Did I just blow my chances with a specific law firm for 3L mass mailing by going to office hours? Forum

[Mr. Blackacre]

Stop saying you're going to deliver "a truth" when you mean you're going to lie.

No one who is saying that your personality is defective has suggested that means that the partner would have noticed the lie immediately and abandoned ship as soon as possible (apart from pleadthafifth). Everyone is saying that your response to this situation is so weird and convoluted that you are inevitably going to get yourself in trouble sometime. The more you scheme about complicated ways to respond to this specific situation, the more quickly that day will come.

I don't actually think the partner will really remember this in the future. Pretend the conversation never happened, and apply like a normal human being would. If they actually remember and ask, say your plans changed and leave it at that.

The problem is that you seem to have this impulse to lie about anything that might ever possibly reflect poorly on you in any way, and also a really inflated sense of what might reflect badly on you. You also don't seem to think there's anything wrong with lying to cover up any tiny thing you may have screwed up somehow. Apart from the moral issues, the logistics of lying over stupid things you don't have to lie about are really dodgy. The more you lie, the more balls you have in the air, and the more likely they are to come crashing down. And you really will get disbarred if you can't get past this need to hide anything you think reflects badly on you - again, not because it's immoral, because it's unsustainable.

This. The situation wouldn't be problematic for 99% of people. Actually, a lot of people would have just gone to the teacher, apologized for lying, and asked if he had advice on the job search. But your obsession with over-analyzing what people think of you, and trying to defeat what you imagine will be their thought process by lying, is what screws you over. If not in the short term, there's a non-negligible chance it might in the long run.

[UnicornHunter]

Surprise twist: the partner was Bob Guzetta.

[pancakes3]

Scenario 1:
Professor: Oh, studentX! Good to hear from you. I would be happy to pass your resume along to the hiring committee. You were a wonderful student and I would gladly help in any way possible.
Interviewer: So where did you work this summer?

Scenario 2:
Professor: Oh, studentX! Good to hear from you. I would be happy to pass your resume along to the hiring committee. You were a wonderful student and I would gladly help in any way possible. How was your summer? Non-NYC firm right?
studentX: No. I think you have me confused with...
Professor: Oh no. I'm so sorry to hear that. So, are you working at all right now?

Both of those sound pretty good to me. After each scenario, I'd tell the interviewer where I was that summer. But why would I tell you?

I don't know. Why didn't you just tell the professor what you were doing next summer to begin with? What difference is it that you tell him now or a couple months from now?

[pleadthafif]

OP must be getting nervous, he's going back and deleting all his posts ITT. Good thing I took screenshots

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

OP must be getting nervous, he's going back and deleting all his posts ITT. Good thing I took screenshots

Wait, is this not excellent flame?

And on that note, because I didn't really read that closely, what changed since we universally deemed OP a retard and Emperor Aspie like nine pages ago?

And on THAT note, though this is mighty unfair to the current jobless, I won't be able to help wondering how many of the jobless have earned it after the clusterfuck ITT.

[Caesar Salad]

So what happens when the partner just contacts the firm anyway? And then contacts your school and says "Hey, idk why, but one of your students lied to my face."

If you mean 10 months later, then that'll mean "April, my dad" (used here and everywhere else as a stand-in) was unpersuasive, then there's nothing I can do about that.

This is the question i was asking. I was just curious what your plan was for this eventuality, it seems like you've considered every other one -- it feels like this is a hole in your plan.

[Caesar Salad]

Surprise twist: the partner was Bob Guzetta.

[fats provolone]

start sending emails to non-NYC recruiting asking about summer start dates. then when they say "who the fuck are you?" you act like there was a misunderstanding and you thought you'd got an offer there.

[84651846190]

why are there so many posts itt

[Anonymous User]

why are there so many posts itt

autism

[pleadthafif]

OP must be getting nervous, he's going back and deleting all his posts ITT. Good thing I took screenshots

Wait, is this not excellent flame?

And on that note, because I didn't really read that closely, what changed since we universally deemed OP a retard and Emperor Aspie like nine pages ago?

And on THAT note, though this is mighty unfair to the current jobless, I won't be able to help wondering how many of the jobless have earned it after the clusterfuck ITT.

I don't know what that means but I didn't really take screenshots, who the fuck does that.

[Anonymous User]

OP must be getting nervous, he's going back and deleting all his posts ITT. Good thing I took screenshots

Totally sane, productive use of your time.
How do we know you're not the OP just pretending to be a 3rd party who took screenshots? I can imagine the OP screenshotting his posts right before he deletes them.

You: Sends screenshots to who knows where
Anonymous Tip: Yea, those screenshots? You want to know who wrote those things? The sender. He wrote those but is trying to falsely "come clean" so as to eliminate his name from the pool of suspects.
Like a suspect who "reports" his own crime so the cops look for other suspects (while of course always keeping an eye on the snitching perpetrator).

Btw, you're from the "Deep South" and want to go to schools like W&M, Georgia, FSU, maybe Duke/UVA if you can overcome your double digit deficit in LR in October, preferably with a full ride? Well you'd do well not to join any C/O'19 FB groups or agree to one of those "student spotlights" schools do of full-ride students.

It'd be so inconvenient for everyone involved--everyone--for each of those schools to get anonymous tips saying "you might want to double check these 5 guys; they lied on their LS apps re arrests and convictions."
Either something sticks or your classmates will have you to thank for the holdup.
Again, the consequences of allowing 0Ls in here.

[smaug]

this thread is my everything

OP must be getting nervous, he's going back and deleting all his posts ITT. Good thing I took screenshots

Totally sane, productive use of your time.
How do we know you're not the OP just pretending to be a 3rd party who took screenshots? I can imagine the OP screenshotting his posts right before he deletes them.

You: Sends screenshots to who knows where
Anonymous Tip: Yea, those screenshots? You want to know who wrote those things? The sender. He wrote those but is trying to falsely "come clean" so as to eliminate his name from the pool of suspects.
Like a suspect who "reports" his own crime so the cops look for other suspects (while of course always keeping an eye on the snitching perpetrator).

Btw, you're from the "Deep South" and want to go to schools like W&M, Georgia, FSU, maybe Duke/UVA if you can overcome your double digit deficit in LR in October, preferably with a full ride? Well you'd do well not to join any C/O'19 FB groups or agree to one of those "student spotlights" schools do of full-ride students.

It'd be so inconvenient for everyone involved--everyone--for each of those schools to get anonymous tips saying "you might want to double check these 5 guys; they lied on their LS apps re arrests and convictions."
Either something sticks or your classmates will have you to thank for the holdup.
Again, the consequences of allowing 0Ls in here.

qfp

[fats provolone]

hooooooly shit

[Anonymous User]

So what happens when the partner just contacts the firm anyway? And then contacts your school and says "Hey, idk why, but one of your students lied to my face."

If you mean 10 months later, then that'll mean "April, my dad" (used here and everywhere else as a stand-in) was unpersuasive, then there's nothing I can do about that.

This is the question i was asking. I was just curious what your plan was for this eventuality, it seems like you've considered every other one -- it feels like this is a hole in your plan.

Well the plan is for the [stand in truth] to be persuasive so I wouldn't have to worry about that. But why don't you tell me; what would you suggest I do if it came down to that?

[Desert Fox]

LOL my friend at C or N just emailed this anonymously to 7 adjuncts she think may match this situation.

[pleadthafif]

OP must be getting nervous, he's going back and deleting all his posts ITT. Good thing I took screenshots

Totally sane, productive use of your time.
How do we know you're not the OP just pretending to be a 3rd party who took screenshots? I can imagine the OP screenshotting his posts right before he deletes them.

You: Sends screenshots to who knows where
Anonymous Tip: Yea, those screenshots? You want to know who wrote those things? The sender. He wrote those but is trying to falsely "come clean" so as to eliminate his name from the pool of suspects.
Like a suspect who "reports" his own crime so the cops look for other suspects (while of course always keeping an eye on the snitching perpetrator).

Btw, you're from the "Deep South" and want to go to schools like W&M, Georgia, FSU, maybe Duke/UVA if you can overcome your double digit deficit in LR in October, preferably with a full ride? Well you'd do well not to join any C/O'19 FB groups or agree to one of those "student spotlights" schools do of full-ride students.

It'd be so inconvenient for everyone involved--everyone--for each of those schools to get anonymous tips saying "you might want to double check these 5 guys; they lied on their LS apps re arrests and convictions."
Either something sticks or your classmates will have you to thank for the holdup.
Again, the consequences of allowing 0Ls in here.

Wtf are you even talking about? So I'm the OP now?

[CaptainLeela]

Welcome to TLS

[A. Nony Mouse]

OP must be getting nervous, he's going back and deleting all his posts ITT. Good thing I took screenshots

Totally sane, productive use of your time.
How do we know you're not the OP just pretending to be a 3rd party who took screenshots? I can imagine the OP screenshotting his posts right before he deletes them.

You: Sends screenshots to who knows where
Anonymous Tip: Yea, those screenshots? You want to know who wrote those things? The sender. He wrote those but is trying to falsely "come clean" so as to eliminate his name from the pool of suspects.
Like a suspect who "reports" his own crime so the cops look for other suspects (while of course always keeping an eye on the snitching perpetrator).

Btw, you're from the "Deep South" and want to go to schools like W&M, Georgia, FSU, maybe Duke/UVA if you can overcome your double digit deficit in LR in October, preferably with a full ride? Well you'd do well not to join any C/O'19 FB groups or agree to one of those "student spotlights" schools do of full-ride students.

It'd be so inconvenient for everyone involved--everyone--for each of those schools to get anonymous tips saying "you might want to double check these 5 guys; they lied on their LS apps re arrests and convictions."
Either something sticks or your classmates will have you to thank for the holdup.
Again, the consequences of allowing 0Ls in here.

Sweet God. I nearly responded to pleadthafif's post saying "That's just what the OP would do to throw people off his trail!!1!!1!" But I decided against it because I thought it would be a stupid, low-hanging-fruit joke.

And I know he's not the OP pretending to be a 3rd party. Keep in mind that mods can see who posts anonymously. So I know who's crazy enough to make these ridiculous threats, OP, since you don't appear to be joking the way pleadthafif was.

In any case, the problems with this thread have nothing to do with 0Ls posting here. You are truly disturbing.

[Caesar Salad]

So what happens when the partner just contacts the firm anyway? And then contacts your school and says "Hey, idk why, but one of your students lied to my face."

If you mean 10 months later, then that'll mean "April, my dad" (used here and everywhere else as a stand-in) was unpersuasive, then there's nothing I can do about that.

This is the question i was asking. I was just curious what your plan was for this eventuality, it seems like you've considered every other one -- it feels like this is a hole in your plan.

Well the plan is for the [stand in truth] to be persuasive so I wouldn't have to worry about that. But why don't you tell me; what would you suggest I do if it came down to that?

Dude, I just wanted to know how you would solve that problem, your solutions to other problems brought up in this thread have been interesting. So I was curious.

To answer your question, if I had, in the heat of the moment, lied to a partner at a law firm, I would try to disappear from his radar. Imo, not worth the risk of being found out to be a liar and get black balled. But you already turned down that option earlier, which is why I didn't initially suggest it.

[20160810]

Nony et al I think it's time to nuke this guy

[Anonymous User]

LOL my friend at C or N just emailed this anonymously to 7 adjuncts she think may match this situation.

As a matter of pure coincidence, a few minutes later, 7 adjuncts received some more anonymous emails.

And I know he's not the OP pretending to be a 3rd party. Keep in mind that mods can see who posts anonymously.

Yea, but the schools/profs/partner don't. And I don't think they'd bother asking who's who.

Nony et al I think it's time to nuke this guy

then someone got cute and "kinda wants to know who I am IRL, but is 'on the fence.'" They can do that if they want, but it's going to have collateral consequences (even assuming he gets it right, which, lol good luck with that). Esp if it puts me in a "nothing to lose" situation, since at that point, well, what do I have to lose?

[Caesar Salad]

Dude, I just wanted to know how you would solve that problem, your solutions to other problems brought up in this thread have been interesting. So I was curious.

What'd you think of my other solutions. And if I think he's gonna call, wouldn't prefacing my response to "where's FirmX" with "I don't recall ever saying anything about firm X, I think you got me confused with this dude from Alabama..." suffice? Esp given the yearlong gap in memory?

As I said, I thought they were interesting. Your "tell the partner his memory is faulty" solution is likewise interesting. Thanks, I think there's no way you aren't working at his firm come 3L summer. Bases=covered

[A. Nony Mouse]

Nony et al I think it's time to nuke this guy

then someone got cute and "kinda wants to know who I am IRL, but is 'on the fence.'" They can do that if they want, but it's going to have collateral consequences (even assuming he gets it right, which, lol good luck with that). Esp if it puts me in a "nothing to lose" situation, since at that point, well, what do I have to lose?

What does this even mean? Do you understand what nuke means in this context?

[Anonymous User]

As I said, I thought they were interesting. Your "tell the partner his memory is faulty" solution is likewise interesting. Thanks, I think there's no way you aren't working at his firm come 3L summer. Bases=covered

Be serious. You think they're interesting and effective? Or just interesting? I'm not saying there's no way I won't be, but if not, it won't be because of a brief exchange a year ago.