I tend to agree with you here. There are a lot of M&A and corporate lawyers who will never see the inside of a courtroom or do a deposition, but maybe they do that by choice or for the paycheck. One thing is certain, in insurance there will be litigation.lawman84 wrote:Like anything else in this profession, it depends on the firm. There are some great firms where you can make a great living. And there are some terrible firms. With the good/great firms, I think it's one of the best jobs you can find (as a lawyer in private practice) if you enjoy litigation and trials.JCougar wrote:Someone mentioned that you can use this experience to lateral into plaintiffs' PI--which is true. But plaintiffs' PI is probably one step below even ID. There are a handful of people that can make a comfortable living doing this for a relatively small amount of work, but for the most part, it's an overly-saturated field with a lot of TTT-grad-turned-used-car-salesmen attorneys duking it out for $5000 "I slipped in a puddle of pee in the Burger King bathroom and sprained my ankle" type clients who are usually ex-convicts, and you lose your case half the time because you find out your client was totally lying at trial when videotape contradicts their story.
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will the Renege option do anything beyond burning a bridge? any possible unforeseen repercussions that I could face in the future from doing so?
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I don't know why you're hellbent on arguing this. In ID you will work similar hours, earn 20% of the pay and be looked down upon by the majority of the profession and the public who also knows this stuff about ID lawyers. If you've ever been in an accident or have dealt with ID lawyers, a lot of them look homeless because they are as overworked as other attorneys, but don't have the money to eat as well, groom themselves as well or get their clothing dry cleaned. If you love insurance then go do it, but it's not rocket science why it's not the best for many people.kellyfrost wrote:I tend to agree with you here. There are a lot of M&A and corporate lawyers who will never see the inside of a courtroom or do a deposition, but maybe they do that by choice or for the paycheck. One thing is certain, in insurance there will be litigation.lawman84 wrote:Like anything else in this profession, it depends on the firm. There are some great firms where you can make a great living. And there are some terrible firms. With the good/great firms, I think it's one of the best jobs you can find (as a lawyer in private practice) if you enjoy litigation and trials.JCougar wrote:Someone mentioned that you can use this experience to lateral into plaintiffs' PI--which is true. But plaintiffs' PI is probably one step below even ID. There are a handful of people that can make a comfortable living doing this for a relatively small amount of work, but for the most part, it's an overly-saturated field with a lot of TTT-grad-turned-used-car-salesmen attorneys duking it out for $5000 "I slipped in a puddle of pee in the Burger King bathroom and sprained my ankle" type clients who are usually ex-convicts, and you lose your case half the time because you find out your client was totally lying at trial when videotape contradicts their story.
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Yep, can't argue with this eloquently put opinion and all of the empirical evidence supporting it.jrass wrote:I don't know why you're hellbent on arguing this. In ID you will work similar hours, earn 20% of the pay and be looked down upon by the majority of the profession and the public who also knows this stuff about ID lawyers. If you've ever been in an accident or have dealt with ID lawyers, a lot of them look homeless because they are as overworked as other attorneys, but don't have the money to eat as well, groom themselves as well or get their clothing dry cleaned. If you love insurance then go do it, but it's not rocket science why it's not the best for many people.kellyfrost wrote:I tend to agree with you here. There are a lot of M&A and corporate lawyers who will never see the inside of a courtroom or do a deposition, but maybe they do that by choice or for the paycheck. One thing is certain, in insurance there will be litigation.lawman84 wrote:Like anything else in this profession, it depends on the firm. There are some great firms where you can make a great living. And there are some terrible firms. With the good/great firms, I think it's one of the best jobs you can find (as a lawyer in private practice) if you enjoy litigation and trials.JCougar wrote:Someone mentioned that you can use this experience to lateral into plaintiffs' PI--which is true. But plaintiffs' PI is probably one step below even ID. There are a handful of people that can make a comfortable living doing this for a relatively small amount of work, but for the most part, it's an overly-saturated field with a lot of TTT-grad-turned-used-car-salesmen attorneys duking it out for $5000 "I slipped in a puddle of pee in the Burger King bathroom and sprained my ankle" type clients who are usually ex-convicts, and you lose your case half the time because you find out your client was totally lying at trial when videotape contradicts their story.
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Sorry. I should clarify that I was talking about once a person moves over to plaintiff's personal injury work in my post.kellyfrost wrote:I tend to agree with you here. There are a lot of M&A and corporate lawyers who will never see the inside of a courtroom or do a deposition, but maybe they do that by choice or for the paycheck. One thing is certain, in insurance there will be litigation.lawman84 wrote:Like anything else in this profession, it depends on the firm. There are some great firms where you can make a great living. And there are some terrible firms. With the good/great firms, I think it's one of the best jobs you can find (as a lawyer in private practice) if you enjoy litigation and trials.JCougar wrote:Someone mentioned that you can use this experience to lateral into plaintiffs' PI--which is true. But plaintiffs' PI is probably one step below even ID. There are a handful of people that can make a comfortable living doing this for a relatively small amount of work, but for the most part, it's an overly-saturated field with a lot of TTT-grad-turned-used-car-salesmen attorneys duking it out for $5000 "I slipped in a puddle of pee in the Burger King bathroom and sprained my ankle" type clients who are usually ex-convicts, and you lose your case half the time because you find out your client was totally lying at trial when videotape contradicts their story.
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Please tell me med mal defense is considered a step above....
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Med mal defense is getting pretty close to Biglaw, actually.Anonymous User wrote:Please tell me med mal defense is considered a step above....
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How do you mean?JCougar wrote:Med mal defense is getting pretty close to Biglaw, actually.Anonymous User wrote:Please tell me med mal defense is considered a step above....
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Meaning it's not looked down on as much as insurance defense and even probably insurance coverage.victortsoi wrote:How do you mean?JCougar wrote:Med mal defense is getting pretty close to Biglaw, actually.Anonymous User wrote:Please tell me med mal defense is considered a step above....
As an aside, please don't take my reports on how the snobbish, elite legal industry looks at these practice areas as any indication that I support these views. I'm just trying to report the truth. 98% of all associate jobs are semi-mindless paper pushing. It's just that some of this semi-mindless paper pushing will look better on your resume and help you get higher paying paper-pushing jobs in the future.