DF Thread Forum

[gk101]

Oh and while TLS might occasionally say "Attrition is high, most peple are gone by year 5" it is quite another thing to see it in action. At this point, of the people who interviewed me for my SA, only the partners are still here.

75% of the people I worked with as a Summer are gone.

My firm has 1 associate left with 3-5 years of experience in the IP group out of ~20 people that started here. The attrition is fucking brutal

My IP group has the lowest attrition because the partners are actually great doods. Only attrition we've had in the past 4 years was 2 going to Fed Cir (one came back, one may come back) and one going in house at a major company.

Most of our attrition has been associated with the pros and licensing group. One partner is notorious for churning through associates. The IP lit side is relatively stable but we lost like 3 people in the last few months. one went Fed Cir and the other two moved to smaller firms back in their hometowns.

[Desert Fox]

People who change firms will be gone soon. People wrongly think it's just their firm that sucks.

[Saddle Up]

Still not clear on where the line is that differentiates big law and mid-law.

(I take it that $150K, top 10 market (but not NYC or DC), skyscraper office but with less than 100 attorneys and not on the NLJ 350 is not big law, mainly because ..?) .

[Desert Fox]

Still not clear on where the line is that differentiates big law and mid-law.

(I take it that $150K, top 10 market (but not NYC or DC), skyscraper office but with less than 100 attorneys and not on the NLJ 350 is not big law, mainly because ..?) .

It's probably big law.

[gk101]

Still not clear on where the line is that differentiates big law and mid-law.

(I take it that $150K, top 10 market (but not NYC or DC), skyscraper office but with less than 100 attorneys and not on the NLJ 350 is not big law, mainly because ..?) .

a lot of the problems aren't tied to biglaw exclusively. The combination of billable hours and preftigious partners needing to buy their fourth houses will make your life miserable anywhere

[Saddle Up]

Still not clear on where the line is that differentiates big law and mid-law.

(I take it that $150K, top 10 market (but not NYC or DC), skyscraper office but with less than 100 attorneys and not on the NLJ 350 is not big law, mainly because ..?) .

It's probably big law.

Thanks.

Is there a line that differentiates big law from mid-law?

[Desert Fox]

Still not clear on where the line is that differentiates big law and mid-law.

(I take it that $150K, top 10 market (but not NYC or DC), skyscraper office but with less than 100 attorneys and not on the NLJ 350 is not big law, mainly because ..?) .

It's probably big law.

Thanks.

Is there a line that differentiates big law from mid-law?

Not really.

[DELG]

TLS Hivemind is anti-BL, but it also has no understanding of jobs in any other field. Really, TLS has little-to-no job info about anything other than being a junior associate at a V100 firm.

true. which is one thing that makes these threads so infuriating. Some people have had other jobs and are grateful for BL, even though its hard and taxing. But those people are drowned out.

yeah that's what's going on

all the people who are grateful are drowned out

that sounds very real

[Desert Fox]

TLS Oliver at BIGLAW

[Cogburn87]

TLS Hivemind is anti-BL.

lol. how things have changed in 5 years.

[DELG]

TLS Hivemind is anti-BL.

lol. how things have changed in 5 years.

ehhh TLS was always reasonably exit-options focused.

[TheSpanishMain]

Mods. Do you jobs. This lounge shit is taking over.

MODZ PLEAZ

you are the worst dude. this site has become one note because all the other posters refuse to speak up. Why are people unwilling to admit that this is low quality discussion?
I am in no way advocating a sunny view of biglaw, but this is just not the only way to go about educating people, which this site has done for many people in a much less douchey way.

TLS hivemind is very very ignorant about most things. It's good enough to teach you how to LSAT and how to get into law school. But after that it's not very smart.

You can still see 0Ls, including those with relatively high post counts, saying things like, "If I'm lucky enough to get a big law job..." I think it's just people who have developed the habit of always going for whatever appears the most preftigious brass ring by default.

[Desert Fox]

Until like 6 months ago, the default view of biglaw was "its hard, but you should thank your lucky stars you have it." Well maybe I should because the alternative is that I'm debt pwnd. But it's not worth going to law school for.

Also, people thought that attrition was mostly you getting fired. As far as I can tell, if you aren't a huge turd, you can make it til year 5 no problem. The fact that 80% are gone by then should shock you. Cause that's people volunteering to quit a 250k job.

[DELG]

Until like 6 months ago, the default view of biglaw was "its hard, but you should thank your lucky stars you have it." Well maybe I should because the alternative is that I'm debt pwnd. But it's not worth going to law school for.

Also, people thought that attrition was mostly you getting fired. As far as I can tell, if you aren't a huge turd, you can make it til year 5 no problem. The fact that 80% are gone by then should shock you. Cause that's people volunteering to quit a 250k job.

tbf i think only you thought that 6 months ago, the rest of us had 6 Month Syndrome

[CaptainQuaker]

The few people from my class who are in biglaw have mostly changed firms already (class of 2011, so that's not very long). That's not attrition in the sense of leaving biglaw entirely, but it is attrition for the people left behind.

Why are you allowing Desert Fox to keep trolling the Legal Employment boards? Seriously, wtf mods, put an end to this shit already. People say he is providing valuable knowledge (maybe every 20 posts or so...) but none of it is anything new. These forums have a wealth of information on biglaw. This is just a stupid attempt to be funny/troll/vent/draw attention to himself.

Seriously, there are couple sensible and fair things that could be done here.
1) Move all of these numerous DF threads to the lounge where they belong;
2) Make DF consolidate all of his "valuable" biglaw knowledge into a single thread in the Legal Employment Forums, where he can post his heart away and hopefully answer questions people have.

I'm not trying to come across as a DF hater, I'm merely claiming that his numerous threads are adding very little value and he just keeps on making them...that should belong in the lounge or a single thread, or both.

C'mon mods, there are others of us that would like to see a more efficient TLS where the forums aren't getting clogged with all of these damn threads. He makes a new one as soon as an old one is no longer at the top of the forums list.

[DELG]

The few people from my class who are in biglaw have mostly changed firms already (class of 2011, so that's not very long). That's not attrition in the sense of leaving biglaw entirely, but it is attrition for the people left behind.

Why are you allowing Desert Fox to keep trolling the Legal Employment boards? Seriously, wtf mods, put an end to this shit already. People say he is providing valuable knowledge (maybe every 20 posts or so...) but none of it is anything new. These forums have a wealth of information on biglaw. This is just a stupid attempt to be funny/troll/vent/draw attention to himself.

Seriously, there are couple sensible and fair things that could be done here.
1) Move all of these numerous DF threads to the lounge where they belong;
2) Make DF consolidate all of his "valuable" biglaw knowledge into a single thread in the Legal Employment Forums, where he can post his heart away and hopefully answer questions people have.

I'm not trying to come across as a DF hater, I'm merely claiming that his numerous threads are adding very little value and he just keeps on making them...that should belong in the lounge or a single thread, or both.

C'mon mods, there are others of us that would like to see a more efficient TLS where the forums aren't getting clogged with all of these damn threads. He makes a new one as soon as an old one is no longer at the top of the forums list.

I seriously, seriously don't understand your beef. A better TLS would just... have fewer posts? Would never repeat topics? Maybe you should just buy a book?

[Hutz_and_Goodman]

Desert fox what year are you?

Btw to put the hours in perspective: I has lunch with friend today in finance. His days are 6am-10/11pm Monday-Friday with some weekend work. So he puts in 100+ hour weeks as a matter of course for less than 1st year big law salary (although obv financial upside is higher).

[Anonymous User]

The few people from my class who are in biglaw have mostly changed firms already (class of 2011, so that's not very long). That's not attrition in the sense of leaving biglaw entirely, but it is attrition for the people left behind.

Why are you allowing Desert Fox to keep trolling the Legal Employment boards? Seriously, wtf mods, put an end to this shit already. People say he is providing valuable knowledge (maybe every 20 posts or so...) but none of it is anything new. These forums have a wealth of information on biglaw. This is just a stupid attempt to be funny/troll/vent/draw attention to himself.

Seriously, there are couple sensible and fair things that could be done here.
1) Move all of these numerous DF threads to the lounge where they belong;
2) Make DF consolidate all of his "valuable" biglaw knowledge into a single thread in the Legal Employment Forums, where he can post his heart away and hopefully answer questions people have.

I'm not trying to come across as a DF hater, I'm merely claiming that his numerous threads are adding very little value and he just keeps on making them...that should belong in the lounge or a single thread, or both.

C'mon mods, there are others of us that would like to see a more efficient TLS where the forums aren't getting clogged with all of these damn threads. He makes a new one as soon as an old one is no longer at the top of the forums list.

DF threads have convinced me today to start applying for non-lwa positions & drop out after this semester. I don't want to be in his position.

[Desert Fox]

Until like 6 months ago, the default view of biglaw was "its hard, but you should thank your lucky stars you have it." Well maybe I should because the alternative is that I'm debt pwnd. But it's not worth going to law school for.

Also, people thought that attrition was mostly you getting fired. As far as I can tell, if you aren't a huge turd, you can make it til year 5 no problem. The fact that 80% are gone by then should shock you. Cause that's people volunteering to quit a 250k job.

tbf i think only you thought that 6 months ago, the rest of us had 6 Month Syndrome

You guys may have realized it first, but common wisdom hadn't really changed on TLS.

[DELG]

Desert fox what year are you?

Btw to put the hours in perspective: I has lunch with friend today in finance. His days are 6am-10/11pm Monday-Friday with some weekend work. So he puts in 100+ hour weeks as a matter of course for less than 1st year big law salary (although obv financial upside is higher).

I have a friend who literally gives homeless men rim jobs for a living. from 6:30 a.m. until 4 a.m., 6 days a week (observes the Sabbath). Just to put it in perspective.

[patogordo]

i don't get it. why doesn't she just save up enough heroin to kill herself?

[Desert Fox]

Desert fox what year are you?

Btw to put the hours in perspective: I has lunch with friend today in finance. His days are 6am-10/11pm Monday-Friday with some weekend work. So he puts in 100+ hour weeks as a matter of course for less than 1st year big law salary (although obv financial upside is higher).

First year.

So what, he is dumber than me then. And he probably doesn't have much debt either, so he can easily quit.

Even plantation slaves only worked from sun up to sundown. And they got sundays off.

[nsideirish]

I just with drew my SA acceptance and am pursing alternative legal career paths. Thanks DF!

[Desert Fox]

I just with drew my SA acceptance and am pursing alternative legal career paths. Thanks DF!

I assumed you were a second year bro at Chi biglaw and was jelly of ur chicago living ability.

[Desert Fox]

NO, the employment forum must be littered with threads bragging about their offers at each of 99/100 Vault firms.

Though at least each employment one doesn't start with, "LETS TALK MORRISON AND FORESTER." Looking at you clerkhags.