Northwestern OCI 2015 Forum

[moneyball026]

I plan on massmailing extensively

dont plan on massmailing extensively, massmail extensively right now. do or do not. there is no plan.

[Micdiddy]

I plan on massmailing extensively

dont plan on massmailing extensively, massmail extensively right now. do or do not. there is no plan.

Yeah massmails should have already begun. Anyone who hasn't started, start.

[Anonymous User]

All Chi unless otherwise listed. Wanted lit but can express openness to transnational if it means an offer. 3.58. want CHI very much, would consider Portland. Portland is obviously going to be more mass-mailing. I do have an interview with a PDX firm through PLIP. I realize it's going to be tough but my spouse will leave me if I uproot us to NYC.

• 1 Schiff Hardin
  2 Jones Day
  3 K&L Gates
  4 Katten
  5 Jenner and Block
  6 Latham
  7 Kirkland and Ellis
  8 Vedder Price
  9 Locke Lorde
  10 Winston
  11 Edelson
  12 Sidley Austin
  13 Foley
  14 Holland and Knight (CHI AND PDX)
  15 Perkins Coie
  16 Mayer Brown
  17 Reed Smith
  18 Skadden
  19 Quarles
  20 Dentons
  21 Ropes and Gray
  22 Marshall Gerstein
  23 Seyfarth Shaw
  24 Shook Hardy
  25 Drinker Biddle
  26 Dykeme Gossett
  27 DLA Piper
  28 Greenberg Traurig
  29 Mcdermott Will
  30 Barrack Ferrazzano
  31 Faegre Baker Daniels
  32 Morgan Lewis
  33 Pattishall Mchauliffe
  34 Thompson Coburn
  35 Hansen Reynolds
  36 Donahue Brown
  37 Willkie (NY)
  38 Schulte (NY
  39 Milkbank (NY)
  40. ??

[lhanvt13]

All Chi unless otherwise listed. Wanted lit but can express openness to transnational if it means an offer. 3.58. want CHI very much, would consider Portland. Portland is obviously going to be more mass-mailing. I do have an interview with a PDX firm through PLIP. I realize it's going to be tough but my spouse will leave me if I uproot us to NYC.

• 1 Schiff Hardin
  2 Jones Day
  3 K&L Gates
  4 Katten
  5 Jenner and Block
  6 Latham
  7 Kirkland and Ellis
  8 Vedder Price
  9 Locke Lorde
  10 Winston
  11 Edelson
  12 Sidley Austin
  13 Foley
  14 Holland and Knight (CHI AND PDX)
  15 Perkins Coie
  16 Mayer Brown
  17 Reed Smith
  18 Skadden
  19 Quarles
  20 Dentons
  21 Ropes and Gray
  22 Marshall Gerstein
  23 Seyfarth Shaw
  24 Shook Hardy
  25 Drinker Biddle
  26 Dykeme Gossett
  27 DLA Piper
  28 Greenberg Traurig
  29 Mcdermott Will
  30 Barrack Ferrazzano
  31 Faegre Baker Daniels
  32 Morgan Lewis
  33 Pattishall Mchauliffe
  34 Thompson Coburn
  35 Hansen Reynolds
  36 Donahue Brown
  37 Willkie (NY)
  38 Schulte (NY
  39 Milkbank (NY)
  40. ??

you'll prob miss sidley and MAYBE kirkland.

[Anonymous User]

Completely disagree with the above. Based on the aggregate of the last three years, you'll definitely get Kirkland though probably not Sidley.

[moneyball026]

Completely disagree with the above. Based on the aggregate of the last three years, you'll definitely get Kirkland though probably not Sidley.

TIL: the word "completely" actually means "slightly"

[Anonymous User]

Can't remember exactly, but I got Kirkland two years ago at like 16 and Sidley around the same fwiw.

[Anonymous User]

Critiques please. I have no idea what I'm doing. 3.78, want lit in NY or DC (with some CA thrown in at the end...just because).

(the number in parenthesis is the number of interview slots the firm has available in other cities/offices. I feel like this is a relevant metric in looking at where to rank the firm.)

1. Debevoise & Plimpton / NY / 20
2. Gibson Dunn / NY / 20
3. Skadden / NY / 20 (80)
4. Davis Polk / NY / 20
5. Paul Weiss / NY / 40
6. Cravath / NY / 36
7. Sidley Austin / NY / 20 (140)
8. Sullivan & Cromwell / NY / 40
9. Wilmerhale / NY / 20 (40)
10. Wilmerhale / DC / 20 (40)
11. Cleary Gottlieb / NY / 40 (18)
12. Simpson Thacher / NY / 40 / (20)
13. O’Melveny & Myers / NY / 20 (40)
14. Morrison & Foerster / NY / 20
15. Covington & Burling / DC / 20
16. Jones Day / DC / 20 (80)
17. Sidley Austin / DC / 20 (140)
18. Winston and Strawn / NY / 20
19. Mayer Brown / NY / 20
20. Kaye Scholer / NY / 20
21. Weil, Gotshal & Manges / NY / 60 (20)
22. Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft / NY / 40
23. Willkie Farr & Gallagher / NY / 40
24. Cooley / NY / 40
25. Milbank Tweed Hadley & Mccloy / NY / 40
26. Shearman and Sterling / NY / 40
27. Jones Day / NY / 20 (80)
28. DLA Piper / DC / 20
29. Proskauer / NY / 20 (40)
30. Skadden / LA / 20 (80)
31. Kirkland / SF / 40 (111)
32. Perkins Coie / CA / 40 (40)
33. Sidley Austin / LA / 20 (140)
34. Cleary / DC / 18 (40NY)
35. Cahill Gordon & Reindel / NY / 20
36. freshfields bruckhaus deringer / NY / 20
37. Schiff Hardin / DC / 80
38. Baker Botts / NY / 40
39. Paul Hastings / NY / 20 (60)
40. Reed Smith / NY / 20

[sener212]

I plan on massmailing extensively

dont plan on massmailing extensively, massmail extensively right now. do or do not. there is no plan.

Yeah massmails should have already begun. Anyone who hasn't started, start.

I'll make a statement that others will probably disagree with heavily, but I'll say it anyway just to put in my two cents. Mass mailing is generally totally ineffective and a waste of time. I'm sure one person every so offer gets an SA from a big law firm through mass mailing, but I didn't know anyone like that from my class. You get SA jobs from OCI and other job fairs (OTIP, PLSF (is that what it's called?), etc.). Big law firms already see more than enough candidates to fill their classes from these functions. Generally, if you're getting an SA at a large law firm through mass mailing, you are an outstanding candidate, and you would've already got a big law firm gig anyway.

This does not apply to non-large law firms. I think mass mailing can work with these places; but they generally operate on a different schedule and through different hiring process than large law firms. These smaller firms aren't looking for mass mail stuff from a a rising 2L in July.

I'm sure there are exceptions, and it's true there is no downside to mass mailing, but just wanted to give some perspective here.

[Cobretti]

I'll make a statement that others will probably disagree with heavily, but I'll say it anyway just to put in my two cents. Mass mailing is generally totally ineffective and a waste of time. I'm sure one person every so offer gets an SA from a big law firm through mass mailing, but I didn't know anyone like that from my class. You get SA jobs from OCI and other job fairs (OTIP, PLSF (is that what it's called?), etc.). Big law firms already see more than enough candidates to fill their classes from these functions. Generally, if you're getting an SA at a large law firm through mass mailing, you are an outstanding candidate, and you would've already got a big law firm gig anyway.

This does not apply to non-large law firms. I think mass mailing can work with these places; but they generally operate on a different schedule and through different hiring process than large law firms. These smaller firms aren't looking for mass mail stuff from a a rising 2L in July.

I'm sure there are exceptions, and it's true there is no downside to mass mailing, but just wanted to give some perspective here.

And from just a couple pages back.....

I struck out at OCI, but was super lucky to get a job through mass mailing (literally got one offer).

If you're median just do it.

[Anonymous User]

I have a 3.3X and I want to work in Chicago or somewhere on the west coast. I am from the midwest. I do not want to work in New York, and I am willing to risk striking out. My guess is that I should not bid on SF/SJ because I do not have enough ties and that I should focus solely on Chicago for OCI. How should I bid OCI? Also, I would be happy with living in minneapolis/madison/seattle/portland/denver/bay area. Should I mass mail there?

[moneyball026]

Critiques please. I have no idea what I'm doing. 3.78, want lit in NY or DC (with some CA thrown in at the end...just because).

(the number in parenthesis is the number of interview slots the firm has available in other cities/offices. I feel like this is a relevant metric in looking at where to rank the firm.)

1. Debevoise & Plimpton / NY / 20
2. Gibson Dunn / NY / 20
3. Skadden / NY / 20 (80)
4. Davis Polk / NY / 20
5. Paul Weiss / NY / 40
6. Cravath / NY / 36
7. Sidley Austin / NY / 20 (140)
8. Sullivan & Cromwell / NY / 40
9. Wilmerhale / NY / 20 (40)
10. Wilmerhale / DC / 20 (40)
11. Cleary Gottlieb / NY / 40 (18)
12. Simpson Thacher / NY / 40 / (20)
13. O’Melveny & Myers / NY / 20 (40)
14. Morrison & Foerster / NY / 20
15. Covington & Burling / DC / 20
16. Jones Day / DC / 20 (80)
17. Sidley Austin / DC / 20 (140)
18. Winston and Strawn / NY / 20
19. Mayer Brown / NY / 20
20. Kaye Scholer / NY / 20
21. Weil, Gotshal & Manges / NY / 60 (20)
22. Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft / NY / 40
23. Willkie Farr & Gallagher / NY / 40
24. Cooley / NY / 40
25. Milbank Tweed Hadley & Mccloy / NY / 40
26. Shearman and Sterling / NY / 40
27. Jones Day / NY / 20 (80)
28. DLA Piper / DC / 20
29. Proskauer / NY / 20 (40)
30. Skadden / LA / 20 (80)
31. Kirkland / SF / 40 (111)
32. Perkins Coie / CA / 40 (40)
33. Sidley Austin / LA / 20 (140)
34. Cleary / DC / 18 (40NY)
35. Cahill Gordon & Reindel / NY / 20
36. Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer / NY / 20
37. Schiff Hardin / DC / 80
38. Baker Botts / NY / 40
39. Paul Hastings / NY / 20 (60)
40. Reed Smith / NY / 20

Let's move debevoise down a few notches but still in the top 5, put gibson 1 and skadden 2. Cravath can be moved down to about 10-12 very safely and it's a reach for you anyway so no use wasting that high a bid there. Move weil up a fair amount. Note about Sidley: you are going to need to pick 1 office and stick to it - they will ask in each office's interview which office you want so the other interviews at your 2nd choice office are basically wasted. I suggest their DC office if you want lit, & that way you arent wasting a top 10 bid with sidley NY. cooley will need to be moved up, probably to the top 10. simpson should be higher, also top 10. you can knock wilmer down a bit, but if you REALLY want it, keep it top 15 to be completely risk adverse. unless you're hell bent on NY, i'd think about moving some of the DC firms you have down low up to the 20s or late teens. you shouldnt have too big a problem securing cb from NYv10 with your GPA, so get a little bold with the bidding as long as you have those safeties sprinkled in.

[Slow Your Roll]

Critiques please. I have no idea what I'm doing. 3.78, want lit in NY or DC (with some CA thrown in at the end...just because).

(the number in parenthesis is the number of interview slots the firm has available in other cities/offices. I feel like this is a relevant metric in looking at where to rank the firm.)

1. Debevoise & Plimpton / NY / 20
2. Gibson Dunn / NY / 20
3. Skadden / NY / 20 (80)
4. Davis Polk / NY / 20
5. Paul Weiss / NY / 40
6. Cravath / NY / 36
7. Sidley Austin / NY / 20 (140)
8. Sullivan & Cromwell / NY / 40
9. Wilmerhale / NY / 20 (40)
10. Wilmerhale / DC / 20 (40)
11. Cleary Gottlieb / NY / 40 (18)
12. Simpson Thacher / NY / 40 / (20)
13. O’Melveny & Myers / NY / 20 (40)
14. Morrison & Foerster / NY / 20
15. Covington & Burling / DC / 20
16. Jones Day / DC / 20 (80)
17. Sidley Austin / DC / 20 (140)
18. Winston and Strawn / NY / 20
19. Mayer Brown / NY / 20
20. Kaye Scholer / NY / 20
21. Weil, Gotshal & Manges / NY / 60 (20)
22. Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft / NY / 40
23. Willkie Farr & Gallagher / NY / 40
24. Cooley / NY / 40
25. Milbank Tweed Hadley & Mccloy / NY / 40
26. Shearman and Sterling / NY / 40
27. Jones Day / NY / 20 (80)
28. DLA Piper / DC / 20
29. Proskauer / NY / 20 (40)
30. Skadden / LA / 20 (80)
31. Kirkland / SF / 40 (111)
32. Perkins Coie / CA / 40 (40)
33. Sidley Austin / LA / 20 (140)
34. Cleary / DC / 18 (40NY)
35. Cahill Gordon & Reindel / NY / 20
36. Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer / NY / 20
37. Schiff Hardin / DC / 80
38. Baker Botts / NY / 40
39. Paul Hastings / NY / 20 (60)
40. Reed Smith / NY / 20

Let's move debevoise down a few notches but still in the top 5, put gibson 1 and skadden 2. Cravath can be moved down to about 10-12 very safely and it's a reach for you anyway so no use wasting that high a bid there. Move weil up a fair amount. Note about Sidley: you are going to need to pick 1 office and stick to it - they will ask in each office's interview which office you want so the other interviews at your 2nd choice office are basically wasted. I suggest their DC office if you want lit, & that way you arent wasting a top 10 bid with sidley NY. cooley will need to be moved up, probably to the top 10. simpson should be higher, also top 10. you can knock wilmer down a bit, but if you REALLY want it, keep it top 15 to be completely risk adverse. unless you're hell bent on NY, i'd think about moving some of the DC firms you have down low up to the 20s or late teens. you shouldnt have too big a problem securing cb from NYv10 with your GPA, so get a little bold with the bidding as long as you have those safeties sprinkled in.

Wilmerhale DC can be moved to the 15-20 range and still safely get it.

[Anonymous User]

Critiques please. I have no idea what I'm doing. 3.78, want lit in NY or DC (with some CA thrown in at the end...just because).

(the number in parenthesis is the number of interview slots the firm has available in other cities/offices. I feel like this is a relevant metric in looking at where to rank the firm.)

1. Debevoise & Plimpton / NY / 20
2. Gibson Dunn / NY / 20
3. Skadden / NY / 20 (80)
4. Davis Polk / NY / 20
5. Paul Weiss / NY / 40
6. Cravath / NY / 36
7. Sidley Austin / NY / 20 (140)
8. Sullivan & Cromwell / NY / 40
9. Wilmerhale / NY / 20 (40)
10. Wilmerhale / DC / 20 (40)
11. Cleary Gottlieb / NY / 40 (18)
12. Simpson Thacher / NY / 40 / (20)
13. O’Melveny & Myers / NY / 20 (40)
14. Morrison & Foerster / NY / 20
15. Covington & Burling / DC / 20
16. Jones Day / DC / 20 (80)
17. Sidley Austin / DC / 20 (140)
18. Winston and Strawn / NY / 20
19. Mayer Brown / NY / 20
20. Kaye Scholer / NY / 20
21. Weil, Gotshal & Manges / NY / 60 (20)
22. Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft / NY / 40
23. Willkie Farr & Gallagher / NY / 40
24. Cooley / NY / 40
25. Milbank Tweed Hadley & Mccloy / NY / 40
26. Shearman and Sterling / NY / 40
27. Jones Day / NY / 20 (80)
28. DLA Piper / DC / 20
29. Proskauer / NY / 20 (40)
30. Skadden / LA / 20 (80)
31. Kirkland / SF / 40 (111)
32. Perkins Coie / CA / 40 (40)
33. Sidley Austin / LA / 20 (140)
34. Cleary / DC / 18 (40NY)
35. Cahill Gordon & Reindel / NY / 20
36. Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer / NY / 20
37. Schiff Hardin / DC / 80
38. Baker Botts / NY / 40
39. Paul Hastings / NY / 20 (60)
40. Reed Smith / NY / 20

Let's move debevoise down a few notches but still in the top 5, put gibson 1 and skadden 2. Cravath can be moved down to about 10-12 very safely and it's a reach for you anyway so no use wasting that high a bid there. Move weil up a fair amount. Note about Sidley: you are going to need to pick 1 office and stick to it - they will ask in each office's interview which office you want so the other interviews at your 2nd choice office are basically wasted. I suggest their DC office if you want lit, & that way you arent wasting a top 10 bid with sidley NY. cooley will need to be moved up, probably to the top 10. simpson should be higher, also top 10. you can knock wilmer down a bit, but if you REALLY want it, keep it top 15 to be completely risk adverse. unless you're hell bent on NY, i'd think about moving some of the DC firms you have down low up to the 20s or late teens. you shouldnt have too big a problem securing cb from NYv10 with your GPA, so get a little bold with the bidding as long as you have those safeties sprinkled in.

Thanks. Is Sidley the only firm that asks that question? (I also have two offices from Cleary, Skadden, and Wilmerhale)

[Anonymous User]

At median GPA. Started mass-mailing two weeks ago. Just got a CB scheduled. It's real life. Do it if you haven't started.

[Anonymous User]

If I have a 3.8x gpa and want to work transactional in NY, do I have to massmail, and who would I massmail if i should?

[Cobretti]

If I have a 3.8x gpa and want to work transactional in NY, do I have to massmail, and who would I massmail if i should?

No, you're going to have an easy time at oci.

[Cobretti]

At median GPA. Started mass-mailing two weeks ago. Just got a CB scheduled. It's real life. Do it if you haven't started.

Well done!

[moneyball026]

Is Sidley the only firm that asks that question? (I also have two offices from Cleary, Skadden, and Wilmerhale)

Sidley is the only one that I have personally experienced. Not sure about the others.

As for above comments regarding 3.8 transactional NY person, don't massmail unless it's late August and your options aren't what you thought they'd be.

[BaberhamLincoln]

Srs q: is family a tie?

[moneyball026]

Srs q: is family a tie?

ya

[Anonymous User]

Skadden notoriously doesn't care about interviewing at multiple offices and is very open to splitting summers. Dunno the other 2.

[Anonymous User]

How many markets in one bid list are too many?

[Anonymous User]

Transfer student, 3.8x/4.0, litigation. Any more advice before I submit?


1. Winston & Strawn
2. Jones Day
3. Reed Smith
4. Jenner & Block
5. Latham
6. DLA Piper
7. Kirkland
8. Sidley
9. Dentons
10. Greenberg
11. Katten
12. McDermott
13. K&L Gates
14. Proskauer (NY)
15. Weil (NY)
16. Schulte (NY)
17. Paul Hastings (NY)
18. Cahill (NY)
19. Lock Lorde
20. Drinker
21. Davis Polk (NY)
22. Ropes & Gray
23. Latham (NY)
24. Perkins Coie
25. Kaye Schoeler (NY)
26. McGuire Woods
27. Quarles & Brady
28. Winston & Strawn (NY)
29. Bryan Cave
30. Barack
31. Skadden (NY)
32. Baker & McKenzie

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