NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL Forum

[aelfwin]

Did you interview anywhere over the summer? Wondering if firms in my 2ndary market are going to expect me to do this.

Well, a firm notified me from a mailing and wanted to set up an interview before OCI. I ended up interviewing with them right after OCI ended and before callbacks began. You should definitely mail secondary midlaw firms early (July). It seems that many have a similar recruiting time line as biglaw.

[markymark]

Wow, Boalt got SHAFTED

4 callbacks at top 1/3 and an average interview isn't shafted. It's probably just about average for T7-14.

Not at Penn brochacho (at least for those that bid NYC).

I'm assuming by "top 1/3" he means "right at the border of top 1/3." And by a "7" interview he means "5"...

As for Penn, who knows. I'd imagine it's somewhere between NYU and NU for people targeting NYC (maybe 5-6?). I don't have any data for Penn, but I'd be wary of going by your impressions as a 1L since the people who are comfortable talking about jobs to 1Ls are a very self-selecting demographic.

For median people targeting NYC at Penn this year, I'd say the average # of callbacks was probably around 7-9. I know below median kids with more than that for NYC too.

[rayiner]

4 callbacks at top 1/3 and an average interview isn't shafted. It's probably just about average for T7-14.

Not at Penn brochacho (at least for those that bid NYC).

I'm assuming by "top 1/3" he means "right at the border of top 1/3." And by a "7" interview he means "5"...

As for Penn, who knows. I'd imagine it's somewhere between NYU and NU for people targeting NYC (maybe 5-6?). I don't have any data for Penn, but I'd be wary of going by your impressions as a 1L since the people who are comfortable talking about jobs to 1Ls are a very self-selecting demographic.

For median people targeting NYC at Penn this year, I'd say the average # of callbacks was probably around 7-9. I know below median kids with more than that for NYC too.

Damn. That's CLS/NYU numbers right there.

[Anonymous User]

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Damn. That's CLS/NYU numbers right there.[/quote]

The impression that I get as a lowley know-nothing 1L pondscum is that P is doing much better than M and V for NYC targeters. Almost on par with N in fact.

I was actually comfortable choosing P over N(YU) with similar $ after talking to career services at both schools in part because of similarities in NYC placement (2nd choice) and arguably better placement in my home market (1st choice).

[aelfwin]

For median people targeting NYC at Penn this year, I'd say the average # of callbacks was probably around 7-9. I know below median kids with more than that for NYC too.

How did you surmise this? I haven't spoken to enough people to get this data and career services hasn't released numbers.

These numbers suggest P is doing better than NYU in New York City (judging off NYU's callback/offer excel spreadsheet), which is questionable.

[Veyron]

For median people targeting NYC at Penn this year, I'd say the average # of callbacks was probably around 7-9. I know below median kids with more than that for NYC too.

How did you surmise this? I haven't spoken to enough people to get this data and career services hasn't released numbers.

These numbers suggest P is doing better than NYU in New York City (judging off NYU's callback/offer excel spreadsheet), which is questionable.

Quantity does not imply quality?

[Anonymous User]

1) What does it say that everyone I know who is currently without a job is female? Reading too much into this...
2) Is there a OCI 2011 advice thread, or are we letting the class of 2013 learn for themselves/read through dozens of threads?
3) I don't think NYU's spreadsheet is very representative, because there doesn't seem to be that many NYU kids on here compared to their ginormous class size.

[Anonymous User]

School range: MVPB
Market(s): DC
Approx. class rank: Top 40%
Law review: no
Work experience: Yes
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Joint Degree Program, so not able to apply to many law firms because I'm graduating in 2013 (handful of interviewers told me during my interview that they were unlikely to extend me a callback because I'm a flight risk because I might go to another law firm next summer or I might use my other degree to get a non-law related job).
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): ?
Screening Interviews: 20
Mass mails: none
Callbacks received: 6
Callbacks accepted: 6
Offers w/vault ranges: 1 offer (V100), 2 dings, 3 pending

[Anonymous User]

School range: MVPB
Market(s): DC
Approx. class rank: Top 40%
Law review: no
Work experience: Yes
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Joint Degree Program, so not able to apply to many law firms because I'm graduating in 2013 (handful of interviewers told me during my interview that they were unlikely to extend me a callback because I'm a flight risk because I might go to another law firm next summer or I might use my other degree to get a non-law related job).
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): ?
Screening Interviews: 20
Mass mails: none
Callbacks received: 6
Callbacks accepted: 6
Offers w/vault ranges: 1 offer (V100), 2 dings, 3 pending

I have a hunch I know which school/V100 that is. I think there's probably a ding letter from said firm sitting in my mailbox.

[Anonymous User]

School range: UCLA/UT
Market(s): DC/Texas
Approx. class rank: Below Median (not by much)
Law review: Secondary Journal
Work experience: No (Did have 1L summer firm job)
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Graduated undergrad a year early. Grades improving (summer classes).
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 7
Screening Interviews: 22
Mass mails: 30
Callbacks received: 1
Callbacks accepted: 1
Offers w/vault ranges: 0
Offers: waiting on the one (in-house job at a big corporation so not holding my breath)

[chup]

It seems that people are evaluating their interview skills according to the Lake Wobegon standard.

[Kohinoor]

1) What does it say that everyone I know who is currently without a job is female? Reading too much into this...
2) Is there a OCI 2011 advice thread, or are we letting the class of 2013 learn for themselves/read through dozens of threads?
3) I don't think NYU's spreadsheet is very representative, because there doesn't seem to be that many NYU kids on here compared to their ginormous class size.

1) Female hysteria can hurt their performance during interviewing. Consider that males may feel a much stronger social stigma about admitting a lack of success at OCI.

[dood]

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[Anonymous User]

School range: T25
Market(s): NY
Approx. class rank: Top 30%
Law review: No
Work experience: Some
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: No
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 6
Screening Interviews: 6
Mass mails: A lot
Callbacks received: 3
Callbacks accepted: 3
Offers: 1 offer, 1 reject, one withdraw, all midlaw

feeling extremely lucky

[Anonymous User]

School range: T30
Market(s): Northeast Secondary Markets
Approx. class rank: Top 33%
Law review: secondary journal
Work experience: No
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: No
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 7-8
Screening Interviews: 9
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 4 All Mid-Law
Callbacks accepted: 4
Offers: 1 "big" firm in secondary market (the definition of Mid-Law), 2 rejections, 1 still pending

Relied solely on OCI at my school, I don't know why everyone is complaining about not finding a job.

[Anonymous User]

School range: FLS
Market(s): NY
Approx. class rank: Top 33%
Law review: secondary journal
Work experience: No
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: No
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 8
Screening Interviews: 11
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 2
Callbacks accepted: 2
Offers: 1 w/in V100, withdrew from other CB

[Anonymous User]

School range: M
Market(s): NY, SF, Secondary
Approx. class rank: ~ Top 40%
Law review: No journal
Work experience: 1 Year
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Nothing special - however, each of the callbacks I received probably resulted from individuals I'd met from prior WE (pre-LS and 1L summer) that knew my screeners and were willing to make a call/email on my behalf. While my grades aren't terrible, they didn't particularly distinguish me and the lack of a journal didn't help. Never underestimate the power of people who like you and are kind enough to go out on a limb for you - I'm incredibly grateful.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 7 at OCI, 9-10 at CB stage when I can just shoot the shit?
Screening Interviews: 23 (16 scheduled, contacted firms and hustled during breaks for 7 more - one of these eventually turned into an offer)
Mass mails: 0 (I know - risky and unwise)
Callbacks received: 3
Callbacks accepted: 3
Offers: 3 (NYC V50, SF V60, Non-Vault Secondary), accepted NYC.

[Anonymous User]

So it is finally my turn:

School range: MVPB
Market(s): NY
Approx. class rank: ~ 35-40%
Law review: secondary journal
Work experience: none
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: No
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 6-7
Screening Interviews: 16
Mass mails: 30+
Callbacks received: 3
Callbacks accepted: 3
Offers w/vault ranges: 1 V50

All I need is one.

[Anonymous User]

All I need is one.

Amen, brotha. A-fucking-men.



School range: UCLA/UT/Vandy
Market(s): In state
Approx. class rank: ~10%
Law review: Thank God
Work experience: Significant WE, but not in the legal field
IP background: Hard science background (UG and work)
Anything else that might have an impact?: Several LS extras (e.g., strong moot court performance, member of prestigious research board, competitive memo award)
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 3
Screening Interviews: ~30
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 4 (1 V100)
Callbacks accepted: 4
Offers w/vault ranges: 2 (One is a litigation boutique that pays above market salary(!), and the other is a midlaw regulatory firm that pays below market.)

Whew!

[Anonymous User]

All I need is one.

Amen, brotha. A-fucking-men.



School range: UCLA/UT/Vandy
Market(s): In state
Approx. class rank: ~10%
Law review: Thank God
Work experience: Significant WE, but not in the legal field
IP background: Hard science background (UG and work)
Anything else that might have an impact?: Several LS extras (e.g., strong moot court performance, member of prestigious research board, competitive memo award)
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 3
Screening Interviews: ~30
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 4 (1 V100)
Callbacks accepted: 4
Offers w/vault ranges: 1 (litigation boutique, above market salary!)

Whew!

so refreshing.

[RVP11]

So it is finally my turn:

School range: MVPB
Market(s): NY
Approx. class rank: ~ 35-40%
Law review: secondary journal
Work experience: none
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: No
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 6-7
Screening Interviews: 16
Mass mails: 30+
Callbacks received: 3
Callbacks accepted: 3
Offers w/vault ranges: 1 V50

All I need is one.

So much for honest assessments of interviewing ability.

[lawschoollll]

Something that I still don't understand: If you're posting anonymously, why give a school range instead of the ACTUAL SCHOOL you attend. This would seriously help people like me who are trying to figure out which school to attend *within* a particular range (e.g. people are calling Chi a "bloodbath," so when people say "above median CCN with 0 offers," it'd be nice to know whether it's C, C, or N). You're not outing yourself unless you're uniquely situated; 98% of the posters in this thread are not.

[Anonymous User]

School range: MVP
Market(s): NYC and Chicago
Approx. class rank: Slightly below Median
Law review: None
Work experience: None
IP background: None
Anything else that might have an impact?: None.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 2. I sound dumb. That being said, I am a very attractive dude. I think this really helped. I swear I was hit on by some of my interviewers.
Screening Interviews: 27
Callbacks received: 5
Callbacks accepted: 5
Offers w/vault ranges: V50 in Chicago, 2 V75s in NYC

Were they hot?

2 were. Most were not. I definitely played it up though as much as possible.

[wiseowl]

I don't really understand why everyone's whining about overhyped interviewing abilities in this thread, other than the fact that whining seems to be the pastime of the majority of this site's users.

Does it not make sense after awhile that top students at top law schools might *gasp* be closer to a 10 on a sliding scale of interviewing ability than my buddy from middle school that salvages sheet metal now out in the country?

I mean, if we're supposed to be rating ourselves 1-10 compared to other law students, fine. But A) that's pretty hard to do since you rarely if ever see other students interview, and B) is about as arbitrary as, well, anything else in law school.

Also not surprising that there's significant overlap in the "interviewgate" and "anon abuse!!!!!!" crowds. Mind. your. own. business.

[vanwinkle]

Something that I still don't understand: If you're posting anonymously, why give a school range instead of the ACTUAL SCHOOL you attend. This would seriously help people like me who are trying to figure out which school to attend *within* a particular range (e.g. people are calling Chi a "bloodbath," so when people say "above median CCN with 0 offers," it'd be nice to know whether it's C, C, or N). You're not outing yourself unless you're uniquely situated; 98% of the posters in this thread are not.

To counter this, there are some incredibly smart people on this forum who know each other pretty well, and saying what school you're from might make it really easy for someone to figure out who you are. I'm all for people giving a small range of schools instead of the school itself, if it's the difference between them sharing anonymously and not wanting to share at all.

These are merely my personal observations on the matter.