Any way to use firm's moving expenses in this situation? Forum

[ggocat]

I am pretty sure the only person who approved this plan is the OP. If the school approved, yeah, that's different.

I clearly misread the situation.

OP, your law school is going to say "no."

[lawhopeful10]

Sounds like it's too late to go back now but don't you want to spend your last semester with your friends at school. I'm sure there will be plenty of people you no longer will get to see frequently after this year. I'm going into my second semester of 3L as well and couldn't imagine missing it.

[Anonymous User]

Sounds like it's too late to go back now but don't you want to spend your last semester with your friends at school. I'm sure there will be plenty of people you no longer will get to see frequently after this year. I'm going into my second semester of 3L as well and couldn't imagine missing it.

you're right. yea, it's not nothing, but going I'll be practicing on the other side of the country anyways, just a few months later. idk I guess I just value the experience higher. My closest friends are definitely not my law school friends anyways.

I went directly straight HS -> UG -> work -> LS, with virtually no gaps anywhere in there. About a year ago I realized I really really regret not taking an extra year to spend significant time abroad, and that the period of 3L+bar studying+bar trip would probably be last chance in my entire life to do that, at least until I leave seriously practicing.

It just feels like something I have to do. Not sure I can really explain it any better than that really. Just something deep inside me. Idk.

But... People in this thread made me a little bit scared that this is somehow gonna me in trouble, exactly 180 from my friends IRL who have thought it sounds awesome. I'm only taking 2 classes, and they're doctrinal BS.

Do you guys, dropping the lawyer hats and thinking about your experience in your large t14 schools, actually think this could seriously back fire? I mean, every year people go to Thailand and shit during the middle of the school year during 3L for at least a couple weeks at a time..

[A. Nony Mouse]

I mean, I am absolutely a rule follower, so I just wouldn't be able to bring myself to do what you're doing. So that's why I'm responding this way. To a rule follower it looks basically crazy that you would move to another country while ostensibly attending brick and mortar school in the US. But then I could never be the student who doesn't go to class all semester anyway. You're the one who has to decide if it's worth it, and who also knows your school and whether you can get away with it (I can think of 2 different posters here who actually had profs contact them to find out where they were bc they weren't going to class, for instance, though I don't know the outcome).

(The ABA has attendance requirements, which is why schools care about it sometimes - when my school had an accreditation visit scheduled they got much more picky about profs taking attendance. There's also a sort of an attendance requirement for federal student loans, in that you're only supposed to use them for school and if you never go to class that seems unlikely, although if you pass your classes that should be fine.)

Edit: dude, living in another country for the entire semester is not at all the same as spending a couple of weeks in Thailand during the semester. It's statements Iike that that make you look like you're trolling us. Re: backfiring - the issue is whether anyone would ever find out, not whether it's acceptable. If the school finds out, they're simply not going to approve.

[Nebby]

LJL, OP you're going to get fucked.

[Anonymous User]

Thanks for the honesty. Tbh I didn't even realize this would be such a crazy prospect. Personally I wouldn't freak if a professor emailed me, I'd just book the next flight out and I wouldn't think they'd fail my ass out. Eh. Something to think about.

[A. Nony Mouse]

I had (undergrad) students in the past who never understood why it was the school expected them actually to attend class, but I guess I'm a little surprised someone like that would actually go to law school. (I know lots of law students don't go to class a lot, but they usually get that the school expects them to do so.)

[Rlabo]

Your cavalier attitude is concerning to say the least. This is very simple: is what your doing allowed? No. Will you get caught? Possibly. It really all depends on the classes you sign up for and the professors attitudes towards attendance, which may be vastly different to the school's attitude towards attendance. As far as the school is concerned, absent extenuating circumstances, you are expected to attend class, and they will inform the bar of such. Unless a professor informs them otherwise, the administration is likely to consider you to be attending those classes.

Given that these are "doctrinal classes," they're likely to be smaller and require more attention with the professor. Given that they are pass/fail, on the other hand, the professosr may not care much either, aware that the student is likely to put minimal effort into his grade (further assuming that the class is mandatory pass/fail and not simply elected pass/fail, at which point the professor may be completely unaware that you are taking the class without a letter grade).

This all comes down to the professor. If the prof doesn't care about attendance, you should be fine. If the prof does care about attendance, you could be fucked. If that's a risk you're willing to take then go for it, but it's certainly not a sure thing that nothing wrong will happen, and it's definitely not something I would consider, even though I have nothing close to a perfect attendance record.

[Anonymous User]

Your cavalier attitude is concerning to say the least. This is very simple: is what your doing allowed? No. Will you get caught? Possibly. It really all depends on the classes you sign up for and the professors attitudes towards attendance, which may be vastly different to the school's attitude towards attendance. As far as the school is concerned, absent extenuating circumstances, you are expected to attend class, and they will inform the bar of such. Unless a professor informs them otherwise, the administration is likely to consider you to be attending those classes.

Given that these are "doctrinal classes," they're likely to be smaller and require more attention with the professor. Given that they are pass/fail, on the other hand, the professosr may not care much either, aware that the student is likely to put minimal effort into his grade (further assuming that the class is mandatory pass/fail and not simply elected pass/fail, at which point the professor may be completely unaware that you are taking the class without a letter grade).

This all comes down to the professor. If the prof doesn't care about attendance, you should be fine. If the prof does care about attendance, you could be fucked. If that's a risk you're willing to take then go for it, but it's certainly not a sure thing that nothing wrong will happen, and it's definitely not something I would consider, even though I have nothing close to a perfect attendance record.

Thanks.

It's not like I just decided this on a whim. I arranged so I only have to take 2 classes, and when I say "doctrinal," I meant shit with 80 people in it, corporations, admin, etc. Picking the right profs was definitely something I considered.

In considering to do it I guess my main concern was getting a bad grade by not going, but was pretty confident in pulling out a B with the the use of an outline and skimming all the cases and stuff at the end. Didn't and still having trouble even fathoming that someone would fail you for attendance when the prof has no attendance policy.

Mouse, not sure if that was meant as a dig or genuine.. but to me, school is school. I've probably had around 50% attendance since 10th ish grade through UG and LS, maybe a little higher in 1st semester 1L. I'm paying for a degree assuming I pass your classes if I find your lectures pointless why go? Particularly in LS where the concepts would be easily understood by your average high schooler once boiled down to the actual BLL. Just my rationale and I know you and many others disagree.

[emkay625]

You technically have to attend a certain number of minutes of instructional time or ABA rules prohibit the school issuing a degree to you. So if you get caught, the school is technically required to not let you graduate unless you take classes over the summer or something.

[Nebby]

Calling flame.

[Rlabo]

Your cavalier attitude is concerning to say the least. This is very simple: is what your doing allowed? No. Will you get caught? Possibly. It really all depends on the classes you sign up for and the professors attitudes towards attendance, which may be vastly different to the school's attitude towards attendance. As far as the school is concerned, absent extenuating circumstances, you are expected to attend class, and they will inform the bar of such. Unless a professor informs them otherwise, the administration is likely to consider you to be attending those classes.

Given that these are "doctrinal classes," they're likely to be smaller and require more attention with the professor. Given that they are pass/fail, on the other hand, the professosr may not care much either, aware that the student is likely to put minimal effort into his grade (further assuming that the class is mandatory pass/fail and not simply elected pass/fail, at which point the professor may be completely unaware that you are taking the class without a letter grade).

This all comes down to the professor. If the prof doesn't care about attendance, you should be fine. If the prof does care about attendance, you could be fucked. If that's a risk you're willing to take then go for it, but it's certainly not a sure thing that nothing wrong will happen, and it's definitely not something I would consider, even though I have nothing close to a perfect attendance record.

Thanks.

It's not like I just decided this on a whim. I arranged so I only have to take 2 classes, and when I say "doctrinal," I meant shit with 80 people in it, corporations, admin, etc. Picking the right profs was definitely something I considered.

In considering to do it I guess my main concern was getting a bad grade by not going, but was pretty confident in pulling out a B with the the use of an outline and skimming all the cases and stuff at the end. Didn't and still having trouble even fathoming that someone would fail you for attendance when the prof has no attendance policy.

Mouse, not sure if that was meant as a dig or genuine.. but to me, school is school. I've probably had around 50% attendance since 10th ish grade through UG and LS, maybe a little higher in 1st semester 1L. I'm paying for a degree assuming I pass your classes if I find your lectures pointless why go? Particularly in LS where the concepts would be easily understood by your average high schooler once boiled down to the actual BLL. Just my rationale and I know you and many others disagree.

Listen, it's your life so do with it what you want, but it most certainly feels from the outside, at least to me, that this was decided on a whim.

For example, what if after the first week of not showing up, your prof realizes that you never signed onto a seating chart (which, if by chance you haven't contemplated that yet, make sure you have a friend who will do that for you), or you happened to be cold called and aren't there. Prof sends you an email asking where you were and that you should expect to be cold called the next day. Your in a different country. It's not like you can simply decide to go to class the next day to appease the prof while skipping the rest of his classes. This is only 2 scenarios out any number of things that could potentially go wrong, that you will not be in a position to remedy from Mexico.

And while the specific professor may or may not have a written attendance policy in their syllabus, I can all but guaranty you that the law school you attend does have a written policy. So if you know for a fact that these professor could not care less about attendance, you most certainly could be fine. But you have to ask yourself if that's a risk you're willing to take.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Mouse, not sure if that was meant as a dig or genuine.. but to me, school is school. I've probably had around 50% attendance since 10th ish grade through UG and LS, maybe a little higher in 1st semester 1L. I'm paying for a degree assuming I pass your classes if I find your lectures pointless why go? Particularly in LS where the concepts would be easily understood by your average high schooler once boiled down to the actual BLL. Just my rationale and I know you and many others disagree.

It's not really so much a dig as a description. But it might be worth considering why a school actually goes to the trouble of setting up classes and hiring profs and so on if they don't expect you actually to go. I get that you don't think it's worth it, but the point is that schools don't see it that way (they also don't see it as you paying for a degree, they see it as you're paying for an education and the opportunity to earn a degree, and part of that is that you don't decide what you need to do to get the degree, the profs/school decide what you need to do).

Again, the risk is up to you, and I'm not saying you have to care, it just seems really disingenuous to be surprised that a school would care.

[TheSpanishMain]

I know a dude who spent like two solid months of second semester 1L in Miami just because. I haven't seen him around this year, so maybe he failed/dropped out or something.

[CaptainLeela]

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[Anonymous User]

At Chicago, professors have to contact the administration (which then contacts the student) before they can even warn the student that further absences might lead to a lower grade or being dropped from the class. Quite a few professors don't even bother to report, and I'm almost positive you could get away with this, especially at a bigger school.

[Anonymous User]

I went to a few classes 1 time. As long as the prof doesnt take attendence and doesn't know who you are. It's totally fine.

DF my savior voice of reason.

But really thx to everyone in here. Good to hear from both sides on it.

[RaceJudicata]

Do you even have the syllabus yet? Thinking this is b/s, but if its legit, then this is a bold move.

[Nebby]

I went to a few classes 1 time. As long as the prof doesnt take attendence and doesn't know who you are. It's totally fine.

DF my savior voice of reason.

But really thx to everyone in here. Good to hear from both sides on it.

When DF is your savior:

You're fucked.

[Serett]

This is incredible, please do it and blog about it anonymously.