley Austin = 20 slots
29) -Alston & Bird – New York = 20 slots
30) -Allen & Overy – New York = 20 slots
31) -Weil – New York = 60 slots
32) -Simpson Thatcher – New York = 40 slots
33) -Weil – Redwood Shores = 17 slots
34) -Shearman Sterling – New York = 20 slots
35) -Seward Kissel – New York = 20 slots
36) -Latham & Watkins – San Diego = 9 slots
37) -Sidley Austin – New York = 20 slots
38) -Wilmerhale– New York = 20 slots

[Anonymous User]

Any feedback would be much appreciated. 3.47, Secondary Journal, WE. [FIRM (interview slots) (class size- nalp)]

1. White & Case NY (20) (37)
2. Weil NY (40) (53)
3. Allen & Overy NY (20) (20)
4. Cahill NY (20) (50)
5. Katten Chicago (40) (17)
6. Fried Frank NY (40) (20)
7. DLA Chicago (20) (29 – firm)
8. Foley Chicago (40) (6)
9. Jenner Chicago (60) (13)
10. Milbank Tweed NY (40) (70)
11. Chapman and Cutler Chicago (20) (x)
12. Kaye Scholer (NY) (40)
13. Dechert NY

[Anonymous User]

Any feedback would be much appreciated. 3.47, Secondary Journal, WE. [FIRM (interview slots) (class size- nalp)]

1. White & Case NY (20) (37)
2. Weil NY (40) (53)
3. Allen & Overy NY (20) (20)
4. Cahill NY (20) (50)
5. Katten Chicago (40) (17)
6. Fried Frank NY (40) (20)
7. DLA Chicago (20) (29 – firm)
8. Foley Chicago (40) (6)
9. Jenner Chicago (60) (13)
10. Milbank Tweed NY (40) (70)
11. Chapman and Cutler Chicago (20) (x)
12. Kaye Scholer (NY) (40)
13. Dechert NY

McDermott might be another good Chicago firm. You're above cutoff and they have 80 interview slots. I don't think you'll get Chapman that low, but you might have a better shot at McDermott there, so I'd consider swapping them.

[lhanvt13]

Did you guys include your GPA on the resume you used for the resume books on symp? Not that it really matters at this point since it is closed, but I used my regular resume that didn't have it and now thinking probably should have included GPA

I believe those resume books had no restrictions. GPA and journal membership should have definitely been on there. Whatever your GPA is, firms will assume it's bad.
FWIW, I think of my "regular resume" as the one with GPA and journal on it, and my "OCI Resume" as the special one for OCI.

Oci resume is supposed to be diff?

[zugzwanger]

Did you guys include your GPA on the resume you used for the resume books on symp? Not that it really matters at this point since it is closed, but I used my regular resume that didn't have it and now thinking probably should have included GPA

I believe those resume books had no restrictions. GPA and journal membership should have definitely been on there. Whatever your GPA is, firms will assume it's bad.
FWIW, I think of my "regular resume" as the one with GPA and journal on it, and my "OCI Resume" as the special one for OCI.

Oci resume is supposed to be diff?

Yup you can't put GPA/Journal on there -- only when you actually walk into the interview and hand them your physical resume:

OCI Resume Requirements For All Students
Do not include grade point average.
Do not have a resume longer than one page
Do not include journal information (current or future)
Do not upload your resume without submitting it to your Career Adviser for review!
Do include Dean’s list and other honors
Do list 1L Provisional JTIP membership;
Do include any research you did for a journal as a summer job;
Do list GPA and journal membership on resumes you use to apply to employers outside of OCI; and
Do include GPA and journal membership on the resume you hand to employers during OCI.

[lhanvt13]

Did you guys include your GPA on the resume you used for the resume books on symp? Not that it really matters at this point since it is closed, but I used my regular resume that didn't have it and now thinking probably should have included GPA

I believe those resume books had no restrictions. GPA and journal membership should have definitely been on there. Whatever your GPA is, firms will assume it's bad.
FWIW, I think of my "regular resume" as the one with GPA and journal on it, and my "OCI Resume" as the special one for OCI.

Oci resume is supposed to be diff?

Yup you can't put GPA/Journal on there -- only when you actually walk into the interview and hand them your physical resume:

OCI Resume Requirements For All Students
Do not include grade point average.
Do not have a resume longer than one page
Do not include journal information (current or future)
Do not upload your resume without submitting it to your Career Adviser for review!
Do include Dean’s list and other honors
Do list 1L Provisional JTIP membership;
Do include any research you did for a journal as a summer job;
Do list GPA and journal membership on resumes you use to apply to employers outside of OCI; and
Do include GPA and journal membership on the resume you hand to employers during OCI.

Oh poop. Time to go change things.

Thanks!!!

[zugzwanger]

It's kind of strange that you can't put the GPA but you can put honors on there considering the honors obviously signal what your GPA is...

[Micdiddy]

It's kind of strange that you can't put the GPA but you can put honors on there considering the honors obviously signal what your GPA is...

Considering it's all lottery it's kind of weird there are any restrictions. They have no choice but to interview you and the first thing they'll ask for is a new resume with GPA + journal

[Cobretti]

It's kind of strange that you can't put the GPA but you can put honors on there considering the honors obviously signal what your GPA is...

Considering it's all lottery it's kind of weird there are any restrictions. They have no choice but to interview you and the first thing they'll ask for is a new resume with GPA + journal

I don't get it either. They must have had firms pulling really shady stuff and not showing up to interviews for ppl with low GPAs or something.