My firm did not give return offer to a summer associate, should I be worried. Forum

[Dr_OIT]

I heard that the Cadwalader no offer was for something really bad. Some kid lounged around his office in his boxers a bunch of times over the course of the summer, with a female office mate. Any word on if this is true and why the Skadden no offers?

Can confirm as a Cadwalader summer this summer that this is essentially what occurred amongst other things. I don't want to get into details but also don't want others to assume that we’re prone to giving less than 100% offers. Believe me he would have been fired at any other firm for the things he did.

Fired even as a summer? Ouch

I heard the boxers story too

[clshopeful]

I’ve never personally worked with this summer, but he seems to be a normal human being. I have friends who worked directly with the summer, and they agree that he is a nice person. The summer didn’t jump into the hudson river or made any discriminatory comments or did anything like that. I’m not sure if he is the only summer who didn’t get an offer, but I’ve started to worry about my job. Is my firm in some kind of financial trouble?

Some background, my firm is a v10 big law, the summer is a T6 rising 3L.

Skadden NY. And I hear it was to one of their verrrry few POC summers, as well. Yikes.

I know a POC who scored lower 150s on the LSAT, went to a normal-ranked state college, and was admitted at a T6. Didn't do well in law school, got a summer position, and was no offered for poor work. You can't say "yikes" just because they are POC; if they have very poor work product, the firm should not be obligated to hire them.

[basketofbread]

Please give details, we want to laugh. Is he the only summer who got no-offered?

[Anonymous User]

I've heard things from past Skadden summers who were POC about associates making racist/racially insensitive comments, so I've gotten the impression it's not the most friendly environment.

[Shinra Holdings, LP]

I heard that the Cadwalader no offer was for something really bad. Some kid lounged around his office in his boxers a bunch of times over the course of the summer, with a female office mate. Any word on if this is true and why the Skadden no offers?

Can confirm as a Cadwalader summer this summer that this is essentially what occurred amongst other things. I don't want to get into details but also don't want others to assume that we’re prone to giving less than 100% offers. Believe me he would have been fired at any other firm for the things he did.

He could make one last ditch effort to claim he suffers from severe hyperhydrosis and that the firm is discriminating against him on the basis of the abnormality.

[Anonymous User]

Has this summer been tougher than past summers as far as SAs being fired/no-offered? Just finished up my SA and have heard of a firing at Baker Botts Houston, potential firing at a V10 in Chicago (unsure on details there), and then the Cad/Skadden above. What’s going on?

[cookiejar1]

I heard that the Cadwalader no offer was for something really bad. Some kid lounged around his office in his boxers a bunch of times over the course of the summer, with a female office mate. Any word on if this is true and why the Skadden no offers?

Can confirm as a Cadwalader summer this summer that this is essentially what occurred amongst other things. I don't want to get into details but also don't want others to assume that we’re prone to giving less than 100% offers. Believe me he would have been fired at any other firm for the things he did.

To be fair, de Blasio did tell all the law firms to set the thermostat to 78 degrees that one very hot day and he probably wasn’t expecting to be working in literal sweatshop conditions.

[Anonymous User]

To be fair, de Blasio did tell all the law firms to set the thermostat to 78 degrees that one very hot day and he probably wasn’t expecting to be working in literal sweatshop conditions.

At Cadwalader we’re used to it.

[Elston Gunn]

I’ve never personally worked with this summer, but he seems to be a normal human being. I have friends who worked directly with the summer, and they agree that he is a nice person. The summer didn’t jump into the hudson river or made any discriminatory comments or did anything like that. I’m not sure if he is the only summer who didn’t get an offer, but I’ve started to worry about my job. Is my firm in some kind of financial trouble?

Some background, my firm is a v10 big law, the summer is a T6 rising 3L.

Skadden NY. And I hear it was to one of their verrrry few POC summers, as well. Yikes.

I know a POC who scored lower 150s on the LSAT, went to a normal-ranked state college, and was admitted at a T6. Didn't do well in law school, got a summer position, and was no offered for poor work. You can't say "yikes" just because they are POC; if they have very poor work product, the firm should not be obligated to hire them.

This is a terrible post, but a brave one considering all the identifying information you included that justified posting it anonymously.

[lnsl123]

I’ve never personally worked with this summer, but he seems to be a normal human being. I have friends who worked directly with the summer, and they agree that he is a nice person. The summer didn’t jump into the hudson river or made any discriminatory comments or did anything like that. I’m not sure if he is the only summer who didn’t get an offer, but I’ve started to worry about my job. Is my firm in some kind of financial trouble?

Some background, my firm is a v10 big law, the summer is a T6 rising 3L.

Skadden NY. And I hear it was to one of their verrrry few POC summers, as well. Yikes.

I know a POC who scored lower 150s on the LSAT, went to a normal-ranked state college, and was admitted at a T6. Didn't do well in law school, got a summer position, and was no offered for poor work. You can't say "yikes" just because they are POC; if they have very poor work product, the firm should not be obligated to hire them.

Here's a lesson kids. Don't tell anyone in the legal profession or a peer at law school anything you wouldn't want widely known. I know exactly who you are talking about above, and I imagine their situation is far more known than they would be comfortable with. Of course that's their fault, but still, a lesson.

[Dr_OIT]

I’ve never personally worked with this summer, but he seems to be a normal human being. I have friends who worked directly with the summer, and they agree that he is a nice person. The summer didn’t jump into the hudson river or made any discriminatory comments or did anything like that. I’m not sure if he is the only summer who didn’t get an offer, but I’ve started to worry about my job. Is my firm in some kind of financial trouble?

Some background, my firm is a v10 big law, the summer is a T6 rising 3L.

Skadden NY. And I hear it was to one of their verrrry few POC summers, as well. Yikes.

I know a POC who scored lower 150s on the LSAT, went to a normal-ranked state college, and was admitted at a T6. Didn't do well in law school, got a summer position, and was no offered for poor work. You can't say "yikes" just because they are POC; if they have very poor work product, the firm should not be obligated to hire them.

Here's a lesson kids. Don't tell anyone in the legal profession or a peer at law school anything you wouldn't want widely known. I know exactly who you are talking about above, and I imagine their situation is far more known than they would be comfortable with. Of course that's their fault, but still, a lesson.

Are the anons above talking about the same person?

[Tenzen]

I’ve never personally worked with this summer, but he seems to be a normal human being. I have friends who worked directly with the summer, and they agree that he is a nice person. The summer didn’t jump into the hudson river or made any discriminatory comments or did anything like that. I’m not sure if he is the only summer who didn’t get an offer, but I’ve started to worry about my job. Is my firm in some kind of financial trouble?

Some background, my firm is a v10 big law, the summer is a T6 rising 3L.

Skadden NY. And I hear it was to one of their verrrry few POC summers, as well. Yikes.

I know a POC who scored lower 150s on the LSAT, went to a normal-ranked state college, and was admitted at a T6. Didn't do well in law school, got a summer position, and was no offered for poor work. You can't say "yikes" just because they are POC; if they have very poor work product, the firm should not be obligated to hire them.

Here's a lesson kids. Don't tell anyone in the legal profession or a peer at law school anything you wouldn't want widely known. I know exactly who you are talking about above, and I imagine their situation is far more known than they would be comfortable with. Of course that's their fault, but still, a lesson.

(emphasis added)

Are the anons above talking about the same person?

Gee, Bert. Hard to say.

[Anonymous User]

Has this summer been tougher than past summers as far as SAs being fired/no-offered? Just finished up my SA and have heard of a firing at Baker Botts Houston, potential firing at a V10 in Chicago (unsure on details there), and then the Cad/Skadden above. What’s going on?

Can speak to the BB firing--the person got blackout drunk and explicitly hit on multiple married members of the firm (both lawyers and recruiters). So I wouldn't say it was about the summer being tougher this year.