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Don't clerks typically come in as second years?
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My friend did UM's summer start program so he graduated in Dec '19 and took the bar in Feb. He was supposed to have started at his non-NYC V50 already, but his start date has been delayed indefinitely. It seems that even without concerns about delayed bar exams, at least his firm is reluctant to bring any stubs on early.Anonymous User wrote:How are firms handling incoming first years who are currently law clerks and have already passed the bar? Are those people also being deferred despite having taken and passed the bar?
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According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
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I'm pretty worried about my firm deferring to January and then waiting until October or something to further defer to March or April. I'd really like to line up a backup plan in case I'm deferred a year but that's basically impossible to do if firms wait to defer us further. It's like they want to prevent us from doing anything to bring in money or advance ourselves for a year.Sporty1911 wrote:According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
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Also quite worried about this. I wish there was some way for us to get clarity on how this is all going to develop, but there's unfortunately no way for us--or firms--to predict what next month is going to look like, let alone January 2021.Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty worried about my firm deferring to January and then waiting until October or something to further defer to March or April. I'd really like to line up a backup plan in case I'm deferred a year but that's basically impossible to do if firms wait to defer us further. It's like they want to prevent us from doing anything to bring in money or advance ourselves for a year.Sporty1911 wrote:According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
It would suck an unspeakable amount to essentially lose an entire year of your life, right as we are about to begin our careers.
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I don't have a lot of sympathy for the firms. I think they need to stick to their word wrt what they plan to do with incoming associates. If you announce January, you should stick with it. I'd take a significant paycut to not lose a year of my life.Sporty1911 wrote:Also quite worried about this. I wish there was some way for us to get clarity on how this is all going to develop, but there's unfortunately no way for us--or firms--to predict what next month is going to look like, let alone January 2021.Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty worried about my firm deferring to January and then waiting until October or something to further defer to March or April. I'd really like to line up a backup plan in case I'm deferred a year but that's basically impossible to do if firms wait to defer us further. It's like they want to prevent us from doing anything to bring in money or advance ourselves for a year.Sporty1911 wrote:According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
It would suck an unspeakable amount to essentially lose an entire year of your life, right as we are about to begin our careers.
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Take it from every biglaw mid level ever - appreciate all the time you get away from this job, even if it doesn’t come as planned. Of course you’ll be stressing out if you’re deferred, but you’ll likely never have the opportunity again until you retire to pursue with intensity your hobbies, creative outlets, etc. Spend time with friends and family (if possible), travel the world cheaply (if possible), get in great shape mentally and physically.Anonymous User wrote:I don't have a lot of sympathy for the firms. I think they need to stick to their word wrt what they plan to do with incoming associates. If you announce January, you should stick with it. I'd take a significant paycut to not lose a year of my life.Sporty1911 wrote:Also quite worried about this. I wish there was some way for us to get clarity on how this is all going to develop, but there's unfortunately no way for us--or firms--to predict what next month is going to look like, let alone January 2021.Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty worried about my firm deferring to January and then waiting until October or something to further defer to March or April. I'd really like to line up a backup plan in case I'm deferred a year but that's basically impossible to do if firms wait to defer us further. It's like they want to prevent us from doing anything to bring in money or advance ourselves for a year.Sporty1911 wrote:According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
It would suck an unspeakable amount to essentially lose an entire year of your life, right as we are about to begin our careers.
If you take the attitude that you are losing a year of your life, you’ll waste what is an amazing opportunity to take a “gap year” without any stigma, and likely with some compensation if it’s actually turns out to be a seriously extended deferral.
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3L has been a total joke for me so I've had plenty of time to do whatever I please. Plus, I don't plan on being in biglaw for very long. I am fortunate to not have any debt and basically just want the resume line so I can get out and go in house or something before I have kids. A year of deferral delays that.Ultramar vistas wrote:Take it from every biglaw mid level ever - appreciate all the time you get away from this job, even if it doesn’t come as planned. Of course you’ll be stressing out if you’re deferred, but you’ll likely never have the opportunity again until you retire to pursue with intensity your hobbies, creative outlets, etc. Spend time with friends and family (if possible), travel the world cheaply (if possible), get in great shape mentally and physically.Anonymous User wrote:I don't have a lot of sympathy for the firms. I think they need to stick to their word wrt what they plan to do with incoming associates. If you announce January, you should stick with it. I'd take a significant paycut to not lose a year of my life.Sporty1911 wrote:Also quite worried about this. I wish there was some way for us to get clarity on how this is all going to develop, but there's unfortunately no way for us--or firms--to predict what next month is going to look like, let alone January 2021.Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty worried about my firm deferring to January and then waiting until October or something to further defer to March or April. I'd really like to line up a backup plan in case I'm deferred a year but that's basically impossible to do if firms wait to defer us further. It's like they want to prevent us from doing anything to bring in money or advance ourselves for a year.Sporty1911 wrote:According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
It would suck an unspeakable amount to essentially lose an entire year of your life, right as we are about to begin our careers.
If you take the attitude that you are losing a year of your life, you’ll waste what is an amazing opportunity to take a “gap year” without any stigma, and likely with some compensation if it’s actually turns out to be a seriously extended deferral.
Travel would be nice but quite frankly I don't think extensive travel will be possible (safely) until 2021 so that's out.
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Anonymous User wrote:3L has been a total joke for me so I've had plenty of time to do whatever I please. Plus, I don't plan on being in biglaw for very long. I am fortunate to not have any debt and basically just want the resume line so I can get out and go in house or something before I have kids. A year of deferral delays that.Ultramar vistas wrote:Take it from every biglaw mid level ever - appreciate all the time you get away from this job, even if it doesn’t come as planned. Of course you’ll be stressing out if you’re deferred, but you’ll likely never have the opportunity again until you retire to pursue with intensity your hobbies, creative outlets, etc. Spend time with friends and family (if possible), travel the world cheaply (if possible), get in great shape mentally and physically.Anonymous User wrote:I don't have a lot of sympathy for the firms. I think they need to stick to their word wrt what they plan to do with incoming associates. If you announce January, you should stick with it. I'd take a significant paycut to not lose a year of my life.Sporty1911 wrote:Also quite worried about this. I wish there was some way for us to get clarity on how this is all going to develop, but there's unfortunately no way for us--or firms--to predict what next month is going to look like, let alone January 2021.Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty worried about my firm deferring to January and then waiting until October or something to further defer to March or April. I'd really like to line up a backup plan in case I'm deferred a year but that's basically impossible to do if firms wait to defer us further. It's like they want to prevent us from doing anything to bring in money or advance ourselves for a year.Sporty1911 wrote:According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
It would suck an unspeakable amount to essentially lose an entire year of your life, right as we are about to begin our careers.
If you take the attitude that you are losing a year of your life, you’ll waste what is an amazing opportunity to take a “gap year” without any stigma, and likely with some compensation if it’s actually turns out to be a seriously extended deferral.
Travel would be nice but quite frankly I don't think extensive travel will be possible (safely) until 2021 so that's out.
Damn you sound entitled.
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Entitled? I worked hard to get the job I wanted and expect to at least be warned if it won't be starting anytime soon so that I can plan accordingly. Firms deferring on very short notice are preventing incoming associates from pursuing other employment to provide for themselves (like maybe someone wants to try to get a clerkship if they're going to be deferred til May but can't really do so if they don't know they'll be deferred that long until October).lawlo wrote:Anonymous User wrote:3L has been a total joke for me so I've had plenty of time to do whatever I please. Plus, I don't plan on being in biglaw for very long. I am fortunate to not have any debt and basically just want the resume line so I can get out and go in house or something before I have kids. A year of deferral delays that.Ultramar vistas wrote:Take it from every biglaw mid level ever - appreciate all the time you get away from this job, even if it doesn’t come as planned. Of course you’ll be stressing out if you’re deferred, but you’ll likely never have the opportunity again until you retire to pursue with intensity your hobbies, creative outlets, etc. Spend time with friends and family (if possible), travel the world cheaply (if possible), get in great shape mentally and physically.Anonymous User wrote:I don't have a lot of sympathy for the firms. I think they need to stick to their word wrt what they plan to do with incoming associates. If you announce January, you should stick with it. I'd take a significant paycut to not lose a year of my life.Sporty1911 wrote:Also quite worried about this. I wish there was some way for us to get clarity on how this is all going to develop, but there's unfortunately no way for us--or firms--to predict what next month is going to look like, let alone January 2021.Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty worried about my firm deferring to January and then waiting until October or something to further defer to March or April. I'd really like to line up a backup plan in case I'm deferred a year but that's basically impossible to do if firms wait to defer us further. It's like they want to prevent us from doing anything to bring in money or advance ourselves for a year.Sporty1911 wrote:According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
It would suck an unspeakable amount to essentially lose an entire year of your life, right as we are about to begin our careers.
If you take the attitude that you are losing a year of your life, you’ll waste what is an amazing opportunity to take a “gap year” without any stigma, and likely with some compensation if it’s actually turns out to be a seriously extended deferral.
Travel would be nice but quite frankly I don't think extensive travel will be possible (safely) until 2021 so that's out.
Damn you sound entitled.
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I do get where you are coming from but I worry about having my offer rescinded and having this all be a huge waste of my time. If I was certain I would actually have an offer waiting at the end of a year-long deferral, it would be easier to see it as just a gap year. It feels like I might end up wasting months at the start of my career only to lose my offer and have trouble finding another job. I worry about how much money we will actually get in salary advances, too. Not that I think we won't be able to survive off of it, but I just don't feel super secure in my situation overall. I also don't expect to be able to travel, as you recognize, and who knows what might happen with a second wave and the rolling lockdowns people talk about, which may make it a little more difficult to do fun stuff or pursue a lot of hobbies. Again, I do get where you are coming from. And maybe I am worried too much or just naive about how much I might later appreciate time away from the job...but there is a lot about this that just doesn't feel like an amazing opportunity.Ultramar vistas wrote:Take it from every biglaw mid level ever - appreciate all the time you get away from this job, even if it doesn’t come as planned. Of course you’ll be stressing out if you’re deferred, but you’ll likely never have the opportunity again until you retire to pursue with intensity your hobbies, creative outlets, etc. Spend time with friends and family (if possible), travel the world cheaply (if possible), get in great shape mentally and physically.Anonymous User wrote:I don't have a lot of sympathy for the firms. I think they need to stick to their word wrt what they plan to do with incoming associates. If you announce January, you should stick with it. I'd take a significant paycut to not lose a year of my life.Sporty1911 wrote:Also quite worried about this. I wish there was some way for us to get clarity on how this is all going to develop, but there's unfortunately no way for us--or firms--to predict what next month is going to look like, let alone January 2021.Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty worried about my firm deferring to January and then waiting until October or something to further defer to March or April. I'd really like to line up a backup plan in case I'm deferred a year but that's basically impossible to do if firms wait to defer us further. It's like they want to prevent us from doing anything to bring in money or advance ourselves for a year.Sporty1911 wrote:According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
It would suck an unspeakable amount to essentially lose an entire year of your life, right as we are about to begin our careers.
If you take the attitude that you are losing a year of your life, you’ll waste what is an amazing opportunity to take a “gap year” without any stigma, and likely with some compensation if it’s actually turns out to be a seriously extended deferral.
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I think the delayed bar exams provide a rational reason for the deferments. Clerk time is often written off on bills and the postponement of state bar exams extends that timeframe by 3 months. In hindsight, it seems relatively easy to give a bar exam with social distancing. I mean if Disney and Six Flags can open theme parks with social distancing measures in place for lines and moving around the park, there's no reason why you can't space desks six feet apart. If you need to increase the number of testing centers, then you charge more for the test while keeping October as an option for those who can't afford it. To the extent anyone is to blame, some of the blame for your deferral may be misplaced.
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What an incredibly out of touch thing to say. How can we pursue hobbies when we're unsure about when we're starting our legal career? Also, how can we travel if it probably won't be safe to get on an airplane for at least a year? Hard to have an incredible attitude on this situation when it seems our fate is in the hands of a law firm who may leave you high and dry if this situation gets bad enough. Even if they want to keep us on, what if any advances/stipends aren't enough to cover unforeseen expenses?Ultramar vistas wrote:Take it from every biglaw mid level ever - appreciate all the time you get away from this job, even if it doesn’t come as planned. Of course you’ll be stressing out if you’re deferred, but you’ll likely never have the opportunity again until you retire to pursue with intensity your hobbies, creative outlets, etc. Spend time with friends and family (if possible), travel the world cheaply (if possible), get in great shape mentally and physically.Anonymous User wrote:I don't have a lot of sympathy for the firms. I think they need to stick to their word wrt what they plan to do with incoming associates. If you announce January, you should stick with it. I'd take a significant paycut to not lose a year of my life.Sporty1911 wrote:Also quite worried about this. I wish there was some way for us to get clarity on how this is all going to develop, but there's unfortunately no way for us--or firms--to predict what next month is going to look like, let alone January 2021.Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty worried about my firm deferring to January and then waiting until October or something to further defer to March or April. I'd really like to line up a backup plan in case I'm deferred a year but that's basically impossible to do if firms wait to defer us further. It's like they want to prevent us from doing anything to bring in money or advance ourselves for a year.Sporty1911 wrote:According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
It would suck an unspeakable amount to essentially lose an entire year of your life, right as we are about to begin our careers.
If you take the attitude that you are losing a year of your life, you’ll waste what is an amazing opportunity to take a “gap year” without any stigma, and likely with some compensation if it’s actually turns out to be a seriously extended deferral.
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Haha this made my day. Of course they can’t actually open with legitimate social distancing taking place. It’s called money money money.LSATWiz.com wrote:I think the delayed bar exams provide a rational reason for the deferments. Clerk time is often written off on bills and the postponement of state bar exams extends that timeframe by 3 months. In hindsight, it seems relatively easy to give a bar exam with social distancing. I mean if Disney and Six Flags can open theme parks with social distancing measures in place for lines and moving around the park, there's no reason why you can't space desks six feet apart. If you need to increase the number of testing centers, then you charge more for the test while keeping October as an option for those who can't afford it. To the extent anyone is to blame, some of the blame for your deferral may be misplaced.
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Honestly, as a 3L, it seems more out of touch to me to act like being deferred for some indefinite amount of time (with likely advances/stipends) is the worst thing ever when current associates are worried about getting laid off. I'd much rather potentially get paid not to work for a year than start working a highly stressful job only to face low hours, potential layoffs, furloughs, pay cuts, etc. I mean, regardless of whether you're waiting to start your legal career or already started, there's always the chance of a law firm leaving you "high and dry" in this situation. As an incoming associate facing deferral, you're at least shielded from any immediate career damage while the situation unfolds.jm2819 wrote:What an incredibly out of touch thing to say. How can we pursue hobbies when we're unsure about when we're starting our legal career? Also, how can we travel if it probably won't be safe to get on an airplane for at least a year? Hard to have an incredible attitude on this situation when it seems our fate is in the hands of a law firm who may leave you high and dry if this situation gets bad enough. Even if they want to keep us on, what if any advances/stipends aren't enough to cover unforeseen expenses?Ultramar vistas wrote:Take it from every biglaw mid level ever - appreciate all the time you get away from this job, even if it doesn’t come as planned. Of course you’ll be stressing out if you’re deferred, but you’ll likely never have the opportunity again until you retire to pursue with intensity your hobbies, creative outlets, etc. Spend time with friends and family (if possible), travel the world cheaply (if possible), get in great shape mentally and physically.Anonymous User wrote:I don't have a lot of sympathy for the firms. I think they need to stick to their word wrt what they plan to do with incoming associates. If you announce January, you should stick with it. I'd take a significant paycut to not lose a year of my life.Sporty1911 wrote:Also quite worried about this. I wish there was some way for us to get clarity on how this is all going to develop, but there's unfortunately no way for us--or firms--to predict what next month is going to look like, let alone January 2021.Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty worried about my firm deferring to January and then waiting until October or something to further defer to March or April. I'd really like to line up a backup plan in case I'm deferred a year but that's basically impossible to do if firms wait to defer us further. It's like they want to prevent us from doing anything to bring in money or advance ourselves for a year.Sporty1911 wrote:According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
It would suck an unspeakable amount to essentially lose an entire year of your life, right as we are about to begin our careers.
If you take the attitude that you are losing a year of your life, you’ll waste what is an amazing opportunity to take a “gap year” without any stigma, and likely with some compensation if it’s actually turns out to be a seriously extended deferral.
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Some associates who get deferred may ultimately see their offers rescinded, which is far worse than being laid off as a midlevel. It happened in 2009. 3Ls heading to V10 firms probably don't have anything to worry about and should just enjoy the time off, but for 3Ls headed to lower-ranked firms that have already cut salaries, employment is no guarantee.Honestly, as a 3L, it seems more out of touch to me to act like being deferred for some indefinite amount of time (with likely advances/stipends) is the worst thing ever when current associates are worried about getting laid off.
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Sure, but I was more so comparing being a deferred incoming associate to potentially getting laid off as a junior, since people's concerns ITT seem to do with "losing a year" of their life to deferral. If you weren't deferred, you'd be a junior, at the very bottom of the totem pole. If 2009 is any indicator, junior layoffs were much more common than offers being rescinded. If reasonable stipends/advances happen, I'm personally in no rush to become a junior right now.Anonymous User wrote:Some associates who get deferred may ultimately see their offers rescinded, which is far worse than being laid off as a midlevel. It happened in 2009. 3Ls heading to V10 firms probably don't have anything to worry about and should just enjoy the time off, but for 3Ls headed to lower-ranked firms that have already cut salaries, employment is no guarantee.Honestly, as a 3L, it seems more out of touch to me to act like being deferred for some indefinite amount of time (with likely advances/stipends) is the worst thing ever when current associates are worried about getting laid off.
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> how can I pursue my hobbies when we’re unsure about starting a legal career?jm2819 wrote:What an incredibly out of touch thing to say. How can we pursue hobbies when we're unsure about when we're starting our legal career? Also, how can we travel if it probably won't be safe to get on an airplane for at least a year? Hard to have an incredible attitude on this situation when it seems our fate is in the hands of a law firm who may leave you high and dry if this situation gets bad enough. Even if they want to keep us on, what if any advances/stipends aren't enough to cover unforeseen expenses?Ultramar vistas wrote:Take it from every biglaw mid level ever - appreciate all the time you get away from this job, even if it doesn’t come as planned. Of course you’ll be stressing out if you’re deferred, but you’ll likely never have the opportunity again until you retire to pursue with intensity your hobbies, creative outlets, etc. Spend time with friends and family (if possible), travel the world cheaply (if possible), get in great shape mentally and physically.Anonymous User wrote:I don't have a lot of sympathy for the firms. I think they need to stick to their word wrt what they plan to do with incoming associates. If you announce January, you should stick with it. I'd take a significant paycut to not lose a year of my life.Sporty1911 wrote:Also quite worried about this. I wish there was some way for us to get clarity on how this is all going to develop, but there's unfortunately no way for us--or firms--to predict what next month is going to look like, let alone January 2021.Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty worried about my firm deferring to January and then waiting until October or something to further defer to March or April. I'd really like to line up a backup plan in case I'm deferred a year but that's basically impossible to do if firms wait to defer us further. It's like they want to prevent us from doing anything to bring in money or advance ourselves for a year.Sporty1911 wrote:According to Reddit, Crowell & Moring has delayed start dates until January 2021 "at the earliest."
It would suck an unspeakable amount to essentially lose an entire year of your life, right as we are about to begin our careers.
If you take the attitude that you are losing a year of your life, you’ll waste what is an amazing opportunity to take a “gap year” without any stigma, and likely with some compensation if it’s actually turns out to be a seriously extended deferral.
A lot easier than you will be able to after starting it.
> how can we travel if it probably won't be safe to get on an airplane for at least a year
If you have some condition that makes you high risk, then that sucks, I’m sorry. I feel sure that there is a way for you to enjoy life regardless. Otherwise, I think there will be plenty of flights available shortly to interesting places.
> Hard to have an incredible attitude on this situation when it seems our fate is in the hands of a law firm who may leave you high and dry if this situation gets bad enough
Oh shit no wait that was the point of my post - your fate is to a certain extent out of your hands. But your attitude isn’t.
You seem super sensitive. This is a tough time, I understand that you may feel panicked and stressed. But this is a good time to focus on your resilience to outside factors and your response to events that feel outside of your control. In a normal 40 plus year career, you are going to go through more than one recession. You might get laid off through no fault of your own. You might get sick, your partner might get sick. You may have kids or other changes life circumstances. Your career might be a dead end that get superseded by technology or other change. You will have to adapt and overcome. Nothing is owed to you. No firm, company or other institution is looking out for you (and don’t ever be fooled otherwise). You’re in a great spot if you have a deferred start job, and no matter what happens there will be opportunities to get into biglaw down the road if for some reason things get worse and you lose your offer. Hope it all works out for you.
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There are plenty of people who aren’t going to feel comfortable flying and staying in hotels for quite while even without risk factors, which is completely reasonable.
That said, not knowing when you’ll start shouldn’t have any effect on the ability to pursue hobbies in the meantime, or you really need to work on work/life balance. It’s not like knowing whether you’ll start in October or January interferes with your ability to work out, play an instrument, make art, watch sports or movies, or whatever other hobby you have (unless your hobby is traveling for long stretches of time, which we’ve already established is probably unrealistic right now).
That said, not knowing when you’ll start shouldn’t have any effect on the ability to pursue hobbies in the meantime, or you really need to work on work/life balance. It’s not like knowing whether you’ll start in October or January interferes with your ability to work out, play an instrument, make art, watch sports or movies, or whatever other hobby you have (unless your hobby is traveling for long stretches of time, which we’ve already established is probably unrealistic right now).
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I think it's hard to think about hobbies when it's unclear whether we're supposed to be hustling or looking elsewhere. Do we know perhaps based on the last recession how confident we are that our deferrals will actually turn into jobs and not just further deferals/rescinded offers? No one wants to travel or pick up a skill when they get deferred to find out there's no job on the other end and they've just wasted a year (or w/e) waiting on nothing and spending their savings.
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Job searching also shouldn't make it impossible to pursue hobbies.
(Let me be clear - I totally get that a deferral isn't some great vacation and I'm not trying to paint it as such. I just think it's important to push back on the idea that in uncertain circumstances of course you can't do ANYTHING other than worry about your job 24/7, because I don't think that's mentally healthy. I agree that a deferral, barring absolute certainty your job will still be there at the end (which I agree is hard to have right now), isn't exactly a period of decadent leisure.)
(Let me be clear - I totally get that a deferral isn't some great vacation and I'm not trying to paint it as such. I just think it's important to push back on the idea that in uncertain circumstances of course you can't do ANYTHING other than worry about your job 24/7, because I don't think that's mentally healthy. I agree that a deferral, barring absolute certainty your job will still be there at the end (which I agree is hard to have right now), isn't exactly a period of decadent leisure.)
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I totally get that, and I'll be happy for the extra free time to spend on non-work things if that's how it works out.
The reason I asked about if there's any data about how good the odds are that deferals actually become jobs was because if things aren't looking good, there are certainly people that may land other opportunities instead of biglaw like contract jobs or a smaller firm (though I'm sure all legal employment is going to be rough), or any non-legal work they can find so they can actually pay their bills. For those people, it may be the same long hours without the time for passion projects or travel.
The reason I asked about if there's any data about how good the odds are that deferals actually become jobs was because if things aren't looking good, there are certainly people that may land other opportunities instead of biglaw like contract jobs or a smaller firm (though I'm sure all legal employment is going to be rough), or any non-legal work they can find so they can actually pay their bills. For those people, it may be the same long hours without the time for passion projects or travel.
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Re: Incoming Associates Getting Deferred
Oh, I get it. Yes, that makes sense.needsomehelphere wrote:I totally get that, and I'll be happy for the extra free time to spend on non-work things if that's how it works out.
The reason I asked about if there's any data about how good the odds are that deferals actually become jobs was because if things aren't looking good, there are certainly people that may land other opportunities instead of biglaw like contract jobs or a smaller firm (though I'm sure all legal employment is going to be rough), or any non-legal work they can find so they can actually pay their bills. For those people, it may be the same long hours without the time for passion projects or travel.
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Re: Incoming Associates Getting Deferred
Email to students last night from dean of Penn:
Dear Class of 2020 graduates who intend to take the NY Bar,
By now many of you are aware of the update issued a few hours ago by the NY Board of Law Examiners, giving preference for scarce Bar exam spots to the graduates of New York's fifteen in-state law schools at the expense of all others.
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The order is misguided and quite possibly unlawful. It comes as a surprise to us, and to the deans at similarly situated top law schools outside of New York, with whom I have been in communication this evening. We plan to work collectively and individually in every way possible in the coming week to advocate against this decision. I am also meeting with our Law School board tomorrow at 9:00 am, and have alerted them about the order and that this will be our main agenda item. The Board includes several leaders at major NY firms to whom this also came as an unwelcome surprise, and they have let me know they will work with us to challenge this unfair rule.
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Re: Incoming Associates Getting Deferred
While I understand the feeling that the order is "unfair," there aren't enough seats! Not everyone who wants to take the exam can sit--this whole situation is unfair! But it seems to me like prioritizing NY schools is the least unfair option.Anonymous User wrote:Email to students last night from dean of Penn:
Dear Class of 2020 graduates who intend to take the NY Bar,
By now many of you are aware of the update issued a few hours ago by the NY Board of Law Examiners, giving preference for scarce Bar exam spots to the graduates of New York's fifteen in-state law schools at the expense of all others.
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The order is misguided and quite possibly unlawful. It comes as a surprise to us, and to the deans at similarly situated top law schools outside of New York, with whom I have been in communication this evening. We plan to work collectively and individually in every way possible in the coming week to advocate against this decision. I am also meeting with our Law School board tomorrow at 9:00 am, and have alerted them about the order and that this will be our main agenda item. The Board includes several leaders at major NY firms to whom this also came as an unwelcome surprise, and they have let me know they will work with us to challenge this unfair rule.
Is Penn's argument really going to be that because they have more grads working at big NYC firms they should get priority over Brooklyn Law School? The optics for that are going to be horrible. Interested to hear if people have other solutions in mind that they think would be fairer.
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
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