Are NY Offers Really Done? Forum

[Anonymous User]

Milbank created an event schedule (starting yesterday) called ‘Offer Week’ -which is a week for people with offers to learn more about the firm. One event is reserved to meeting the summer 2021 class. Take this how you will.

[Anonymous User]

But what has to be considered is the reward. It costs $0 and zero cents to take a half hour out of your day each day and send out a few apps. In turn, you could land a big law job.

Against the reward is the purported risk of being boxed out of OCI, which my OCS stated it would do to students who applied early to OCI firms. Regardless of whether OCS would follow through on that threat, I do not think a system that essentially forces students to act as if their schools are lying is a fair one to those not in the know.

Ya this is entirely the problem. You can say people who didn't do pre-OCI are naive or whatever but the fact is so many school career offices explicitly say they will enforce this OCI policy. It puts students in a totally unfair position. Not to mention the offices do this while then misreading markets.

Asking 2Ls, 3Ls, and alums would have told you if this threat was credible or not. A girl at my school tagged our OCS dean in her post celebrating her pre-OCI offer. No one should take it seriously.

I just wanted to take a quick break from the doom-and-gloom and highlight how funny & absurd this is.

(But yeah, summer class is almost full at my V15. Probably can count the # of open spots on one hand at this point. Of course, we will probably revisit our "on hold" list & send out a small batch of offers in a couple of weeks once we have a sense of how many have officially accepted/declined offers.)

[Anonymous User]

But what has to be considered is the reward. It costs $0 and zero cents to take a half hour out of your day each day and send out a few apps. In turn, you could land a big law job.

Against the reward is the purported risk of being boxed out of OCI, which my OCS stated it would do to students who applied early to OCI firms. Regardless of whether OCS would follow through on that threat, I do not think a system that essentially forces students to act as if their schools are lying is a fair one to those not in the know.

Ya this is entirely the problem. You can say people who didn't do pre-OCI are naive or whatever but the fact is so many school career offices explicitly say they will enforce this OCI policy. It puts students in a totally unfair position. Not to mention the offices do this while then misreading markets.

Kind of crazy, I go to a T20 and our career services is always telling us to apply directly and to apply early and that OCI is just one route, but not the only route to getting a job. Just had no idea there were so many schools saying the opposite

[Anonymous User]

But what has to be considered is the reward. It costs $0 and zero cents to take a half hour out of your day each day and send out a few apps. In turn, you could land a big law job.

Against the reward is the purported risk of being boxed out of OCI, which my OCS stated it would do to students who applied early to OCI firms. Regardless of whether OCS would follow through on that threat, I do not think a system that essentially forces students to act as if their schools are lying is a fair one to those not in the know.

Ya this is entirely the problem. You can say people who didn't do pre-OCI are naive or whatever but the fact is so many school career offices explicitly say they will enforce this OCI policy. It puts students in a totally unfair position. Not to mention the offices do this while then misreading markets.

Kind of crazy, I go to a T20 and our career services is always telling us to apply directly and to apply early and that OCI is just one route, but not the only route to getting a job. Just had no idea there were so many schools saying the opposite

I know most, if not all, of the T6 schools tell their students not to apply early, threatening to block them from participating in OCI (which is toothless).

[Anonymous User]

OP here - though this topic is for everyone, certainly not just my sanity. A quick note of hope - I'm at a t20 that had OCI in the third week of Jan, had a callback with a v20 firm (that's seemed to be moving slowly) Wednesday, and got an offer (my first) today. Extremely stoked but only sharing to let everyone know that hope is not all gone.

[Anonymous User]

OP here - though this topic is for everyone, certainly not just my sanity. A quick note of hope - I'm at a t20 that had OCI in the third week of Jan, had a callback with a v20 firm (that's seemed to be moving slowly) Wednesday, and got an offer (my first) today. Extremely stoked but only sharing to let everyone know that hope is not all gone.

Backing this up, thought I was doomed until I got an offer at the 11th hour.

[Anonymous User]

I'm a Weil associate and while we're still doing some callbacks, the recruiting team emails indicate that we're winding down and are almost done with everything.

[Anonymous User]

Can confirm. Read quimbee, borrowed outlines, paid attention in classes only on important stuff, crammed the fuck out of last semester and gamed the exams.

Got a 3.7 last semester at a lower tier T14 school.

I think pre OCI encapsulates the tension between idealistic rule following and pragmatic shortcuts. This shows up throughout law school.

Sure, the “correct” way to study law is to brief every case, take careful notes, build a comprehensive outline, etc. That will work for some students, but a lot of other students would be better off reading Quimbee, borrowing outlines, cramming, and focusing disproportionately more on gaming the exam vs. learning the law.

Similarly, OCI is the “correct” way to do biglaw recruiting. But a fair number of students would be better served ignoring the rules and playing the pre OCI game.

[Anonymous User]

Everyone who is saying classes are full need to at least preface their statements with some sort of authority, such as "I am a hiring partner," "I am a recruiter," etc.

Alright, I'll say it. I'm involved with recruiting efforts at my V10 firm (not officially on the committee but do tons of interviews and meet with the committee regularly). Our 2021 summer class is pretty much full. There are a few schools who, VERY foolishly, did not schedule OCI until this week or even next week, and my heart goes out to any of those students who haven't already secured a callback via pre-OCI efforts.

How much say to the schools have over when they schedule their OCIs?

[Anonymous User]

Out of curiosity, which schools are still doing OCIs?

[Anonymous User]

Out of curiosity, which schools are still doing OCIs?

It's basically over - two job fairs left I think (based on Covington's recruiting schedule found here: https://www.cov.com/en/careers/lawyers/ ... g-calendar)

[Anonymous User]

Bumping this. Do we think classes are largely full by now?

I know Cravath, Skadden, Debeoivse, and Latham have held offeree events already--does that signal the end for the most part?

[Anonymous User]

S&C had an offer event last week

[Anonymous User]

K&E held an offer event last week and another one this week.

[Anonymous User]

Bumping this. Do we think classes are largely full by now?

I know Cravath, Skadden, Debeoivse, and Latham have held offeree events already--does that signal the end for the most part?

wait what?? latham has had offeree event already??? I got an offer but was not invited wtf

[Anonymous User]

STB and Paul Weiss held offeree events this week

[Anonymous User]

There’s a distinction to be drawn here between offeree events (everyone’s invited, incl. people who’ve accepted and people who haven’t yet accepted) versus summer class events (bringing together people who’ve accepted). If I’m thinking of the same Paul Weiss events as the previous anon, those were definitely pitched as the former type of event rather than the latter...

I wouldn’t interpret offeree events as a signal that classes are full, right? Just means that they’ve hit critical mass and are pitching candidates on a rolling basis.

[Anonymous User]

There’s a distinction to be drawn here between offeree events (everyone’s invited, incl. people who’ve accepted and people who haven’t yet accepted) versus summer class events (bringing together people who’ve accepted). If I’m thinking of the same Paul Weiss events as the previous anon, those were definitely pitched as the former type of event rather than the latter...

I wouldn’t interpret offeree events as a signal that classes are full, right? Just means that they’ve hit critical mass and are pitching candidates on a rolling basis.

I agree–the PW and Debevoise event I went to seem to be of a selling session

[Anonymous User]

Bumping this. Do we think classes are largely full by now?

I know Cravath, Skadden, Debeoivse, and Latham have held offeree events already--does that signal the end for the most part?

wait what?? latham has had offeree event already??? I got an offer but was not invited wtf

I was not invited either for latham...

[Anonymous User]

Out of curiosity, which schools are still doing OCIs?

Emory. They have a new career center director who MASSIVELY fucked up by scheduling OCI so late (I think it's this week and next week). Pre-COVID they had OCI in July, which was pretty much the only way they got what few biglaw jobs they had

[Anonymous User]

Bumping this. Do we think classes are largely full by now?

I know Cravath, Skadden, Debeoivse, and Latham have held offeree events already--does that signal the end for the most part?

wait what?? latham has had offeree event already??? I got an offer but was not invited wtf

I was not invited either for latham...

Don't think this is true for Latham, or at least not for the entire group (maybe a sub-group event)