Did I just blow my chances with a specific law firm for 3L mass mailing by going to office hours? Forum

[fats provolone]

you need to find a way to bankrupt the firm you said you were summering at. then you can say they cancelled the summer program.

[JusticeJackson]

You should double down and put the fake job you didn't have on your resume.

this guy's got the right idea

I forgot the *not legal advice.

[pancakes3]

This is the law school equivalent of a single guy walking up to a gorgeous blonde at the bar and announcing he has a girlfriend.

Then seeing that gorgeous blonde 6 months down the road and announcing that the girlfriend died.

[muskies970]

This is the law school equivalent of a single guy walking up to a gorgeous blonde at the bar and announcing he has a girlfriend.

But that can actually be effective

[Anonymous User]

???

[Anonymous User]

This is the law school equivalent of a single guy walking up to a gorgeous blonde at the bar and announcing he has a girlfriend.

But that can actually be effective

*senior partner texting OP at 2:30 AM offering pay double whatever current firm is paying*

[Thrive]

The better chance would have been to have the partner directly advocating for you, which OP has basically ensured will not happen through this lie.

I've ensured it won't happen this year, but it was never going to happen anyway (he's from a firm where median @ H/C/N has a rocky bet, and I'm unambiguously below median atm).

But how have I messed things up for 3L OCI, when I'd reach out to him and if the issue arises, go with the "April, my dad..."?

It's not even dishonest today to say I need to "look after" my dad. It'll still be true next April, next August, etc.

Am I reading this incorrectly or is the OP already preparing the next lie?

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

^^Accidental anon

[libertttarian]

KJD? You're your own worst enemy dude. Long term you need to get over the kind of insecurity that got you into this mess.

Short term (if it ever comes up, which it might not) just say you reconsidered the offer and didn't like the area upon visiting, didn't like the practice areas, whatever. As long as you have a semi-believable reason, saying it with a straight face and not over explaining your decision will get you through. He'll probably still think you're kinda bullshitting, but he won't attribute it to the outright lie you told him in office hours.

Thanks for this thread.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

The better chance would have been to have the partner directly advocating for you, which OP has basically ensured will not happen through this lie.

I've ensured it won't happen this year, but it was never going to happen anyway (he's from a firm where median @ H/C/N has a rocky bet, and I'm unambiguously below median atm).

But how have I messed things up for 3L OCI, when I'd reach out to him and if the issue arises, go with the "April, my dad..."?

It's not even dishonest today to say I need to "look after" my dad. It'll still be true next April, next August, etc.

Am I reading this incorrectly or is the OP already preparing the next lie?

LOL

*OP in three years desperately explaining to the ethics committee that his statement was literally true*

[muskies970]

In some parallel universe, non-lying OP told the truth about not having a job lined up yet. And said partner helped OP find his dream job.

[grand inquisitor]

*senior partner texting OP at 2:30 AM offering pay double whatever current firm is paying*

*kary perry's "the one that got away" plays in background*

[pleadthafif]

I really hope the senior partner knows a partner in the nonNYC market firm OP lied about and this ends very badly.

[A. Nony Mouse]

It's not even dishonest today to say I need to "look after" my dad. It'll still be true next April, next August, etc.

Wow.

[Anonymous User]

???

[fats provolone]

He asked me in chit chat (like 10mins into chitchat, so there was some rapport + a projection of competence from the semester so far, office hours that day, etc). If I had told the truth, that would've led to a deflating "Oh." And the projection of competence will come crashing down, which might affect how he evaluates his half of the non-anonymously graded papers/whatnot.

this is art.

[Thrive]

Short term (if it ever comes up, which it might not) just say you reconsidered the offer and didn't like the area upon visiting, didn't like the practice areas, whatever. As long as you have a semi-believable reason, saying it with a straight face and not over explaining your decision will get you through. He'll probably still think you're kinda bullshitting, but he won't attribute it to the outright lie you told him in office hours.

I didn't gratuitously tell him "btw, I'm going to a nonNYC firm whose V ranking is much lower than yours," (so nothing like the girlfriend in a bar disanalogy).
He asked me in chit chat (like 10mins into chitchat, so there was some rapport + a projection of competence from the semester so far, office hours that day, etc). If I had told the truth, that would've led to a deflating "Oh." And the projection of competence would've come crashing down, which might affect how he evaluates his half of the non-anonymously graded papers/whatnot.

No one just "reconsiders" an offer and backs out of it into unemployment. But what exactly about telling him in August'16 "April, my dad, had to stay on the East Coast" is less believable than backing out of an offer and straight into unemployment?

It wouldn't be the first time someone who wanted to study/work in London/Tokyo/across the country suddenly had to choose a different college/job to stay near home to "attend to" a family member.

Jesus.

[Anonymous User]

???

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

He asked me in chit chat (like 10mins into chitchat, so there was some rapport + a projection of competence from the semester so far, office hours that day, etc). If I had told the truth, that would've led to a deflating "Oh." And the projection of competence would've come crashing down, which might affect how he evaluates his half of the non-anonymously graded papers/whatnot.

180

"I torpedoed any chance of getting hired by this guy, but at least I projected competence!"

[A. Nony Mouse]

OP, based on your posts here I'm not really convinced you'd pull off the "April, my dad" scenario. You're also catastrophizing the impact of "still looking." You could have just said "still looking, do you have any advice?" and continued the conversation.

I don't think the issue is morality as much as you seem to have a hard time figuring out human conversation. (It's not that you're immoral, it's more that you seem paranoid.)

[JusticeJackson]

FYI, if you don't get your fake summer firm's swag and wear it to class, the partner is going to know you're full of shit. Better hit up ebay bro.

[pleadthafif]

Like I said, I'll take your abuse & moral judgments on telling the truth vs "telling the truth" in another thread.

As of now, the plan is to knock the class out of the park, build rapport etc. Then, next summer, go with "April, my dad" when I reach out re 3L OCI. I guess I'm not seeing how he'd be incredulous at an "April, my dad" explanation.

Dude you're an idiot. Aside from the fact that you'd use your dad's health as an out for your fuck up (which is pretty fucking low by the way), you have insecurities that prevent you from developing a basic understanding of how people communicate/operate in a civilized society. Instead of a job I'd recommend a shrink.

[Thrive]

Like I said, I'll take your abuse & moral judgments on telling the truth vs "telling the truth" in another thread.

As of now, the plan is to knock the class out of the park, build rapport etc. Then, next summer, go with "April, my dad" when I reach out re 3L OCI. I guess I'm not seeing how he'd be incredulous at an "April, my dad" explanation.

Honestly, you're going to strike out at 3L OCI.

That's what people are trying to tell you with the "abuse."

[emkay625]

OP I don't think it would've projected incompetence. He asked, if you had just straight-forwardly said "I don't have anything settled yet" I don't think he would've batted an eye. He may have been asking BECAUSE he wanted to help you.

[JusticeJackson]

Alright, we should lay off the guy. OP: you screwed up, but there's nothing you can do about it now. You should try to do good in the class. And you should apply to the guy's firm next year. If you get caught being an idiot, then I guess you won't get a job there. If you don't get caught, maybe you'll get a job, but honestly probably not because it doesn't sound like you'd hit the firm's cutoffs. In the future try harder not to lie to people. Godspeed.