Chicago - Kirkland or Sidley? Forum

[rahulg91]

Sidley if you're a pussy.

Sidley if you don't want to work with people like this. The culture at Sidley is infinitely better.

LJL. Please don't base such a major decision on "culture" if you're actually deciding between the two just do second looks at both firms. Talk to more attorneys and make your own decision.

[Anonymous User]

Sidley straight up no offered 3 which means probably more got Cold Offered. You may be confident in your abilities but you should know the firm's current management doesn't mind cutting you if you mess up or rub someone the wrong way. Whereas at Kirkland you are completely safe.

No others were cold offered.

Same anon - there is literally no way to know if people were cold offered. It's in everyone's best interest (on both sides) to keep that quiet.

[Anonymous User]

Does one or the other have a broader Corp practice (for example, have heard that KE is almost all private equity)?

Does either have substantially better training or exit options?

[Anonymous User]

Sidley straight up no offered 3 which means probably more got Cold Offered. You may be confident in your abilities but you should know the firm's current management doesn't mind cutting you if you mess up or rub someone the wrong way. Whereas at Kirkland you are completely safe.

No others were cold offered.

1. There's no way you could know this with certainty unless you're at Sidley recruiting (in which case carry on, my apologies).

2. I've heard differently.

I talked to someone who spoke directly with Sidley recruiting.

[Anonymous User]

Sidley straight up no offered 3 which means probably more got Cold Offered. You may be confident in your abilities but you should know the firm's current management doesn't mind cutting you if you mess up or rub someone the wrong way. Whereas at Kirkland you are completely safe.

No others were cold offered.

1. There's no way you could know this with certainty unless you're at Sidley recruiting (in which case carry on, my apologies).

2. I've heard differently.

I talked to someone who spoke directly with Sidley recruiting.

You think recruiters never lie? Cold offers at all firms is more common than people realize. Straight no offers are incredibly rare. If Sidley just wanted to cut 3 people and keep the rest they probably would have Cold Offered them.

[Anonymous User]

Sidley straight up no offered 3 which means probably more got Cold Offered. You may be confident in your abilities but you should know the firm's current management doesn't mind cutting you if you mess up or rub someone the wrong way. Whereas at Kirkland you are completely safe.

No others were cold offered.

1. There's no way you could know this with certainty unless you're at Sidley recruiting (in which case carry on, my apologies).

2. I've heard differently.

I talked to someone who spoke directly with Sidley recruiting.

You think recruiters never lie? Cold offers at all firms is more common than people realize. Straight no offers are incredibly rare. If Sidley just wanted to cut 3 people and keep the rest they probably would have Cold Offered them.

Why don't we all wait to see what NALP says about incoming associates rather than speculate the worst when good sources say the opposite of your speculation.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden Chi. From different firm (other market), but know a couple classmates there. Seems like a good office.

[Rahviveh]

Sidley if you're a pussy.

Sidley if you don't want to work with people like this. The culture at Sidley is infinitely better.

LJL. Please don't base such a major decision on "culture" if you're actually deciding between the two just do second looks at both firms. Talk to more attorneys and make your own decision.

Anyone who thinks culture is a real thing is too bitchmade to work at Kirkland.

[KMart]

Skadden Chi. From different firm (other market), but know a couple classmates there. Seems like a good office.

Did you misread the thread title?

[bearsfan23]

Skadden Chi. From different firm (other market), but know a couple classmates there. Seems like a good office.

Did you misread the thread title?

He's providing solid advice though.

Both Sidley and Kirkland are weirdly cult-like, and the multiple no/cold offers should be a huge red flag for Sidley. If I had to choose between a SA at any of the 3, I would go with Skadden hands down

[YourCaptain]

Skadden Chi. From different firm (other market), but know a couple classmates there. Seems like a good office.

Did you misread the thread title?

He's providing solid advice though.

Both Sidley and Kirkland are weirdly cult-like, and the multiple no/cold offers should be a huge red flag for Sidley. If I had to choose between a SA at any of the 3, I would go with Skadden hands down

the firm with like a 20 year partnership track?

[Anonymous User]

Either firm have more of a reputation for burning out associates? I've heard it about both. Corporate practice area if that helps.

[Anonymous User]

I found both reputations to be overblown, especially for corporate. I would choose based on other factors.

[Anonymous User]

Just do a second look man.

See how support staff are treated, minorities, women, etc... If that's important to you, the answer is obvious.

[Anonymous User]

Just do a second look man.

See how support staff are treated, minorities, women, etc... If that's important to you, the answer is obvious.

Anon from the original question. I will likely end up doing second looks. But my buddy and I both met with 5 attorneys apiece at Kirkland. Neither of us had a woman interviewer, nor recalled seeing any women attorneys during the day. A bit odd.

[Anonymous User]

Just do a second look man.

See how support staff are treated, minorities, women, etc... If that's important to you, the answer is obvious.

Anon from the original question. I will likely end up doing second looks. But my buddy and I both met with 5 attorneys apiece at Kirkland. Neither of us had a woman interviewer, nor recalled seeing any women attorneys during the day. A bit odd.

That's because corporate and private equity in particular are very male dominated bro cultures. Get used to that since that's what your clients will look like.

[Anonymous User]

Just do a second look man.

See how support staff are treated, minorities, women, etc... If that's important to you, the answer is obvious.

Anon from the original question. I will likely end up doing second looks. But my buddy and I both met with 5 attorneys apiece at Kirkland. Neither of us had a woman interviewer, nor recalled seeing any women attorneys during the day. A bit odd.

That's because corporate and private equity in particular are very male dominated bro cultures. Get used to that since that's what your clients will look like.

...not that anon, but "get used to it" isn't really an answer. Went to a different firm that is dominated by similar practices and Kirkland and spoke with multiple women, they have women in leadership roles, etc. "Get used to it" lol. They can't even put on a decent face for recruiting? They can't find one female associate? That's kinda fucked IMO even though the business is heavily male.

And there's a difference between clients and coworkers.