WUSTL EIW + Off Campus Programs (2016) Forum

[Anonymous User]

Axinn is a mid-sized litigation boutique that is very selective (3 summers) and as of the 160k scale, paid market. No word on whether they went to 180.

Boutiques are great for people who want litigation because you work closely with senior associates and partners (whereas in STB you might glance one at a firm event) and get substantive experience very early on. An Axinn associate will be in court years before an STB one.

Thanks for the clarification. What about the exit options? prestige v. experience, what is more important?

[PeanutsNJam]

Re: exit options, your practice group is most important. Axinn is a lit boutique, and the V10 firms are generally all corporate powerhouses (excepting Wachtell of course). If you want to go in-house, working with those particular clients at a corporate firm will put you in a much better position to go in-house than at a litigation boutique, even one as selective and competitive as Susman or Keker. Litigation boutiques give you great exit options at, as you can guess, litigation jobs, such as USAO. There are litigation positions in in-house counsel too, but they're more scare and therefore more competitive.

Prestige is less important than recognition. A PE firm hiring manager is probably not going to know much about Susman, even though Susman is as selective as Wachtell. And Vault is a terrible metric for prestige. Just lol at any non-Watchtell V10 being more prestigious than Williams & Connolly or MTO.

[Anonymous User]

Axinn is a mid-sized litigation boutique that is very selective (3 summers) and as of the 160k scale, paid market. No word on whether they went to 180.

Boutiques are great for people who want litigation because you work closely with senior associates and partners (whereas in STB you might glance one at a firm event) and get substantive experience very early on. An Axinn associate will be in court years before an STB one.

At the risk of outing myself, I can tell you from my experience interviewing already this summer with STB that this assessment is flatly wrong. The partners I've talked with all told me upfront that they are heavily involved with their associates in projects, and will even call in summers to work on larger cases/deals (I know at least on the transaction side of things SA's were involved in the Microsoft-Linkedin acquisition deal at STB). Who makes it into court earlier between either of these firms is going to depend more on individual talent than anything else, and frankly if you end up being the associate who only "might glance [a partner] at a firm event," odds are you're already on your way out.

What was the screener -> CB -> offer timeline for STB?

By the very nature of a firm that has over 800 associates, partners do not have time to deal with first year associates. Whatever interaction there is, it will be far more substantive at a firm of 60 attorneys.

Re: exit options, your practice group is most important. Axinn is a lit boutique, and the V10 firms are generally all corporate powerhouses (excepting Wachtell of course). If you want to go in-house, working with those particular clients at a corporate firm will put you in a much better position to go in-house than at a litigation boutique, even one as selective and competitive as Susman or Keker. Litigation boutiques give you great exit options at, as you can guess, litigation jobs, such as USAO. There are litigation positions in in-house counsel too, but they're more scare and therefore more competitive.

Prestige is less important than recognition. A PE firm hiring manager is probably not going to know much about Susman, even though Susman is as selective as Wachtell. And Vault is a terrible metric for prestige. Just lol at any non-Watchtell V10 being more prestigious than Williams & Connolly or MTO.

Cravath is a V10 you know...

[PeanutsNJam]

Yes, and it's a corporate powerhouse that is less selective than Wachtell, Susman, Keker, MTO, or W&C... Just look at the associate profiles at those firms vs Cravath. Cravath is interviewing, what, 10 wustlers? Maybe more? How many wustl kids do you know with Williams & Connolly or MTO screeners.

[Anonymous User]

Yes, and it's a corporate powerhouse that is less selective than Wachtell, Susman, Keker, MTO, or W&C... Just look at the associate profiles at those firms vs Cravath. Cravath is interviewing, what, 10 wustlers? Maybe more? How many wustl kids do you know with Williams & Connolly or MTO screeners.

First you said those firms are more prestigious. Then you say more selective. Which one is it? Are you a reptilian? Prestige isn't the same as selectivity! Where's your Goldman Sachs jacket.

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[Anonymous User]

Axinn is a mid-sized litigation boutique that is very selective (3 summers) and as of the 160k scale, paid market. No word on whether they went to 180.

Boutiques are great for people who want litigation because you work closely with senior associates and partners (whereas in STB you might glance one at a firm event) and get substantive experience very early on. An Axinn associate will be in court years before an STB one.

Also worth mentioning that they specialize in antitrust, along with a substantial IP footprint.

Why is antitrust or IP footprint worth mentioning?

[Anonymous User]

I mean, congrats on having a coffee chat with a ~V10~ firm, but what is laughable and naive is thinking a screener interview gives any substantive insight into how a firm works over what actual associates have said life is like at any major NYC firm.

If you're talking STB in a non-NY market, then I believe you.

You are a globalist. Nuff said. You act like you know but you know not much of things. You don't know what BigLaw is like for people working in BigLaw NY or Buffalo. A sign of weakness is boasting about things of which you are ignorant of facts. Ignorance is bliss, but neither is when you talk about firms you did not work or ever even have screeners with call backs or had a job fair encounter. Stop being like a gunner.

[Anonymous User]

I mean, congrats on having a coffee chat with a ~V10~ firm, but what is laughable and naive is thinking a screener interview gives any substantive insight into how a firm works over what actual associates have said life is like at any major NYC firm.

If you're talking STB in a non-NY market, then I believe you.

I feel like your level of condescension has been increasing exponentially, and it's not a pleasant thing to witness.

[PeanutsNJam]

I mean, congrats on having a coffee chat with a ~V10~ firm, but what is laughable and naive is thinking a screener interview gives any substantive insight into how a firm works over what actual associates have said life is like at any major NYC firm.

If you're talking STB in a non-NY market, then I believe you.

I feel like your level of condescension has been increasing exponentially, and it's not a pleasant thing to witness.

Seriously? I'm regurgitating what actual associates on TLS have said. If they're wrong, then I'm wrong.

Sorry if I respond with snark, but if someone speaks to me in a condescending manner, be ready for a snarky response.

Just to inform you guys, I was originally sticking up for Axinn and the pros of working at a litigation boutique (because there are people ITT excited about an Axinn screener), and another person expressly asked about exit options/prestige, to which I told him about which firms are selective vs which firms are not.

Lastly, I don't have any screeners with Wachtell, MTO, or W&C, so I don't see how any of my posts are condescending.

Great anon abuse everybody btw. Lol.

[Anonymous User]

I mean, congrats on having a coffee chat with a ~V10~ firm, but what is laughable and naive is thinking a screener interview gives any substantive insight into how a firm works over what actual associates have said life is like at any major NYC firm.

If you're talking STB in a non-NY market, then I believe you.

I feel like your level of condescension has been increasing exponentially, and it's not a pleasant thing to witness.

Seriously? I'm regurgitating what actual associates on TLS have said. If they're wrong, then I'm wrong.

What's condescending is bragging about a ~V10~ screener interview and deriding others who don't interview with these firms, and telling other people they're wrong. Sorry if I respond with snark, but if someone speaks to me in a condescending manner, be ready for a snarky response.

Just to inform you guys, I was originally sticking up for Axinn and the pros of working at a litigation boutique when some guy rolls in here with his "STB is a V6, what is Axinn?". If that's not condescending, what is?

Why are there partners making seven figures with benefits? there are fluorides floating in the water and a 2L SA can be fine with those certain particular jobs. A top 10% gunner with good grades and a good interview with eye contact is enough to be employed, but you're acting like Wachtell is the only place that there can be for any jobs. But this economy arent as bad. Jobs exist in other places, you just need mass mailing skills if you are ready.

[PeanutsNJam]

you're acting like Wachtell is the only place that there can be for any jobs

Where have I said this?

[Anonymous User]

I mean, congrats on having a coffee chat with a ~V10~ firm, but what is laughable and naive is thinking a screener interview gives any substantive insight into how a firm works over what actual associates have said life is like at any major NYC firm.

If you're talking STB in a non-NY market, then I believe you.

I feel like your level of condescension has been increasing exponentially, and it's not a pleasant thing to witness.

Seriously? I'm regurgitating what actual associates on TLS have said. If they're wrong, then I'm wrong.

What's condescending is bragging about a ~V10~ screener interview and deriding others who don't interview with these firms, and telling other people they're wrong. Sorry if I respond with snark, but if someone speaks to me in a condescending manner, be ready for a snarky response.

Just to inform you guys, I was originally sticking up for Axinn and the pros of working at a litigation boutique when some guy rolls in here with his "STB is a V6, what is Axinn?". If that's not condescending, what is?

Great anon abuse everybody btw. Lol.

I asked about Axinn as a genuine question and I appreciate your answers.

[Anonymous User]

you're acting like Wachtell is the only place that there can be for any jobs

Where have I said this?

You always say things of a nature like in that way. And you seem to be like intending on putting Wustlers down b/c of your goodness in class. That is reptilian. You can't just be like "MTO or DIE MOTHERFUCKER" and be cool with me or any respectable professors and/or students but things can change like they did around the world. that does NOT have to be your manner of thingz.

[MtheG]

Must every WUSTL thread turn into a dumpster fire?

On Topic: Respectful discussion of OCI process and firms involved in the programs

Off Topic: Pretentious debates over firm prestige, whatever the hell "globalist" means, name calling and personal attacks

[Joscellin]

Axinn is a mid-sized litigation boutique that is very selective (3 summers) and as of the 160k scale, paid market. No word on whether they went to 180.

Boutiques are great for people who want litigation because you work closely with senior associates and partners (whereas in STB you might glance one at a firm event) and get substantive experience very early on. An Axinn associate will be in court years before an STB one.

Also worth mentioning that they specialize in antitrust, along with a substantial IP footprint.

Why is antitrust or IP footprint worth mentioning?

The original question was asking about who Axinn was. PnJ did a good job discussing the fact that they're a lit boutique, and I felt it was worth mentioning that they focus on antitrust lit and IP, being most famous for their Antitrust work.

Seems like useful information? Just trying to be helpful.

[cm_burns]

I wouldn't spend too much time arguing with PeanutsNJam about this, I'm pretty sure he's a racist asshole Trump supporter in real life.

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[Anonymous User]

Axinn is a mid-sized litigation boutique that is very selective (3 summers) and as of the 160k scale, paid market. No word on whether they went to 180.

Boutiques are great for people who want litigation because you work closely with senior associates and partners (whereas in STB you might glance one at a firm event) and get substantive experience very early on. An Axinn associate will be in court years before an STB one.

Also worth mentioning that they specialize in antitrust, along with a substantial IP footprint.

Why is antitrust or IP footprint worth mentioning?

The original question was asking about who Axinn was. PnJ did a good job discussing the fact that they're a lit boutique, and I felt it was worth mentioning that they focus on antitrust lit and IP, being most famous for their Antitrust work.

Seems like useful information? Just trying to be helpful.

I thought you meant Axinn gets bonus points for being a boutique on anti-trust or IP work

[Anonymous User]

You said the concept that large firms have less junior associate/partner interactions than small litigation boutiques as "laughable and naive." That's not condescending? Fine, I don't care if other associates have said this and an associate I did a screener with who went to a litigation boutique from a large firm also said this, I stand by this assessment myself.

Just lol @ cb_burns, who threatened another poster with violence and death for posting about grades.

Stop being unaware of those things that are not within the ethos. Your mind has been corrupted by globalist messaging and those things aren't within your power. Violence takes the form of hurting peoples feelings, and CPS is hurting children.

[sublime]

Hey guys, so this has been a really helpful thread in the past, so don't fuck it up with bickering and anon abuse bullshit.

This especially goes for posters who have already been banned previously for derailing and trolling on-topic threads.

[cm_burns]

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