OCI/EIP redo possible? Forum

[Rule23andMe]

Apply broadly and then once you get through the process and get an offer you can make that call. SEC would be as an great option as any I think. What did you do your 1L summer?

The specific job might be a bit too much information to post on the internet, but it was related to corporate and litigation work. Not in DC. I am a bit stuck on what else I should apply to now other than the financial regulatory agencies. My career services office said it doesn't matter what I do for 3L recruiting "as long as it involves research and writing" but I find that hard to believe.

If you can swing an agency job for 2L summer, why not do that immediately post-grad too? Gets you to DC and you'll easily be able to exit to a firm job after a few years if that's your goal (among the many other good reasons to go into gov!).
Suppose that's a personal decision but would be my plan A in your shoes (plan B being do gov for 2L summer then 3L recruiting, plan C being the MBA route if you don't get a 2L gov gig)

I would love to do this but government is extremely competitive for entry-level hires and my perception was that getting an agency job for 2L summer (even somewhere with honors programs like CFPB, SEC, DOJ) is unlikely to lead to an entry-level position. Unfortunately I would have to apply to dual degree programs in the coming months, so it can't really be a fallback in that way.

Fair enough - indeed it's competitive, but if you can get it for 2L summer, no reason you wouldn't be competitive for an entry-level/return offer too (not sure how many return offers CFPB/SEC gives but imagine they give at least some). Worth putting all your effort into those for now, in my view. Noted on the unfortunate timing though. Best of luck.

[Anonymous User]

Apply broadly and then once you get through the process and get an offer you can make that call. SEC would be as an great option as any I think. What did you do your 1L summer?

The specific job might be a bit too much information to post on the internet, but it was related to corporate and litigation work. Not in DC. I am a bit stuck on what else I should apply to now other than the financial regulatory agencies. My career services office said it doesn't matter what I do for 3L recruiting "as long as it involves research and writing" but I find that hard to believe.

If you can swing an agency job for 2L summer, why not do that immediately post-grad too? Gets you to DC and you'll easily be able to exit to a firm job after a few years if that's your goal (among the many other good reasons to go into gov!).
Suppose that's a personal decision but would be my plan A in your shoes (plan B being do gov for 2L summer then 3L recruiting, plan C being the MBA route if you don't get a 2L gov gig)

I would love to do this but government is extremely competitive for entry-level hires and my perception was that getting an agency job for 2L summer (even somewhere with honors programs like CFPB, SEC, DOJ) is unlikely to lead to an entry-level position. Unfortunately I would have to apply to dual degree programs in the coming months, so it can't really be a fallback in that way.

Fair enough - indeed it's competitive, but if you can get it for 2L summer, no reason you wouldn't be competitive for an entry-level/return offer too (not sure how many return offers CFPB/SEC gives but imagine they give at least some). Worth putting all your effort into those for now, in my view. Noted on the unfortunate timing though. Best of luck.

The feds don’t really do return offers - at least, not the way that law firms do. You generally still have to apply through the honors programs, and while it is possible lock down a permanent job after your 2L summer, it’s not guaranteed nor should it really be expected the way you can expect it from firms.

That is, it’s a possibility, but I agree that it’s not a fallback and the timing doesn’t help.

[nealric]

Apply broadly and then once you get through the process and get an offer you can make that call. SEC would be as an great option as any I think. What did you do your 1L summer?

The specific job might be a bit too much information to post on the internet, but it was related to corporate and litigation work. Not in DC. I am a bit stuck on what else I should apply to now other than the financial regulatory agencies. My career services office said it doesn't matter what I do for 3L recruiting "as long as it involves research and writing" but I find that hard to believe.

If you can swing an agency job for 2L summer, why not do that immediately post-grad too? Gets you to DC and you'll easily be able to exit to a firm job after a few years if that's your goal (among the many other good reasons to go into gov!).
Suppose that's a personal decision but would be my plan A in your shoes (plan B being do gov for 2L summer then 3L recruiting, plan C being the MBA route if you don't get a 2L gov gig)

I would love to do this but government is extremely competitive for entry-level hires and my perception was that getting an agency job for 2L summer (even somewhere with honors programs like CFPB, SEC, DOJ) is unlikely to lead to an entry-level position. Unfortunately I would have to apply to dual degree programs in the coming months, so it can't really be a fallback in that way.

Fair enough - indeed it's competitive, but if you can get it for 2L summer, no reason you wouldn't be competitive for an entry-level/return offer too (not sure how many return offers CFPB/SEC gives but imagine they give at least some). Worth putting all your effort into those for now, in my view. Noted on the unfortunate timing though. Best of luck.

The feds don’t really do return offers - at least, not the way that law firms do. You generally still have to apply through the honors programs, and while it is possible lock down a permanent job after your 2L summer, it’s not guaranteed nor should it really be expected the way you can expect it from firms.

That is, it’s a possibility, but I agree that it’s not a fallback and the timing doesn’t help.

DOJ SLIP does do "funnel offers" (or at least they theoretically did when I did SLIP). But at least my year (great recession year when hiring was frozen), they didn't actually make any in my division. If you do get one, you still have to apply for DOJ Honors, but your application is flagged as an auto-accept (or at least that's how I was told it worked at the time).

[Anonymous User]

Apply broadly and then once you get through the process and get an offer you can make that call. SEC would be as an great option as any I think. What did you do your 1L summer?

The specific job might be a bit too much information to post on the internet, but it was related to corporate and litigation work. Not in DC. I am a bit stuck on what else I should apply to now other than the financial regulatory agencies. My career services office said it doesn't matter what I do for 3L recruiting "as long as it involves research and writing" but I find that hard to believe.

If you can swing an agency job for 2L summer, why not do that immediately post-grad too? Gets you to DC and you'll easily be able to exit to a firm job after a few years if that's your goal (among the many other good reasons to go into gov!).
Suppose that's a personal decision but would be my plan A in your shoes (plan B being do gov for 2L summer then 3L recruiting, plan C being the MBA route if you don't get a 2L gov gig)

I would love to do this but government is extremely competitive for entry-level hires and my perception was that getting an agency job for 2L summer (even somewhere with honors programs like CFPB, SEC, DOJ) is unlikely to lead to an entry-level position. Unfortunately I would have to apply to dual degree programs in the coming months, so it can't really be a fallback in that way.

Fair enough - indeed it's competitive, but if you can get it for 2L summer, no reason you wouldn't be competitive for an entry-level/return offer too (not sure how many return offers CFPB/SEC gives but imagine they give at least some). Worth putting all your effort into those for now, in my view. Noted on the unfortunate timing though. Best of luck.

The feds don’t really do return offers - at least, not the way that law firms do. You generally still have to apply through the honors programs, and while it is possible lock down a permanent job after your 2L summer, it’s not guaranteed nor should it really be expected the way you can expect it from firms.

That is, it’s a possibility, but I agree that it’s not a fallback and the timing doesn’t help.

DOJ SLIP does do "funnel offers" (or at least they theoretically did when I did SLIP). But at least my year (great recession year when hiring was frozen), they didn't actually make any in my division. If you do get one, you still have to apply for DOJ Honors, but your application is flagged as an auto-accept (or at least that's how I was told it worked at the time).

Yeah, I should have clarified that I was thinking in part of the funnel offers - they’re a thing that the feds can do, but they’re not something offered to everyone who does the summer program, or even everyone who did a good job (in contrast with firms, where you’re expected to get an offer unless you do a bad job).

[Anonymous User]

The specific job might be a bit too much information to post on the internet, but it was related to corporate and litigation work. Not in DC. I am a bit stuck on what else I should apply to now other than the financial regulatory agencies. My career services office said it doesn't matter what I do for 3L recruiting "as long as it involves research and writing" but I find that hard to believe.

If you can swing an agency job for 2L summer, why not do that immediately post-grad too? Gets you to DC and you'll easily be able to exit to a firm job after a few years if that's your goal (among the many other good reasons to go into gov!).
Suppose that's a personal decision but would be my plan A in your shoes (plan B being do gov for 2L summer then 3L recruiting, plan C being the MBA route if you don't get a 2L gov gig)

I would love to do this but government is extremely competitive for entry-level hires and my perception was that getting an agency job for 2L summer (even somewhere with honors programs like CFPB, SEC, DOJ) is unlikely to lead to an entry-level position. Unfortunately I would have to apply to dual degree programs in the coming months, so it can't really be a fallback in that way.

Fair enough - indeed it's competitive, but if you can get it for 2L summer, no reason you wouldn't be competitive for an entry-level/return offer too (not sure how many return offers CFPB/SEC gives but imagine they give at least some). Worth putting all your effort into those for now, in my view. Noted on the unfortunate timing though. Best of luck.

The feds don’t really do return offers - at least, not the way that law firms do. You generally still have to apply through the honors programs, and while it is possible lock down a permanent job after your 2L summer, it’s not guaranteed nor should it really be expected the way you can expect it from firms.

That is, it’s a possibility, but I agree that it’s not a fallback and the timing doesn’t help.

DOJ SLIP does do "funnel offers" (or at least they theoretically did when I did SLIP). But at least my year (great recession year when hiring was frozen), they didn't actually make any in my division. If you do get one, you still have to apply for DOJ Honors, but your application is flagged as an auto-accept (or at least that's how I was told it worked at the time).

Yeah, I should have clarified that I was thinking in part of the funnel offers - they’re a thing that the feds can do, but they’re not something offered to everyone who does the summer program, or even everyone who did a good job (in contrast with firms, where you’re expected to get an offer unless you do a bad job).

Do agencies outside FTC/DOJ do this?