NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL Forum

[boalt2l]

School range:Boalt
Market(s): LA, SF
Approx. class rank: Top 33%
Law review: no
Work experience: none
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Relevant Work experience internships to practice area I applied to.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 7
Screening Interviews: 33
Mass mails: A lot
Callbacks received: 4
Callbacks accepted: 4
Offers w/vault ranges: 0 , Boalt sucks, CDO has pretty much told me I'm totally screwed, so I'll probably just take a job with some connection I have.

[Veyron]

School range:Boalt
Market(s): LA, SF
Approx. class rank: Top 33%
Law review: no
Work experience: none
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Relevant Work experience internships to practice area I applied to.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 7
Screening Interviews: 33
Mass mails: A lot
Callbacks received: 4
Callbacks accepted: 4
Offers w/vault ranges: 0 , Boalt sucks, CDO has pretty much told me I'm totally screwed, so I'll probably just take a job with some connection I have.

Wow, Boalt got SHAFTED

[boalt2l]

I don't feel bad for myself, I know people who had better grades and law review who got the same result.

[Veyron]

I don't feel bad for myself, I know people who had better grades and law review who got the same result.

Would you say that this is more the fault of the school or of the CA legal market?

[20160810]

I don't feel bad for myself, I know people who had better grades and law review who got the same result.

Would you say that this is more the fault of the school or of the CA legal market?

This result seems a bit like an outlier not representative of either the school or the market TBH. The CA market is tough, sure, but I know people with this guy's grades at UCD who have firm jobs, and there are plenty of about-median Boalt students (and transfers) who have firm jobs too.

[Anonymous User]

School range: One of the schools ranked 34-38
Market(s): DC, LA, GA, AL, VA
Approx. class rank: Top 25-30%
Law review: Secondary Journal
Work experience: Some managment experience throughout undergrad
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: URM; Clerked at two regionally well known firms last summer.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 11?
Screening Interviews: 15
Mass mails: No mass mails, but I did do job fairs.
Callbacks received: 5
Callbacks accepted: 5
Offers with Vault Ranges: 11

Ended up accepting an offer from a non-vault nlj250 firm in the DC metro area, and a pretty prestigous midlaw shop in my home state. The discrepancy between callbacks and offers is because I got offers without the callback in some places.

[thexfactor]

School range: One of the schools ranked 34-38
Market(s): DC, LA, GA, AL, VA
Approx. class rank: Top 25-30%
Law review: no
Work experience: Some managment experience throughout undergrad
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: URM; Clerked at two regionally well known firms last summer.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 11?
Screening Interviews: 15
Mass mails: No mass mails, but I did do job fairs.
Callbacks received: 5
Callbacks accepted: 5
Offers with Vault Ranges: 11

Ended up accepting an offer from a non-vault nlj250 firm in the DC metro area, and a pretty prestigous midlaw shop in my home state. The discrepancy between callbacks and offers is because I got offers without the callback in some places.

WTF.... FLAME???

[Anonymous User]

School range: One of the schools ranked 34-38
Market(s): DC, LA, GA, AL, VA
Approx. class rank: Top 25-30%
Law review: no
Work experience: Some managment experience throughout undergrad
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: URM; Clerked at two regionally well known firms last summer.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 11?
Screening Interviews: 15
Mass mails: No mass mails, but I did do job fairs.
Callbacks received: 5
Callbacks accepted: 5
Offers with Vault Ranges: 11

Ended up accepting an offer from a non-vault nlj250 firm in the DC metro area, and a pretty prestigous midlaw shop in my home state. The discrepancy between callbacks and offers is because I got offers without the callback in some places.

WTF.... FLAME???

This is me.

No flame. It happens all the time in secondary markets. I think this is fairly normal with job fair interviews as well. Especially if you go to school out of state; in that case the initial "screening" interview is essentially a callback.

[98234872348]

School range: One of the schools ranked 34-38
Market(s): DC, LA, GA, AL, VA
Approx. class rank: Top 25-30%
Law review: no
Work experience: Some managment experience throughout undergrad
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: URM; Clerked at two regionally well known firms last summer.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 11?
Screening Interviews: 15
Mass mails: No mass mails, but I did do job fairs.
Callbacks received: 5
Callbacks accepted: 5
Offers with Vault Ranges: 11

Ended up accepting an offer from a non-vault nlj250 firm in the DC metro area, and a pretty prestigous midlaw shop in my home state. The discrepancy between callbacks and offers is because I got offers without the callback in some places.

WTF.... FLAME???

I am assuming you didn't see this.

[Anonymous User]

School range: HYS
Market(s): NY, DC, LA
Approx. class rank: Transfer, top 5-10% at T18
Law review: No
Work experience: 4 years
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Lots of pro bono during 1L
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 7-8
Screening Interviews: 17
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 4 (all NY, no DC or LA love)
Callbacks accepted: 4
Offers w/vault ranges: 1 V10 (accepted), 1 V50; declined at V20 before decision made

Bids on DC and LA were totally wasted IMO.

[Anonymous User]

School range: T50 (lower Tier 1)
Market(s): DC only
Approx. class rank: 20%
Law review: secondary journal
Work experience: none, direct out of undergrad
IP background: Yes, non-EE
Anything else that might have an impact?: No
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 3
Screening Interviews: 15
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 1
Callbacks accepted: 1
Offers w/vault ranges: 0

[Aqualibrium]

School range: T50 (lower Tier 1)
Market(s): DC only
Approx. class rank: 20%
Law review: secondary journal
Work experience: none, direct out of undergrad
IP background: Yes, non-EE
Anything else that might have an impact?: No
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 3
Screening Interviews: 15
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 1
Callbacks accepted: 1
Offers w/vault ranges: 0

And this is why you don't go to American U. DC is insanely competitive.

[IzziesGal]

School range: One of the schools ranked 34-38
Market(s): DC, LA, GA, AL, VA
Approx. class rank: Top 25-30%
Law review: no
Work experience: Some managment experience throughout undergrad
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: URM; Clerked at two regionally well known firms last summer.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 11?
Screening Interviews: 15
Mass mails: No mass mails, but I did do job fairs.
Callbacks received: 5
Callbacks accepted: 5
Offers with Vault Ranges: 11

Ended up accepting an offer from a non-vault nlj250 firm in the DC metro area, and a pretty prestigous midlaw shop in my home state. The discrepancy between callbacks and offers is because I got offers without the callback in some places.

WTF.... FLAME???

This is me.

No flame. It happens all the time in secondary markets. I think this is fairly normal with job fair interviews as well. Especially if you go to school out of state; in that case the initial "screening" interview is essentially a callback.

I second that this is not a flame. I went on several interviews at Vault firms that were treated as callbacks, even though they were initial meetings. They treated my mass mail as the "screening" interview.

[aelfwin]

School: MVP
Markets: NYC, SF, secondary
Class rank: Between top third and top 40%
Law review: No
Work experience: None
IP: No
Anything else that might impact? No
Self-assessed interview ability: 5-6
Screening interviews: 12 through OCI
Mass mails: ~30
Callbacks received: 5 through OCI, 5 through mailings (callbacks were the only interviews for mailings)
Callbacks accepted: 6
Offers: 1 v20, 1 v50, 2 dings from v50, withdrew from others

[rayiner]

School range:Boalt
Market(s): LA, SF
Approx. class rank: Top 33%
Law review: no
Work experience: none
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Relevant Work experience internships to practice area I applied to.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 7
Screening Interviews: 33
Mass mails: A lot
Callbacks received: 4
Callbacks accepted: 4
Offers w/vault ranges: 0 , Boalt sucks, CDO has pretty much told me I'm totally screwed, so I'll probably just take a job with some connection I have.

Wow, Boalt got SHAFTED

4 callbacks at top 1/3 and an average interview isn't shafted. It's probably just about average for T7-14.

[Anonymous User]

At UVA I'd say 4 callbacks is more typical of median, not top third.

I question the interviewing ability of "7" when going 4/33.

[Kohinoor]

At UVA I'd say 4 callbacks is more typical of median, not top third.

I question the interviewing ability of "7" when going 4/33.

I'd say 1-2 callbacks is more typical of median at UVA if I can read into that OCS email a bit.

[Veyron]

School range:Boalt
Market(s): LA, SF
Approx. class rank: Top 33%
Law review: no
Work experience: none
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Relevant Work experience internships to practice area I applied to.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 7
Screening Interviews: 33
Mass mails: A lot
Callbacks received: 4
Callbacks accepted: 4
Offers w/vault ranges: 0 , Boalt sucks, CDO has pretty much told me I'm totally screwed, so I'll probably just take a job with some connection I have.

Wow, Boalt got SHAFTED

4 callbacks at top 1/3 and an average interview isn't shafted. It's probably just about average for T7-14.

Not at Penn brochacho (at least for those that bid NYC).

[rayiner]

School range:Boalt
Market(s): LA, SF
Approx. class rank: Top 33%
Law review: no
Work experience: none
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Relevant Work experience internships to practice area I applied to.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 7
Screening Interviews: 33
Mass mails: A lot
Callbacks received: 4
Callbacks accepted: 4
Offers w/vault ranges: 0 , Boalt sucks, CDO has pretty much told me I'm totally screwed, so I'll probably just take a job with some connection I have.

Wow, Boalt got SHAFTED

4 callbacks at top 1/3 and an average interview isn't shafted. It's probably just about average for T7-14.

Not at Penn brochacho (at least for those that bid NYC).

I'm assuming by "top 1/3" he means "right at the border of top 1/3." And by a "7" interview he means "5"...

As for Penn, who knows. I'd imagine it's somewhere between NYU and NU for people targeting NYC (maybe 5-6?). I don't have any data for Penn, but I'd be wary of going by your impressions as a 1L since the people who are comfortable talking about jobs to 1Ls are a very self-selecting demographic.

[Veyron]

[/quote]

Wow, Boalt got SHAFTED[/quote]

4 callbacks at top 1/3 and an average interview isn't shafted. It's probably just about average for T7-14.[/quote]

Not at Penn brochacho (at least for those that bid NYC).[/quote]

I'm assuming by "top 1/3" he means "right at the border of top 1/3." And by a "7" interview he means "5"...

As for Penn, who knows. I'd imagine it's somewhere between NYU and NU for people targeting NYC (maybe 5-6?). I don't have any data for Penn, but I'd be wary of going by your impressions as a 1L since the people who are comfortable talking about jobs to 1Ls are a very self-selecting demographic.[/quote]

Yes, and the people in that demographic tend to be top 1/3 but I've talked to a shitton of top 1/3 people. Like I said, I am MOAR interested in median and that is harder to get data points on.

[aelfwin]

Yes, and the people in that demographic tend to be top 1/3 but I've talked to a shitton of top 1/3 people. Like I said, I am MOAR interested in median and that is harder to get data points on.

Guessing that median is hit or miss, depending on work experience and personality.

Since you're a 1L, I would just worry about getting good grades at this point.

[Veyron]

Yes, and the people in that demographic tend to be top 1/3 but I've talked to a shitton of top 1/3 people. Like I said, I am MOAR interested in median and that is harder to get data points on.

Median is probably hit or miss, depending on work experience and personality.

When people say median, I assume it is a broader concept than the one guy who is actually median. What range is being referred to? 40-60%?

[aelfwin]

Yes, and the people in that demographic tend to be top 1/3 but I've talked to a shitton of top 1/3 people. Like I said, I am MOAR interested in median and that is harder to get data points on.

Median is probably hit or miss, depending on work experience and personality.

When people say median, I assume it is a broader concept than the one guy who is actually median. What range is being referred to? 40-60%?

45-55

Also, I started mailing smaller firms before OCI (in August), and had lined up callbacks that way outside of OCI. It's a good idea to prepare yourself ahead of time.

[Veyron]

Yes, and the people in that demographic tend to be top 1/3 but I've talked to a shitton of top 1/3 people. Like I said, I am MOAR interested in median and that is harder to get data points on.

Median is probably hit or miss, depending on work experience and personality.

When people say median, I assume it is a broader concept than the one guy who is actually median. What range is being referred to? 40-60%?

45-55

Also, I started mailing smaller firms before OCI (in August), and had lined up callbacks that way outside of OCI. It's a good idea to prepare yourself ahead of time.

Did you interview anywhere over the summer? Wondering if firms in my 2ndary market are going to expect me to do this.

[rayiner]

Yes, and the people in that demographic tend to be top 1/3 but I've talked to a shitton of top 1/3 people. Like I said, I am MOAR interested in median and that is harder to get data points on.

Here at NU there seems to be a big drop-off after top 1/3. The better firms with the big summer classes will set their cut-off at 3.5 or so. People above that have done really well (I know several non-LR people with 10+ callbacks) while people below that have struggled to get 3.

So back to the OP, if by "top 1/3" he really means "4 Hs" when firms have decided that top 1/3 is actually 5 Hs, then 4 callbacks is probably entirely consistent with that you're seeing at the rest of the non-CCN T14 (modulo maybe Penn b/c of the NYC pipeline).