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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by WhirledWorld » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:15 pm

Anonymous User wrote:This is literally a description of any transactional practice, not even one thing said was unique to m and a.
Things unique to M&A:

* The amount and extent of diligence. Sure, underwriters need confidence and there's some lender-side diligence. But nothing compares to the endless, cavernous diligence of an m&a data room. Supplier contracts, hundreds of leases, financials, and on, and on.

* The lack of drafting opportunities for juniors. Juniors in finance or funds or whatever will be drafting contracts in year one. M&A associates won't even get to do cross reference checks on purchase agreements until a few years in.

* The sheer extent of shit the other side will throw at you because they measure their success entirely by how miserable they make you and your client, and would rather kill the deal than rewrite the best efforts clause as commercially reasonable efforts.

* The sheer volume of dicks you have to suck. It's not just the client's and the bankers' -- it's all the internal lawyers you have to dicksuck into cooperation, not to mention the other side's and the consultants' and accountants and on and on.

* The fact that all your colleagues are contrast collared, spray-tanned, self-important wannabe bankers who think that if they just wear enough hair gel it'll compensate for their inability to do basic math.

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by bjsesq » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:16 pm

I was terrified your response would not include something about sucking dick, but you delivered. tyft

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by DELG » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:35 pm

JusticeJackson wrote:
DELG wrote: yes but lit doesn't suck
Really? I am so tired of dealing with lying douche bags that are constantly puffing up and posturing about their shitty case while filing "gotcha" motions claiming I missed some made up deadline. I am tired of going to court and explaining to a judge that I'm not hiding documents and that the plaintiff's lawyer is a conspiracy theory nutcase that likes to say baseless shit in sanctions motions. I am tired of battling it out with sociopaths to the point where a case consumes my entire life, just to settle the fucking case and realize that the thing I wasted the last year on didn't matter at all to anyone.

I hope to god transactional is better than lit.
it definitely, definitely, definitely is not better.

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:37 pm

5th year M&A associate here. This is pretty spot on. I didn't mind sucking so much dick for the first couple of years but then it really irritated me. So much micromanaging and stupid shit to deal with. Can't wait to go in house. With that said, I wouldn't have joined any other group because M&A gives best in house exit options (at least for my firm). It's been a fucking grind though.

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by DELG » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:40 pm

Anonymous User wrote:5th year M&A associate here. This is pretty spot on. I didn't mind sucking so much dick for the first couple of years but then it really irritated me. So much micromanaging and stupid shit to deal with. Can't wait to go in house. With that said, I wouldn't have joined any other group because M&A gives best in house exit options (at least for my firm). It's been a fucking grind though.
why would you want to be in-house tho

it's the same awful work just packaged a little differently

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:43 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I didn't think anything on TLS could make me laugh harder than this:

"The M&A lawyer's job is to suck dick. Junior associates learn to suck early and often, and if they can control their gag reflex"

Until I read this:

"OK, maybe, provided that this only happens between data room waterboarding and the senior associate's refractory period."

Thank you.
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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I didn't think anything on TLS could make me laugh harder than this:

"The M&A lawyer's job is to suck dick. Junior associates learn to suck early and often, and if they can control their gag reflex"

Until I read this:

"OK, maybe, provided that this only happens between data room waterboarding and the senior associate's refractory period."

Thank you.
What does all this mean about Wachtell, where everything revolves around M&A

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by patogordo » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I didn't think anything on TLS could make me laugh harder than this:

"The M&A lawyer's job is to suck dick. Junior associates learn to suck early and often, and if they can control their gag reflex"

Until I read this:

"OK, maybe, provided that this only happens between data room waterboarding and the senior associate's refractory period."

Thank you.
What does all this mean about Wachtell, where everything revolves around M&A
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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:47 pm

DELG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:5th year M&A associate here. This is pretty spot on. I didn't mind sucking so much dick for the first couple of years but then it really irritated me. So much micromanaging and stupid shit to deal with. Can't wait to go in house. With that said, I wouldn't have joined any other group because M&A gives best in house exit options (at least for my firm). It's been a fucking grind though.
why would you want to be in-house tho

it's the same awful work just packaged a little differently
In house is very different from everything I have heard. Less comma checking. Less dicks to suck (not every partners... Just your chain of command... So at least you can more easily prioritize whose dick to suck first rather than cramming 5 in your mouth. Last and most important, quality of life. Less weekend/night/vacation firedrills that can ruin your semblance of a life. I've billed every fucking vacation I've had, even honeymoon. I answered emails the morning of my wedding while getting ready. Fuck firm life.

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by DELG » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
DELG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:5th year M&A associate here. This is pretty spot on. I didn't mind sucking so much dick for the first couple of years but then it really irritated me. So much micromanaging and stupid shit to deal with. Can't wait to go in house. With that said, I wouldn't have joined any other group because M&A gives best in house exit options (at least for my firm). It's been a fucking grind though.
why would you want to be in-house tho

it's the same awful work just packaged a little differently
In house is very different from everything I have heard. Less comma checking. Less dicks to suck (not every partners... Just your chain of command... So at least you can more easily prioritize whose dick to suck first rather than cramming 5 in your mouth. Last and most important, quality of life. Less weekend/night/vacation firedrills that can ruin your semblance of a life. I've billed every fucking vacation I've had, even honeymoon. I answered emails the morning of my wedding while getting ready. Fuck firm life.
right, packaged differently

i would rather do lit 100 hours a week than trans for 20

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:54 pm

DELG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
DELG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:5th year M&A associate here. This is pretty spot on. I didn't mind sucking so much dick for the first couple of years but then it really irritated me. So much micromanaging and stupid shit to deal with. Can't wait to go in house. With that said, I wouldn't have joined any other group because M&A gives best in house exit options (at least for my firm). It's been a fucking grind though.
why would you want to be in-house tho

it's the same awful work just packaged a little differently
In house is very different from everything I have heard. Less comma checking. Less dicks to suck (not every partners... Just your chain of command... So at least you can more easily prioritize whose dick to suck first rather than cramming 5 in your mouth. Last and most important, quality of life. Less weekend/night/vacation firedrills that can ruin your semblance of a life. I've billed every fucking vacation I've had, even honeymoon. I answered emails the morning of my wedding while getting ready. Fuck firm life.
right, packaged differently

i would rather do lit 100 hours a week than trans for 20
To each their own. No way I could do lit. Day to day aside, you're almost guaranteed to be married to firm life.

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by baal hadad » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:26 pm

DELG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
DELG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:5th year M&A associate here. This is pretty spot on. I didn't mind sucking so much dick for the first couple of years but then it really irritated me. So much micromanaging and stupid shit to deal with. Can't wait to go in house. With that said, I wouldn't have joined any other group because M&A gives best in house exit options (at least for my firm). It's been a fucking grind though.
why would you want to be in-house tho

it's the same awful work just packaged a little differently
In house is very different from everything I have heard. Less comma checking. Less dicks to suck (not every partners... Just your chain of command... So at least you can more easily prioritize whose dick to suck first rather than cramming 5 in your mouth. Last and most important, quality of life. Less weekend/night/vacation firedrills that can ruin your semblance of a life. I've billed every fucking vacation I've had, even honeymoon. I answered emails the morning of my wedding while getting ready. Fuck firm life.
right, packaged differently

i would rather do lit 100 hours a week than trans for 20
Stop being so transphobic

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by Actus Reus » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:42 pm

I've spent 2 weeks arguing over the word promptly with opposing counsel on a contract drafted by the bankers and other lawyers. The business people are completely fed up but my partner won't let me give on this point as it was my one assignment on this deal

Transactional sucks.

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by WhirledWorld » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:23 pm

JusticeJackson wrote:Wait, it's better than lit, right? I'm hoping to god I don't leave lit just to find that all law sucks equally bad.
They all suck, but lit definitely sucks less than corporate. In lit, you don't get 3 am fire-drill phone calls from the partner or client with raging morning wood. Heck, you never really have to suck client dick. That's the beauty of lit: there's really only one dick to suck -- the judge's -- and you're the only one who knows how to do it.

Sure, opposing counsel will always be chomping at the bit to suck dick more often and more enthusiastically than you, since their purpose in life is to make your life terrible. But at least these dick sucking competitions are scheduled by the court rather than by whenever the client decides to pop a Cialis.

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:35 pm

Anonymous User wrote:This is literally a description of any transactional practice, not even one thing said was unique to m and a.
Including Project Finance? I've heard PF is a bit more tolerable than general M&A in regards to hours/QOL, but then again current associates tend to over-exaggerate how great things are in their practice areas during CBs.

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Post by Poopface » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:47 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
DELG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:5th year M&A associate here. This is pretty spot on. I didn't mind sucking so much dick for the first couple of years but then it really irritated me. So much micromanaging and stupid shit to deal with. Can't wait to go in house. With that said, I wouldn't have joined any other group because M&A gives best in house exit options (at least for my firm). It's been a fucking grind though.
why would you want to be in-house tho

it's the same awful work just packaged a little differently
In house is very different from everything I have heard. Less comma checking. Less dicks to suck (not every partners... Just your chain of command... So at least you can more easily prioritize whose dick to suck first rather than cramming 5 in your mouth. Last and most important, quality of life. Less weekend/night/vacation firedrills that can ruin your semblance of a life. I've billed every fucking vacation I've had, even honeymoon. I answered emails the morning of my wedding while getting ready. Fuck firm life.

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by dixiecupdrinking » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:21 pm

WhirledWorld wrote:
JusticeJackson wrote:Wait, it's better than lit, right? I'm hoping to god I don't leave lit just to find that all law sucks equally bad.
They all suck, but lit definitely sucks less than corporate. In lit, you don't get 3 am fire-drill phone calls from the partner or client with raging morning wood. Heck, you never really have to suck client dick. That's the beauty of lit: there's really only one dick to suck -- the judge's -- and you're the only one who knows how to do it.

Sure, opposing counsel will always be chomping at the bit to suck dick more often and more enthusiastically than you, since their purpose in life is to make your life terrible. But at least these dick sucking competitions are scheduled by the court rather than by whenever the client decides to pop a Cialis.
This seems right. For all the bitching about lit, and for all that your client might resent the fact that they have to pay you, at least you're doing something they actually don't know how to do.

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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by KM2016 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:41 pm

DELG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
DELG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:5th year M&A associate here. This is pretty spot on. I didn't mind sucking so much dick for the first couple of years but then it really irritated me. So much micromanaging and stupid shit to deal with. Can't wait to go in house. With that said, I wouldn't have joined any other group because M&A gives best in house exit options (at least for my firm). It's been a fucking grind though.
why would you want to be in-house tho

it's the same awful work just packaged a little differently
In house is very different from everything I have heard. Less comma checking. Less dicks to suck (not every partners... Just your chain of command... So at least you can more easily prioritize whose dick to suck first rather than cramming 5 in your mouth. Last and most important, quality of life. Less weekend/night/vacation firedrills that can ruin your semblance of a life. I've billed every fucking vacation I've had, even honeymoon. I answered emails the morning of my wedding while getting ready. Fuck firm life.
right, packaged differently

i would rather do lit 100 hours a week than trans for 20
We get it, you're a litigator.
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Re: M&A = THE most overrated practice group

Post by patogordo » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:44 pm

^ previous poster anon because he's married to DELG

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Post by dixiecupdrinking » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
DELG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:5th year M&A associate here. This is pretty spot on. I didn't mind sucking so much dick for the first couple of years but then it really irritated me. So much micromanaging and stupid shit to deal with. Can't wait to go in house. With that said, I wouldn't have joined any other group because M&A gives best in house exit options (at least for my firm). It's been a fucking grind though.
why would you want to be in-house tho

it's the same awful work just packaged a little differently
In house is very different from everything I have heard. Less comma checking. Less dicks to suck (not every partners... Just your chain of command... So at least you can more easily prioritize whose dick to suck first rather than cramming 5 in your mouth. Last and most important, quality of life. Less weekend/night/vacation firedrills that can ruin your semblance of a life. I've billed every fucking vacation I've had, even honeymoon. I answered emails the morning of my wedding while getting ready. Fuck firm life.
Why not sack up and tell people you'd be unavailable, full stop, because you're getting married? IME the people who let work be THAT pervasive do it because they enjoy it on some level.

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