HLS EIP 2019 Forum

[Pneumonia]

Tag. Happy to answer Texas questions if anyone has them, and to a lesser extent, D.C.

[Anonymous User]

7H Chi Anon above. I only have 13 chicago firms on my bidlist right now and nothing else. OCS said I didn't need another market (and Chicago is particularly sensitive to people bidding elsewhere) so am I stupid to just bid these? Chi isn't that competitive so I should get all my screeners right?

I am open (but not enthusiastic) about working in DC but never NYC. I hate it there. But DC is so competitive that maybe it's a bad backup.

1. Jenner Chi
2. Sidley Chi
3. K&E Chi
4. Winston Chi
5. Latham Chi
6. Skadden Chi
7. Mayer Chi
8. Baker McKenzie Chi
9. Katten Chi
10. McDermott Chi
11. White and Case Chi
12. Jones Day Chi
13. Perkins Coie Chi

Here’s some general advice. You need a summer job. I’m sure you can stand one summer in NYC if you have to do so. After you do well as a summer, you can always move markets. If you don’t have a summer associate job, you will struggle. Chicago is a smaller market and there is competition from other top schools, please don’t make the mistake of assuming a job.

I’m assuming you haven’t done any pre OCI mailing and interviewing?

Anyway, you need to use all your bid slots and interview with firms. This is the only time that firms will be coming to you, with many open spots and looking to hire. Take full advantage of your opportunity to interview and learn more about firms.

Chi Anon. I've been talking to chi firms, doing informational interviews and receptions, but none have mentioned pre oci interviewing or offers. I brought it up with one of the bigger firms (one of k&e, Sidley, Winston) and they basically shot me down and told me they follow OCSs rules about not doing pre oci. That was a few weeks ago and I get the sense that that's the general attitude toward pre oci here.

Should I really be more aggressive and email some more with resume/transcript and ask for an early interview? Also, is it really that easy to switch locations after an SA? I could handle a summer in NYC as long as I could be sure I wouldn't have to live there permanently.

I know for a fact that Latham isn't following the OCS rules on pre-OCI in Houston because I'm interviewing a Harvard kid next week. I also know we're giving out a number of bids pre-OCI both in Houston and in LA based on people I talk to. I would reach out to Latham Chi now if you're open to interviewing immediately

[Anonymous User]

Anyone has any clue if the HLR results will come out this week?

[Anonymous User]

7H/3P, am I risking striking out by going all in on DC? OCS told me it was fine.

[wwwcol]

7H/3P, am I risking striking out by going all in on DC? OCS told me it was fine.

yes. Throw in a NYC bid with a big class that will auto offer 7H (STB, DPW, S&C, etc) just to be safe

[Anonymous User]

Slightly obnoxious question but is there such a thing as yield protection for EIP? E.g. does a 6/7H candidate have a better shot at Cleary than at, say, Kramer Levin?

[Anonymous User]

Slightly obnoxious question but is there such a thing as yield protection for EIP? E.g. does a 6/7H candidate have a better shot at Cleary than at, say, Kramer Levin?

Yes, there is absolutely (some degree of) yield protection at EIP, even among some in the V10-V20 range.

[Anonymous User]

Are 9 & 10 too low on the bidlist for DPW and Cravath respectively?

[Anonymous User]

Are 9 & 10 too low on the bidlist for DPW and Cravath respectively?

Hard to say for sure, but I think it might be for Cravath, less so for DPW. DPW's large enough that you can probably walk into their hospitality suite, chat them up, mention you'd love to interview but couldn't get a bid, and they'll try to squeeze you in. I know a bunch of people did this for various large firms back when I did EIP. The firms have resigned themselves to an unpleasant few days but know it's important and want to get out of there having maximized the time sink.

[Anonymous User]

Are 9 & 10 too low on the bidlist for DPW and Cravath respectively?

Hard to say for sure, but I think it might be for Cravath, less so for DPW. DPW's large enough that you can probably walk into their hospitality suite, chat them up, mention you'd love to interview but couldn't get a bid, and they'll try to squeeze you in. I know a bunch of people did this for various large firms back when I did EIP. The firms have resigned themselves to an unpleasant few days but know it's important and want to get out of there having maximized the time sink.

On that note, would a request for an interview at Cravath (or other selective firms besides DPW) usually not be granted given very good grades (like more DSs than Ps)?

[Dcc617]

Are 9 & 10 too low on the bidlist for DPW and Cravath respectively?

Hard to say for sure, but I think it might be for Cravath, less so for DPW. DPW's large enough that you can probably walk into their hospitality suite, chat them up, mention you'd love to interview but couldn't get a bid, and they'll try to squeeze you in. I know a bunch of people did this for various large firms back when I did EIP. The firms have resigned themselves to an unpleasant few days but know it's important and want to get out of there having maximized the time sink.

On that note, would a request for an interview at Cravath (or other selective firms besides DPW) usually not be granted given very good grades (like more DSs than Ps)?

My understanding is that there are like 2 firms where you need really good grades, and Cravath is not one of them. And "really good grades" means like 5 or 6 Hs (I heard the floor for Wachtell is 5 Hs). Decent grades give you a good chance at Cravath. Also, don't fixate on Cravath (or firms like it) because it's "prestigious".

[Anonymous User]

Are 9 & 10 too low on the bidlist for DPW and Cravath respectively?

Hard to say for sure, but I think it might be for Cravath, less so for DPW. DPW's large enough that you can probably walk into their hospitality suite, chat them up, mention you'd love to interview but couldn't get a bid, and they'll try to squeeze you in. I know a bunch of people did this for various large firms back when I did EIP. The firms have resigned themselves to an unpleasant few days but know it's important and want to get out of there having maximized the time sink.

On that note, would a request for an interview at Cravath (or other selective firms besides DPW) usually not be granted given very good grades (like more DSs than Ps)?

My understanding is that there are like 2 firms where you need really good grades, and Cravath is not one of them. And "really good grades" means like 5 or 6 Hs (I heard the floor for Wachtell is 5 Hs). Decent grades give you a good chance at Cravath. Also, don't fixate on Cravath (or firms like it) because it's "prestigious".

Got it, mostly interest in Cravath for the exit opps but I'm not fixated; which is why I want to rank them as low as possible to get them, or in the alternative, request for an interview if I don't get a screener. And unfortunately all firms seem very similar at this stage to me, so name brand/rankings is one of the only criteria I have until I do callbacks. Your advice makes sense though

[Anonymous User]

In case such information is helpful (although I’m not sure it is to be honest): Davis Polk callback via email. (Interviewer GB)

[ConfusedNYer]

Re: yield protection

To the extent there is some yield protection I would not worry about it too much and factor it into your bidding, especially if you're able to convincingly make it seem like you really like the firm. Its probably to ephemeral a thing to really factor in.

Note: this may be less true if you're rocking like 5+ DS's, but if you're in the range 6h/7h range it likely won't factor in or will be too random to predict.

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone heard from Cleary or SC?

[everythingbagel]

I'd be happy to answer questions about New York firms, particularly their litigation departments. I don't check this forum frequently, so I may miss a few or many, but I'll try to answer those that I see. If a question is sensitive or may "out" me or you, it's probably best to send it through the private messaging system here.

Someone wrote above that he or she doesn't know enough about the firms right now to distinguish among them. That's normal. Check out Chambers Associate for an overall sense of each firm; take a look at the firms' websites to see how they view and present themselves; read profiles about the firms in American Lawyer, a good trade magazine that has great profiles about the major firms.

Right now, you don't need to know enough to decide which firm is best for you. You only need to know enough to get you through a few conversations and to demonstrate genuine interest in each one. Once you have offers, you can---and should---go back for so-called "second looks" to get a better feel for the firms that you're seriously considering.

[Anonymous User]

Got a callback offer from Kramer Levin last night via voicemail.

[Anonymous User]

In case such information is helpful (although I’m not sure it is to be honest): Davis Polk callback via email. (Interviewer GB)

Are there more rounds of CBs even for GB? And/or anyone get non GB callbacks?

[Anonymous User]

Got a callback offer from Kramer Levin last night via voicemail.

which interviewer? Anyone else get CBs?

[Anonymous User]

Davis Polk cb received last night, interviewer HB

[Anonymous User]

Got a callback offer from Kramer Levin last night via voicemail.

which interviewer? Anyone else get CBs?

I am the quoted Anon. Interviewed with CA. Haven't received the email yet, but he said I'm supposed to.

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone heard from Cleary or SC?

Yes for Cleary. KB.

[Anonymous User]

Hogan??

[Anonymous User]

No CB at all. Ready to die...

[Anonymous User]

Anyone heard back from W&C/Freshfields/PH?