Columbia EIP 2016 Forum

[Anonymous User]

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[smaug]

Still a really weird list. Explain what you're doing or we won't be able to help you much. It's very aggressive but you have Milbank but no Davis Polk... It's just a really odd list.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

3.61, no LR, solid interviewer, okay with striking out. Want DC lit, but happy with NYC. Feedback on my bids list please? Should I just tack on random firms for the last 10 bids? Am I missing any solid lit places?

1 Hogan Lovells (DC) 3
2 Gibson (NY) 3
3 Deb (NY) 4
4 WilmerHale (NY) 9
5 Milbank (NY) 8
6 Paul Weiss (NY) 11
7 Kramer Levin (NY) 18
8 Cov (NY) 18
9 Gibson (DC) 18
10 WillamsConnolly(DC) 20
11 Cov (DC) 20
12 Wachtell (NY) 24
13 Steptoe&Johnson(DC) 25
14 Cravath (NY) 23
15 WilmerHale(DC) 27
16 K+E (DC) 27
17 Paul Weiss (DC) 29
18 Simpson(NY) 27
19 Deb (DC) 28
20 NixonPeabody(NY) 28

What in the jumpin' Jack fuck does "okay with striking out" mean?

[Anonymous User]

accidental anon

[dabigchina]

3.61, no LR, solid interviewer, okay with striking out. Want DC lit, but happy with NYC. Feedback on my bids list please? Should I just tack on random firms for the last 10 bids? Am I missing any solid lit places?

1 Hogan Lovells (DC) 3
2 Gibson (NY) 3
3 Deb (NY) 4
4 WilmerHale (NY) 9
5 Milbank (NY) 8
6 Paul Weiss (NY) 11
7 Kramer Levin (NY) 18
8 Cov (NY) 18
9 Gibson (DC) 18
10 WillamsConnolly(DC) 20
11 Cov (DC) 20
12 Wachtell (NY) 24
13 Steptoe&Johnson(DC) 25
14 Cravath (NY) 23
15 WilmerHale(DC) 27
16 K+E (DC) 27
17 Paul Weiss (DC) 29
18 Simpson(NY) 27
19 Deb (DC) 28
20 NixonPeabody(NY) 28

What in the jumpin' Jack fuck does "okay with striking out" mean?

I'm guessing this person wants to do PI/Gov't but is doing EIP because he's got nothing to lose.

[Anonymous User]

Still a really weird list. Explain what you're doing or we won't be able to help you much. It's very aggressive but you have Milbank but no Davis Polk... It's just a really odd list.

Really my primary interest is DC, and kind of filled that out without spending time to look at Chambers for gov't investigations of NY places and other lit practices. I put in places like Kramer Levin because of the complex lit practices, and since it's a smaller firm I figure I'll have more chances at being a part of that than getting stuck with transactional work at DP.

1 Hogan Lovells (DC) 3
2 Gibson (NY) 3
3 Deb (NY) 4
4 Sidley (DC) 6
5 WilmerHale (NY) 9
6 Paul Weiss (NY) 11
7 DavisPolk(NY) 15
8 Cleary (NY) 14
9 Gibson (DC) 18
10 Kramer Levin (NY) 18
11 Cov (NY) 18
12 Arnold Porter(DC) 19
13 WillamsConnolly(DC) 20
14 Cov (DC) 20
15 Skadden (DC) 20
16 Crowell (DC) 21
17 Wachtell (NY) 24
18 BakerBotts(DC) 25
19 Steptoe&Johnson(DC) 25
20 Cravath (NY) 23
21 Latham(DC) 23
22 WilmerHale(DC) 27
23 K+E (DC) 27
24 Paul Weiss (DC) 29
25 Simpson(NY) 27
26 Deb (DC) 28
27 NixonPeabody(NY) 28

[Anonymous User]

3.61, no LR, solid interviewer, okay with striking out. Want DC lit, but happy with NYC. Feedback on my bids list please? Should I just tack on random firms for the last 10 bids? Am I missing any solid lit places?

What in the jumpin' Jack fuck does "okay with striking out" mean?

I'm guessing this person wants to do PI/Gov't but is doing EIP because he's got nothing to lose.

100% the case.

Love being at a DA's office this summer, and would be super happy to just take that risk of getting post LS employment at an office I want. But I figured I have grades to do EIP well and I might as well play around with EIP especially since NALP guidelines say firms should hold offers until April for PI pursuits, and splitting a summer is can be an option

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

3.61, no LR, solid interviewer, okay with striking out. Want DC lit, but happy with NYC. Feedback on my bids list please? Should I just tack on random firms for the last 10 bids? Am I missing any solid lit places?

What in the jumpin' Jack fuck does "okay with striking out" mean?

I'm guessing this person wants to do PI/Gov't but is doing EIP because he's got nothing to lose.

100% the case.

Love being at a DA's office this summer, and would be super happy to just take that risk of getting post LS employment at an office I want. But I figured I have grades to do EIP well and I might as well play around with EIP especially since NALP guidelines say firms should hold offers until April for PI pursuits, and splitting a summer is can be an option

Why do EIP at all? You just want six weeks of SA lunches and Yankee games at $3500 a week before going off to the noble world?

[dabigchina]

3.61, no LR, solid interviewer, okay with striking out. Want DC lit, but happy with NYC. Feedback on my bids list please? Should I just tack on random firms for the last 10 bids? Am I missing any solid lit places?

What in the jumpin' Jack fuck does "okay with striking out" mean?

I'm guessing this person wants to do PI/Gov't but is doing EIP because he's got nothing to lose.

100% the case.

Love being at a DA's office this summer, and would be super happy to just take that risk of getting post LS employment at an office I want. But I figured I have grades to do EIP well and I might as well play around with EIP especially since NALP guidelines say firms should hold offers until April for PI pursuits, and splitting a summer is can be an option

I know jack shit about PI, but I have heard that government/PI really value commitment. Summering at a firm may make them question that commitment.

But, I'd like to reiterate that I know nothing about any of this.

[smaug]

Still a really weird list. Explain what you're doing or we won't be able to help you much. It's very aggressive but you have Milbank but no Davis Polk... It's just a really odd list.

Really my primary interest is DC, and kind of filled that out without spending time to look at Chambers for gov't investigations of NY places and other lit practices. I put in places like Kramer Levin because of the complex lit practices, and since it's a smaller firm I figure I'll have more chances at being a part of that than getting stuck with transactional work at DP.

1 Hogan Lovells (DC) 3
2 Gibson (NY) 3
3 Deb (NY) 4
4 Sidley (DC) 6
5 WilmerHale (NY) 9
6 Paul Weiss (NY) 11
7 DavisPolk(NY) 15
8 Cleary (NY) 14
9 Gibson (DC) 18
10 Kramer Levin (NY) 18
11 Cov (NY) 18
12 Arnold Porter(DC) 19
13 WillamsConnolly(DC) 20
14 Cov (DC) 20
15 Skadden (DC) 20
16 Crowell (DC) 21
17 Wachtell (NY) 24
18 BakerBotts(DC) 25
19 Steptoe&Johnson(DC) 25
20 Cravath (NY) 23
21 Latham(DC) 23
22 WilmerHale(DC) 27
23 K+E (DC) 27
24 Paul Weiss (DC) 29
25 Simpson(NY) 27
26 Deb (DC) 28
27 NixonPeabody(NY) 28

That's misguided because I would bet there are more lit jobs at SullCrom and DPW than you'll find in many smaller firms.

If you want DC a little confused by some of the firm choices but you're kinda cagey and I don't feel like digging to give you better advice.

[Anonymous User]

I know jack shit about PI, but I have heard that government/PI really value commitment. Summering at a firm may make them question that commitment.

But, I'd like to reiterate that I know nothing about any of this.

I don't really think this is the thread to get into this, but yeah you're definitely right. I'm still deciding/figuring out what I think is the best option (whether it be firm for 3 years before lateraling to something else), regardless doing EIP can't hurt, and I don't have to take any of the offers, all it gives me is more choices down the road.

[Anonymous User]

That's misguided because I would bet there are more lit jobs at SullCrom and DPW than you'll find in many smaller firms.

If you want DC a little confused by some of the firm choices but you're kinda cagey and I don't feel like digging to give you better advice.

Really don't mean to come off as cagey. Talked to OCS a bunch and looked at Chambers bands, which is where I pretty much came up with my list. I think I might have just gotten misguided from OCS. I'm from NYC, but would prefer to be in DC. Really don't want to end up doing transactional work, so I thought to focus on firms that seem to do a lot of lit work, but I guess I was just wrong with that. Sorry if that was more complicated than it needed to be.

[smaug]

That's misguided because I would bet there are more lit jobs at SullCrom and DPW than you'll find in many smaller firms.

If you want DC a little confused by some of the firm choices but you're kinda cagey and I don't feel like digging to give you better advice.

Really don't mean to come off as cagey. Talked to OCS a bunch and looked at Chambers bands, which is where I pretty much came up with my list. I think I might have just gotten misguided from OCS. I'm from NYC, but would prefer to be in DC. Really don't want to end up doing transactional work, so I thought to focus on firms that seem to do a lot of lit work, but I guess I was just wrong with that. Sorry if that was more complicated than it needed to be.

Got it now. I think that some of the firms are just massive and do lots of work.

In terms of your DC list, I was thinking about the lack of Cleary, WSGR and some others and was trying to figure out why you included firms like Steptoe and Nixon on your list.

I can't give great DC advice (or great advice at all, really) but I'd take a hard look at the offices there and figure out where it makes sense to bid.

[Anonymous User]

That's misguided because I would bet there are more lit jobs at SullCrom and DPW than you'll find in many smaller firms.

If you want DC a little confused by some of the firm choices but you're kinda cagey and I don't feel like digging to give you better advice.

Really don't mean to come off as cagey. Talked to OCS a bunch and looked at Chambers bands, which is where I pretty much came up with my list. I think I might have just gotten misguided from OCS. I'm from NYC, but would prefer to be in DC. Really don't want to end up doing transactional work, so I thought to focus on firms that seem to do a lot of lit work, but I guess I was just wrong with that. Sorry if that was more complicated than it needed to be.

Got it now. I think that some of the firms are just massive and do lots of work.

In terms of your DC list, I was thinking about the lack of Cleary, WSGR and some others and was trying to figure out why you included firms like Steptoe and Nixon on your list.

I can't give great DC advice (or great advice at all, really) but I'd take a hard look at the offices there and figure out where it makes sense to bid.

Thank you for that, and sorry again for dragging it out.

[Anonymous User]

Any idea if there's a lot of movement in FFB #? Is it safe to be 2-3 bids above the 2015 FFB or is it more a crap shoot?

[Bach-City]

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[jbagelboy]

Any idea if there's a lot of movement in FFB #? Is it safe to be 2-3 bids above the 2015 FFB or is it more a crap shoot?

I feel like there is quite a bit of movement in the FFB and 2 bids above definitely isn't safe. I would do at least 3 for firms you want to interview with but aren't committed to, and at least 4 for necessary firms.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

3.61, no LR, solid interviewer, okay with striking out. Want DC lit, but happy with NYC. Feedback on my bids list please? Should I just tack on random firms for the last 10 bids? Am I missing any solid lit places?

What in the jumpin' Jack fuck does "okay with striking out" mean?

I'm guessing this person wants to do PI/Gov't but is doing EIP because he's got nothing to lose.

100% the case.

Love being at a DA's office this summer, and would be super happy to just take that risk of getting post LS employment at an office I want. But I figured I have grades to do EIP well and I might as well play around with EIP especially since NALP guidelines say firms should hold offers until April for PI pursuits, and splitting a summer is can be an option

Why do EIP at all? You just want six weeks of SA lunches and Yankee games at $3500 a week before going off to the noble world?

Not OP, but that sounds pretty solid if I were the PI type.

I have no idea why PI bros don't just do SA + the year-ish of Biglaw where you could bill 1500 and not get fired. Seems like a sweet deal.

[smaug]

I have no idea why PI bros don't just do SA + the year-ish of Biglaw where you could bill 1500 and not get fired. Seems like a sweet deal.

Because then they probably won't get the PI job

[jbagelboy]

I have no idea why PI bros don't just do SA + the year-ish of Biglaw where you could bill 1500 and not get fired. Seems like a sweet deal.

Because then they probably won't get the PI job

[wons]

Any idea if there's a lot of movement in FFB #? Is it safe to be 2-3 bids above the 2015 FFB or is it more a crap shoot?

I feel like there is quite a bit of movement in the FFB and 2 bids above definitely isn't safe. I would do at least 3 for firms you want to interview with but aren't committed to, and at least 4 for necessary firms.

I think last year there were a couple of 5+

[Anonymous User]

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[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

I have no idea why PI bros don't just do SA + the year-ish of Biglaw where you could bill 1500 and not get fired. Seems like a sweet deal.

Because then they probably won't get the PI job

The PI job, maybe not. But a PI job? Pretty likely. Then you just have to decide whether Job A is worth a relatively chill $215k more than Job B.

[smaug]

I have no idea why PI bros don't just do SA + the year-ish of Biglaw where you could bill 1500 and not get fired. Seems like a sweet deal.

Because then they probably won't get the PI job

The PI job, maybe not. But a PI job? Pretty likely. Then you just have to decide whether Job A is worth a relatively chill $215k more than Job B.

I think you're still significantly overestimating the value of a biglaw washout.

[Anonymous User]

I got a bunch of screeners in my preferred market through a career fair. The problem is a few of my those offices were also on my bidlist. Do I have to drop them from my bidlist?