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[quadsixm]

So, how are firms supposed to assess from your experience/personality/interviewing whether you're intelligent? Do you want them to administer their own assessment tests? Srs question.

That's exactly what companies do in engineering, consulting, and finance interviews.

[MrAnon]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

[Anonymous User]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

Not it worked out poorly for me or anything, but splitters in general might have a thing or two to say about that.

[TatteredDignity]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

Considering that the range of lowest to highest LSAT here is probably around 16, that seems to be a terrible proxy.

[TatteredDignity]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

Not it worked out poorly for me or anything, but splitters in general might have a thing or two to say about that.

I guess that's what I was trying to say.

[quadsixm]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

Considering that the range of lowest to highest LSAT here is probably around 16, that seems to be a terrible proxy.

It is way more than that. At least in our class, I personally know somebody with a 180 and somebody with a 159.

[MrAnon]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

Considering that the range of lowest to highest LSAT here is probably around 16, that seems to be a terrible proxy.

Sorry but the harsh reality is that the test separates the men from the boys. You want another test? Maybe a do-over of college GPA? The school you attend speaks a lot about your abilities. Not everyone is cut out for biglaw, not everyone is cut out for midlaw, not everyone is cut out to argue in front of the Supreme Court.

[MrAnon]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

Considering that the range of lowest to highest LSAT here is probably around 16, that seems to be a terrible proxy.

It is way more than that. At least in our class, I personally know somebody with a 180 and somebody with a 159.

Great. But employers would rather be at the school where everyone is scoring in the 170s. And someone with a 180 LSAT at WUSTL? what does that say about their college GPA?

[Kabuo]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

Considering that the range of lowest to highest LSAT here is probably around 16, that seems to be a terrible proxy.

Sorry but the harsh reality is that the test separates the men from the boys.

I'm trying to think of how you could make your next post more annoying and even less on topic. And why do you care about that 180's GPA? Hasn't he already separated himself from the boys by your metric?

[top30man]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

Considering that the range of lowest to highest LSAT here is probably around 16, that seems to be a terrible proxy.

Sorry but the harsh reality is that the test separates the men from the boys.

I'm trying to think of how you could make your next post more annoying and even less on topic. And why do you care about that 180's GPA? Hasn't he already separated himself from the boys by your metric?

Agreed. Theres a lot of ego-flexing going on ITT thats really detracting from the point.

[MrAnon]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

Considering that the range of lowest to highest LSAT here is probably around 16, that seems to be a terrible proxy.

Sorry but the harsh reality is that the test separates the men from the boys.

I'm trying to think of how you could make your next post more annoying and even less on topic. And why do you care about that 180's GPA? Hasn't he already separated himself from the boys by your metric?

Not really. Part of the whole thing is where he/she ends up schooling. That's why the firms look to certain schools and then cherry pick from the ones that are not elite schools.

[JCougar]

So, how are firms supposed to assess from your experience/personality/interviewing whether you're intelligent? Do you want them to administer their own assessment tests? Srs question.

It depends on what kind of business model Biglaw wants to use. They profit mightily from the disposable associate model. Every associate hour billed is profit, so they just need warm bodies that they can keep busy...they don't care if you can stick around.

The problem is that this is incredibly inefficient economically, and clients are sick of paying the high cost.

If you actually want to hire people that are going to last and become experts in the field, I think they should use some form of assessment and/or testing, in addition to more structured interviews. The key is balance: not relying too heavily on just one metric. Law schools themselves could make their grades more valuable by focusing more on writing and research...especially of the sort that requires researching novel legal issues not readily explained in E&Es and commercial outlines. If the grades were based on doing things lawyers actually do as a lawyer, they wouldn't be as worthless from a hiring standpoint.

I also think they should change the third year of school into a sort of residency or internship. You can kind of do this via clinics already, but there's not a lot of options if you want to be on the defense side.

To sum it up, though, I think its important that they consider more factors than they currently do. I don't know if I'd do any better or worse with a different system, but I think it would be easier to live with the result if the process facially made more sense.

And it would surely benefit law firms, where clients are demanding experienced attorneys do the work. In this new environment, it will be the firms that retain the most associates that get the most business. And in that case, assessment-based hiring would certainly be advantageous.

[quadsixm]

Not really. Part of the whole thing is where he/she ends up schooling. That's why the firms look to certain schools and then cherry pick from the ones that are not elite schools.

Your logic is absolutely brutal. Jesus.

If firms believed, as you do, that the LSAT serves as an assessment test, then they would freakin' ask for your score. That makes more sense than trying to infer it based on the median LSAT score of the school that you attend. Same goes for UGPA.

[JCougar]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

LOL. Your trolling needs work. If you want troll our school, the LSAT scores are the last thing you should bring up. Were tied for the 14th highest LSAT median in the country. Bring up our placement stats, bring up our US News ranking whoring, but our class median LSAT score is one of our strongest points.

[lawdooder]

As shitty as it is, you guys knew it was this bad when you signed up. WUSTL places shittily and ITE only exacerbated it. Suck it up or move on.

[MrAnon]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

LOL. Your trolling needs work. If you want troll our school, the LSAT scores are the last thing you should bring up. Were tied for the 14th highest LSAT median in the country. Bring up our placement stats, bring up our US News ranking whoring, but our class median LSAT score is one of our strongest points.

um but its WUSTL. In all seriousness if you are that proud of your LSAT score then you need to milk it for all its worth and crack the T14. If you didn't you either took the money from WUSTL, a move that does not work out for most, or you had a lousy GPA, in which case, you were not T14 material. Law firms dont just need test takers, they need people who have excelled in all aspects and have rich experiences.

[quadsixm]

There was an assessment test!!! its called the LSAT!!!! duh. If you scored well enough you go to a high ranked school. If you score not so great you go to WUSTL.

LOL. Your trolling needs work. If you want troll our school, the LSAT scores are the last thing you should bring up. Were tied for the 14th highest LSAT median in the country. Bring up our placement stats, bring up our US News ranking whoring, but our class median LSAT score is one of our strongest points.

um but its WUSTL. In all seriousness if you are that proud of your LSAT score then you need to milk it for all its worth and crack the T14. If you didn't you either took the money from WUSTL, a move that does not work out for most, or you had a lousy GPA, in which case, you were not T14 material. Law firms dont just need test takers, they need people who have excelled in all aspects and have rich experiences.

Again, if law firms gave two shits about what your LSAT and UGPA were, they would have asked for them instead of trying to infer what your numbers were based on your school averages.

[MrAnon]

What do you think they care about then?

[seatown12]

As shitty as it is, you guys knew it was this bad when you signed up. WUSTL places shittily and ITE only exacerbated it. Suck it up or move on.

you anonymous post shittily

[quadsixm]

What do you think they care about then?

One word: Prestige.

[Anonymous User]

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[romothesavior]

This thread really turned to shit in a hurry.

[stratocophic]

A thread about our beloved WUSTL's OCI - was there ever any real chance that it wasn't going to end up being SPS on multiple levels?

[lawdooder]

A thread about our beloved WUSTL's OCI - was there ever any real chance that it wasn't going to end up being SPS on multiple levels?

i just fail to understand why you guys feel blindsided by your schools SPS results.

[quadsixm]

A thread about our beloved WUSTL's OCI - was there ever any real chance that it wasn't going to end up being SPS on multiple levels?

i just fail to understand why you guys feel blindsided by your schools SPS results.

Where ITT do you draw the conclusion that anyone here is blindsided?