Doctor v. Esquire Forum

[Anonymous User]

Okay bro. Wasn’t trying to say it’s often a good idea. Pointing out you are in fact a doctor and can call yourself it. I’m sure it comes in handy sometimes and no one will call you an ass hat. Sorry for catching you on a bad day

No what I (and everyone else ITT) am telling you is it will literally never come in handy. Not sometimes, not ever. You just sound like a noob by disagreeing and trying to make fetch happen.

If you’re in hospital defense it’d help with jurors unfamiliar with professional norms

No judge is going to refer to you as (or let you refer to yourself as) Dr. Troll in front of a jury.

(I have to admit I admire trolls’ ability to find exactly the most annoying opinions.)

“To the fine people of the jury, take it from me, a doctor. I am a doctor. And as a doctor in the profession, I can assure you Dr Smith did not act negligently when he prescribed silicone for breast cancer”

[hangtime813]

To help answer OPs question re "Esquire" or "Esq.", imo most lawyers never use it in any correspondence except in formal letters (cease and desist, demand letters, etc.) or sometimes in pleadings, especially if your firm is old/filled with dinosaurs.

[Anonymous User]

If you’re in hospital defense it’d help with jurors unfamiliar with professional norms

I think you're the only one unfamiliar with professional norms here.

[aspiring0L]

To help answer OPs question re "Esquire" or "Esq.", imo most lawyers never use it in any correspondence except in formal letters (cease and desist, demand letters, etc.) or sometimes in pleadings, especially if your firm is old/filled with dinosaurs.

Thanks. Someone is finally helpful and not an “ass hat” (their term, not mine).

[aspiring0L]

If you’re in hospital defense it’d help with jurors unfamiliar with professional norms

I think you're the only one unfamiliar with professional norms here.

Duh. That’s why I asked my questions in the initial post. “No one in a profession with millions of members ever refers to themselves as doctor despite the ABA permitting it” isn’t quite accurate or satisfactory an answer

[RedNewJersey]

On the off-chance this is not a troll post ...

There seems to be an undercurrent to the question of "where could a lawyer get away with calling himself a Dr."? The point of this, I take it, is because "Dr." sounds cool and could sometimes be useful, so the OP wonders what the overlap is of when you can technically say it and it would sound cool / be useful.

The problem, really, is that it's only "technically" allowed if it is not misleading--and it only sounds cool (or is useful) when people are misled, so it's not technically allowed in those circumstances almost by definition.

To me, it's a bit like a janitor who is also the Company Evacuation Ombudsman making a name tag for himself that says "CEO." Is it "technically" right? I ... guess? But it's either misleading or a punchline (and neither are good looks for attorneys).

[aspiring0L]

On the off-chance this is not a troll post ...

There seems to be an undercurrent to the question of "where could a lawyer get away with calling himself a Dr."? The point of this, I take it, is because "Dr." sounds cool and could sometimes be useful, so the OP wonders what the overlap is of when you can technically say it and it would sound cool / be useful.

The problem, really, is that it's only "technically" allowed if it is not misleading--and it only sounds cool (or is useful) when people are misled, so it's not technically allowed in those circumstances almost by definition.

To me, it's a bit like a janitor who is also the Company Evacuation Ombudsman making a name tag for himself that says "CEO." Is it "technically" right? I ... guess? But it's either misleading or a punchline (and neither are good looks for attorneys).

“Is there a doctor onboard this flight?”
“Yes”
(Does not proceed to resuscitate)

Looks cool to me.

[Anonymous User]

If you’re in hospital defense it’d help with jurors unfamiliar with professional norms

I think you're the only one unfamiliar with professional norms here.

Duh. That’s why I asked my questions in the initial post. “No one in a profession with millions of members ever refers to themselves as doctor despite the ABA permitting it” isn’t quite accurate or satisfactory an answer

Look, you came here asking a question, because you didn't know. That's OK! But you're unwilling to learn and argumentative. We're telling you that it's not done. Accept that.

[Anonymous User]

If you’re in hospital defense it’d help with jurors unfamiliar with professional norms

I think you're the only one unfamiliar with professional norms here.

Duh. That’s why I asked my questions in the initial post. “No one in a profession with millions of members ever refers to themselves as doctor despite the ABA permitting it” isn’t quite accurate or satisfactory an answer

Look, you came here asking a question, because you didn't know. That's OK! But you're unwilling to learn and argumentative. We're telling you that it's not done. Accept that.

This x1000. This thread is basically everyone telling you the only way it would "look cool" (your words) is by misleading people, and you responding without explanation that it would nonetheless "look cool." I'm honestly curious about what's so unsatisfactory about "no one does it" and "it won't get you a cent of credit anywhere even if you can do it"?

[nixy]

If you’re in hospital defense it’d help with jurors unfamiliar with professional norms

I think you're the only one unfamiliar with professional norms here.

Duh. That’s why I asked my questions in the initial post. “No one in a profession with millions of members ever refers to themselves as doctor despite the ABA permitting it” isn’t quite accurate or satisfactory an answer

How is it inaccurate? Do you have examples of JDs actually using the title Dr. in a professional context (apart from the one ABA Journal column)?

[aspiring0L]

If you’re in hospital defense it’d help with jurors unfamiliar with professional norms

I think you're the only one unfamiliar with professional norms here.

Duh. That’s why I asked my questions in the initial post. “No one in a profession with millions of members ever refers to themselves as doctor despite the ABA permitting it” isn’t quite accurate or satisfactory an answer

Look, you came here asking a question, because you didn't know. That's OK! But you're unwilling to learn and argumentative. We're telling you that it's not done. Accept that.

Your answer (“no attorneys out of millions uses their ABA granted right”) isn’t believable.

[aspiring0L]

If you’re in hospital defense it’d help with jurors unfamiliar with professional norms

I think you're the only one unfamiliar with professional norms here.

Duh. That’s why I asked my questions in the initial post. “No one in a profession with millions of members ever refers to themselves as doctor despite the ABA permitting it” isn’t quite accurate or satisfactory an answer

Look, you came here asking a question, because you didn't know. That's OK! But you're unwilling to learn and argumentative. We're telling you that it's not done. Accept that.

This x1000. This thread is basically everyone telling you the only way it would "look cool" (your words) is by misleading people, and you responding without explanation that it would nonetheless "look cool." I'm honestly curious about what's so unsatisfactory about "no one does it" and "it won't get you a cent of credit anywhere even if you can do it"?

Not believable that millions don’t do it without a single counter example. And there’s enough of a Jerry springer guest-type crowd who’d Ooohhh and aahhhh at your Dr honorific even if they knew it wasn’t medical.

[barre777]

Wasn't there a very recent controversy about Dr Jill Biden?

Or am I listening to the Ben Shapiro podcast too much.

[aspiring0L]

If you’re in hospital defense it’d help with jurors unfamiliar with professional norms

I think you're the only one unfamiliar with professional norms here.

Duh. That’s why I asked my questions in the initial post. “No one in a profession with millions of members ever refers to themselves as doctor despite the ABA permitting it” isn’t quite accurate or satisfactory an answer

How is it inaccurate? Do you have examples of JDs actually using the title Dr. in a professional context (apart from the one ABA Journal column)?

https://abovethelaw.com/2011/11/any-law ... the-mouth/

https://abovethelaw.com/2010/06/a-juris ... -movement/

Boom. A whole Facebook group of lawyers going by doctors

[aspiring0L]

Wasn't there a very recent controversy about Dr Jill Biden?

Or am I listening to the Ben Shapiro podcast too much.

There was. A JD from western new England is more rigorous than her steaming pile of dog excrement of a “doctorate”

[Anonymous User]

If you’re in hospital defense it’d help with jurors unfamiliar with professional norms

I think you're the only one unfamiliar with professional norms here.

Duh. That’s why I asked my questions in the initial post. “No one in a profession with millions of members ever refers to themselves as doctor despite the ABA permitting it” isn’t quite accurate or satisfactory an answer

How is it inaccurate? Do you have examples of JDs actually using the title Dr. in a professional context (apart from the one ABA Journal column)?

https://abovethelaw.com/2011/11/any-law ... the-mouth/

https://abovethelaw.com/2010/06/a-juris ... -movement/

Boom. A whole Facebook group of lawyers going by doctors

You're still missing the point here, and it's really not worth any of our time anymore. Sure, there are 113 of people who deserve to be punched in the mouth who call themselves doctor-lawyers. If that will make you happy, feel free to join them. But I honestly can't see how any reasonable person would read these articles and think this is something worth doing. If your question is do any people do this, then the answer is yes. And they are all ass hats.

[Sackboy]

I don't have Facebook anymore, because I'm not a boomer, but it wouldn't surprise me if that 113 person page is like a 2008 era page that people liked as a meme. There used to be a zillion pages named silly things that you'd like as an interest. Also, lol @ the idea of going to the place with the most concentrated brain rot to get the pulse on a matter.

I practice in a major metro and have NEVER seen this. Unless you're mentally hunhinged, it's not happening. Move on and go buy an MCAT prep book. Usually 0Ls are naive not downright stupid. This one was tiring.

[Anonymous User]

I am only an 0L so asking any attorneys willing to help with this question. Do any lawyers go by "Doctor" given the degree is juris doctor and it qualifies graduates to teach law (to my understanding most law professors have a JD to teach with no other advanced credential)? If so, when and in what context do they do this? When is it more appropriate to use esquire? And wouldn't "Dr." give more credibility and standing outside of a legal context? Thanks for the insight.

Let's circle back to this - if they do it, they do it in the context of being an ass hat.

[Anonymous User]

Wasn't there a very recent controversy about Dr Jill Biden?

Or am I listening to the Ben Shapiro podcast too much.

She has a doctorate in education which is a joke of a degree (takes 2 years weekends only) but it's standard for people in education like principals or cc teachers to go by Dr with a DEd. Conservatives decided to troll; liberals called them sexists, everyone had a fun news cycle playing their traditional roles.

[lawlzschool]

my degree says doctor of laws so when i get drunk i occasionally like to be annoying/silly by telling people to "trust me because im a doctor, a doctor of LAWS" but otherwise if you want people to call you doctor go to med or vet school. if i got an email from a lawyer who signed off as doctor i would screenshot it and send it to a large number of my coworkers to let them know that we're saving lives now apparently. anyway 6.5/10 troll

[aspiring0L]

Wasn't there a very recent controversy about Dr Jill Biden?

Or am I listening to the Ben Shapiro podcast too much.

She has a doctorate in education which is a joke of a degree (takes 2 years weekends only) but it's standard for people in education like principals or cc teachers to go by Dr with a DEd. Conservatives decided to troll; liberals called them sexists, everyone had a fun news cycle playing their traditional roles.

Only an ass hat would say they are a doctor with that credential, a juris DOCTOR is way more prestigious.

[aspiring0L]

my degree says doctor of laws so when i get drunk i occasionally like to be annoying/silly by telling people to "trust me because im a doctor, a doctor of LAWS" but otherwise if you want people to call you doctor go to med or vet school. if i got an email from a lawyer who signed off as doctor i would screenshot it and send it to a large number of my coworkers to let them know that we're saving lives now apparently. anyway 6.5/10 troll

All attention is good attention for business development.

[aspiring0L]

I don't have Facebook anymore, because I'm not a boomer, but it wouldn't surprise me if that 113 person page is like a 2008 era page that people liked as a meme. There used to be a zillion pages named silly things that you'd like as an interest. Also, lol @ the idea of going to the place with the most concentrated brain rot to get the pulse on a matter.

I practice in a major metro and have NEVER seen this. Unless you're mentally hunhinged, it's not happening. Move on and go buy an MCAT prep book. Usually 0Ls are naive not downright stupid. This one was tiring.

Facebook being the social media platform with the most concentrated brain rot is not exactly obvious or incontestable. Many contenders.

Why get an MCAT when you can take the shortcut to becoming a Doctor, the Juris Doctor? No pre-reqs, non-existent admissions standards, and only three years with no resdidency.

[aspiring0L]

I am only an 0L so asking any attorneys willing to help with this question. Do any lawyers go by "Doctor" given the degree is juris doctor and it qualifies graduates to teach law (to my understanding most law professors have a JD to teach with no other advanced credential)? If so, when and in what context do they do this? When is it more appropriate to use esquire? And wouldn't "Dr." give more credibility and standing outside of a legal context? Thanks for the insight.

Let's circle back to this - if they do it, they do it in the context of being an ass hat.

There are many successful ass hats, many are successful because they are, in fact, ass hats.

[aspiring0L]

If you’re in hospital defense it’d help with jurors unfamiliar with professional norms

I think you're the only one unfamiliar with professional norms here.

Duh. That’s why I asked my questions in the initial post. “No one in a profession with millions of members ever refers to themselves as doctor despite the ABA permitting it” isn’t quite accurate or satisfactory an answer

How is it inaccurate? Do you have examples of JDs actually using the title Dr. in a professional context (apart from the one ABA Journal column)?

https://abovethelaw.com/2011/11/any-law ... the-mouth/

https://abovethelaw.com/2010/06/a-juris ... -movement/

Boom. A whole Facebook group of lawyers going by doctors

You're still missing the point here, and it's really not worth any of our time anymore. Sure, there are 113 of people who deserve to be punched in the mouth who call themselves doctor-lawyers. If that will make you happy, feel free to join them. But I honestly can't see how any reasonable person would read these articles and think this is something worth doing. If your question is do any people do this, then the answer is yes. And they are all ass hats.

Awesome, so I was right (there are lawyers who call themselves Doctors, as befitting their education and background) and the others here were wrong ("no lawyers without an MD or PhD calls him or herself a Doctor"). You sound pretty angry with this punching business, I would consider lowering your blood pressure.